Accepting that you cannot use poly strings

Happi said:
Try Velocity mains and MF in the crosses, with MF strung lower than Velocity. This is better than FB Velocity.
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Sounds kinda like the worst of both world with how quickly the crosses of the MF frayed and broke.
Or do the crosses last longer for you that way?

Anyway, I've 5-10 other multis to try in a full bed before I start experimenting with hybrids between multis.
 
veelium said:
Sounds kinda like the worst of both world with how quickly the crosses of the MF frayed and broke.
Or do the crosses last longer for you that way?

Anyway, I've 5-10 other multis to try in a full bed before I start experimenting with hybrids between multis.
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Yes that is the problem with fraying, but until that happens it is quite good.

Favorite hybrid at this moment RIP Control / MF Black, its like Head intellitour just better, seems like RIP and MF likes each other.
Favorite full bed multi is X-One look no further, I have tried most other multies. Still need to test Triax and HDMX, and I have high hopes for these.

X-One was voted best non poly string for like 10 years in a row at stringforum.net
 
Happi said:
Yes that is the problem with fraying, but until that happens it is quite good.
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Yeah but what's the advantage over just going full bed multifeel?

Happi said:
Favorite hybrid at this moment RIP Control / MF Black, its like Head intellitour just better, seems like RIP and MF likes each other.
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That sounds like a good combo yeah.

Happi said:
Favorite full bed multi is X-One look no further, I have tried most other multies. Still need to test Triax and HDMX, and I have high hopes for these.

X-One was voted best non poly string for like 10 years in a row at stringforum.net
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When I tried X-One (in a full bed) years back it was too powerful and broke very quickly. Not much spin either and extremely expensive.
More of a hybrid multi for me.
 
veelium said:
Yeah but what's the advantage over just going full bed multifeel?
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Its softer and lower in power.
veelium said:
That sounds like a good combo yeah.


When I tried X-One (in a full bed) years back it was too powerful and broke very quickly. Not much spin either and extremely expensive.
More of a hybrid multi for me.
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Yes I also play X-One in hybrid with MF or Isospeed
 
I just picked up some multi-filament strings. I am finally going to try to leave poly as I imes getting resorted to hitting 20 gauge hyperg and started having arm problems again. I strung my poly at 40lbs. What would you recommend that I string this multifilament at? It's going to take a while to get used to it as I was hitting with some synthetic gut strung at 48lbs and was having hard tthe ball in bounds at times due to lack of spin.
 
I can use poly string without any arm problems but don’t like the power level. Everyone claims poly is low powered and better for control but that’s not what I’ve found. I have played with poly a lot over the years and can play okay but as soon as I string up a multi I find much better depth control. Also is much easier to serve with for me, I think multi’s have more of a restricted flight and a lower trajectory than poly.
 
xaeniac said:
I just picked up some multi-filament strings. I am finally going to try to leave poly as I imes getting resorted to hitting 20 gauge hyperg and started having arm problems again. I strung my poly at 40lbs. What would you recommend that I string this multifilament at? It's going to take a while to get used to it as I was hitting with some synthetic gut strung at 48lbs and was having hard tthe ball in bounds at times due to lack of spin.
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What multi, what gauge?
 
veelium said:
Sounds kinda like the worst of both world with how quickly the crosses of the MF frayed and broke.
Or do the crosses last longer for you that way?

Anyway, I've 5-10 other multis to try in a full bed before I start experimenting with hybrids between multis.
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Velocity/MF hybrid didn't increase durability or play as well for me personally as full bed of MF. I also was only getting 3-4 hours out of MF 1.30 but as it was the most poly-like multi I could find, I ended up putting in string savers and that gets me to 6-8 hours before they snap.

And you're not alone on the crosses snapping first. Last night I broke two mains and one cross on the same shot as there wasn't much string left with all the fraying.

Will be curious to see if you find anything full bed multi that you like better than MF 1.30 Black. FWIW, I'm playing it in 2023 VCore 95.
 
So I strung the Head Velocity in my Prince ATS 100P at 50lbs. I cut out all of my poly. I understand that synthetic gut is harder on the arm than multifilament. What about Prince Lighting Pro 17 ( i have some sitting around here) and wondering about the ease on the arm? What are the differences in play between multi and synthetic gut?
 
Happi said:
Try Velocity mains and MF in the crosses, with MF strung lower than Velocity. This is better than FB Velocity.
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Have you tried MF Black mains and Velocity nat crosses? Lasts surprisingly well. MF starts to fray after a couple of hours, but the stringbed is still very playable with virtually no string movement. I will try the other way around next time. I have Triax m / Veloc. c to check out also...
 
I played a match with the Head Velocity strings in the black color. I really like them. I did not have as much arm pain and think this is the solution going forward. I'm going to have to dial in my serve with these strings, but I enjoyed the way they played.
 
KungfuTennis said:
I'm trying to say poly strung really really low can be extremely comfortable and easy to use. If you like poly but "cant use poly" it can still be viable at low low tension.
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I am afraid that low tension poly also hurts my arm, its has nothing to do with tension its the material IMO, even tried hybriding poly/multi poly/syn gut and poly/gut and still have to abandon the poly ship.

When that is said, I am extremly happy for my multi setup.

We have some new machines in my club that can meassure on court, and I training / test sessions I have not been able to see any kind of numbers that indicate that I have some advantage with poly. That includes control and consistency statistic. However our system does not meassure RPM yet but only speed, I do get a little advantage with multi without loosing in the control department.

Its all in my mind, that I think I play better with poly, cant see anything on the numbers or matchresult.

But my arm loves me, and all my armproblems when testing the poly/multi hybrid went away when going full multi.

I guess I am unlucky to not be able to play poly strings, but this new machine has calmed my mind as it actually seems by the numbers I play with more power and consistency with FB multi.
 
Knife said:
Have you tried MF Black mains and Velocity nat crosses? Lasts surprisingly well. MF starts to fray after a couple of hours, but the stringbed is still very playable with virtually no string movement. I will try the other way around next time. I have Triax m / Veloc. c to check out also...
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I remember that when testing I made 2 racquets vel/mf and mf/vel and I prefered vel/mf, cant really remember why. I should test again now that I found my prefered tension as I have a reel of both, and velocity is just sitting there not getting used. Let us know what you prefer when you get around to try both combos.
 
BPlain said:
Velocity/MF hybrid didn't increase durability or play as well for me personally as full bed of MF. I also was only getting 3-4 hours out of MF 1.30 but as it was the most poly-like multi I could find, I ended up putting in string savers and that gets me to 6-8 hours before they snap.

And you're not alone on the crosses snapping first. Last night I broke two mains and one cross on the same shot as there wasn't much string left with all the fraying.

Will be curious to see if you find anything full bed multi that you like better than MF 1.30 Black. FWIW, I'm playing it in 2023 VCore 95.
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What string savers would you recommend? I have never tried them but I'm curious.
6-8 hours is decent enough imo.

xaeniac said:
So I strung the Head Velocity in my Prince ATS 100P at 50lbs. I cut out all of my poly. I understand that synthetic gut is harder on the arm than multifilament. What about Prince Lighting Pro 17 ( i have some sitting around here) and wondering about the ease on the arm? What are the differences in play between multi and synthetic gut?
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The average syn gut is maybe harder on the arm than your average multifilament but there's a lot of variance in multis and syn guts range from softer to harder as well.
Lightning pro is supposed to very comfortable iirc but I have never tried it.
 
KungfuTennis said:
I'm trying to say poly strung really really low can be extremely comfortable and easy to use. If you like poly but "cant use poly" it can still be viable at low low tension.
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I don't generally disagree but this has been discussed often enough already in here and is not the case for a number of people, hence this thread. Read through it if it interests you but if you wanna discuss poly go somewhere else.
 
xaeniac said:
I played a match with the Head Velocity strings in the black color. I really like them. I did not have as much arm pain and think this is the solution going forward. I'm going to have to dial in my serve with these strings, but I enjoyed the way they played.
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Nice, what tension did you go with?
 
veelium said:
I don't generally disagree but this has been discussed often enough already in here and is not the case for a number of people, hence this thread. Read through it if it interests you but if you wanna discuss poly go somewhere else.
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I'm willing to bet that over 80% of posters in this thread have not tried poly under 25lbs. I'm simply proposing a possible solution, OP literally said "Ive tried quite a few multis but none of them give me the confidence of poly." This is a solution that he may not have tried. I'm not going anywhere else, this conversation belongs here IMO
 
KungfuTennis said:
I'm willing to bet that over 80% of posters in this thread have not tried poly under 25lbs. I'm simply proposing a possible solution, OP literally said "Ive tried quite a few multis but none of them give me the confidence of poly." This is a solution that he may not have tried. I'm not going anywhere else, this conversation belongs here IMO
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This conversation has already been had, read the bloody thread...
 
xaeniac said:
So I strung the Head Velocity in my Prince ATS 100P at 50lbs. I cut out all of my poly. I understand that synthetic gut is harder on the arm than multifilament. What about Prince Lighting Pro 17 ( i have some sitting around here) and wondering about the ease on the arm? What are the differences in play between multi and synthetic gut?
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some context: I have a rather unorthodox hybrid in my 95" 18x20 old school Radical MP: Gosen OGSM natural 17 55 (which I have a reel of to save money) x Velocity 17 blue 53. Coming from Hawk Touch 17 anthracite 52 x Gosen OGSM natural 57. no arm pain with poly.

the poly hybrid before losing tension felt controlled and precise. I could hit anything with relative confidence and know it'd stay in. but, the hybrid didn't help with pocketing or put away power. it's not that I couldn't do it, but I'd have to be really dialed in to get the shot I wanted with the pace I wanted on passing shots.

got this multi hybrid thinking synthetic gut is a firm and solid core string and the Velocity would provide pocketing and more easily accessible power while being relatively low powered. I wouldn't say it's done that, it feels a little more trampoline-y than I'd like. but I'm also leery of developing TE when it's such an avoidable thing when it comes to controlling what I can control with equipment. before these hybrids I was playing with full OGSM 17 natural
 
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veelium said:
What string savers would you recommend? I have never tried them but I'm curious.
6-8 hours is decent enough imo.


The average syn gut is maybe harder on the arm than your average multifilament but there's a lot of variance in multis and syn guts range from softer to harder as well.
Lightning pro is supposed to very comfortable iirc but I have never tried it.
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I tried the Babalot ones originally but found they were falling out too easily when playing. I like the Tourna Cross ones now and they are cheaper too.
 
KungfuTennis said:
I'm willing to bet that over 80% of posters in this thread have not tried poly under 25lbs. I'm simply proposing a possible solution, OP literally said "Ive tried quite a few multis but none of them give me the confidence of poly." This is a solution that he may not have tried. I'm not going anywhere else, this conversation belongs here IMO
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I'm the OP. I've been having shoulder tendonitis for what feels like years at this point. It's much better these days, but the last thing I want to do is aggravate the injury again.

Although I haven't used poly under 25lbs, I did string up a racket at 35lbs (thin and soft poly) and my shoulder was very painful for weeks afterwards.

I recently played about 5 league matches with a Clash 98 v1 and Volkl cyclone tour. This has been the only poly setup that hasn't destroyed my shoulder. However, I could sense some stiffness in my shoulder the morning after a match that would go away by the end of the day.

I can get about 5 matches out of a multi before it breaks, and I don't mind the performance after using them for about 15 months.

I'm probably not going to try any poly again until next summer.
 
@TBM Have you looked at the newish Babolat Xalt?

TBM said:
I'm the OP. I've been having shoulder tendonitis for what feels like years at this point. It's much better these days, but the last thing I want to do is aggravate the injury again.

Although I haven't used poly under 25lbs, I did string up a racket at 35lbs (thin and soft poly) and my shoulder was very painful for weeks afterwards.

I recently played about 5 league matches with a Clash 98 v1 and Volkl cyclone tour. This has been the only poly setup that hasn't destroyed my shoulder. However, I could sense some stiffness in my shoulder the morning after a match that would go away by the end of the day.

I can get about 5 matches out of a multi before it breaks, and I don't mind the performance after using them for about 15 months.

I'm probably not going to try any poly again until next summer.
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So final thoughts on velocity black.

It's really not for me. Too muted, not as soft as rip control (imo), less spin than rip control or multifeel or triax or origin.
Flat shots are good, you can control decently well the depth but where you hit it on the string bed is always a bit of a mystery.
I just didn't have control/confidence on my (more wristier) forehand, felt weird.

Durability is very good though held twice as long as multifeel and a bit more than rip control.
Unlike those though, the last (extra) few hours weren't pleasant to play with. Once it notched enough, spin was worse and it felt less soft.
Tension held well enough I'd say.

Good value for the price if you like it. How people are saying that this has good spin potential for a multi is beyond me though.
 
@Automatix I have strung up Hy-O Sheep at 20/19.5kg and played 2 hours with it today.
Quite a nice string, gotta say. It's somewhat muted but not as much as velocity and the strings haven't moved much out of place after 2 hours.
The power to spin ratio is ok, I think the thick gauge and low tension work well together to produce decent spin and control.
Overall very positively surprised by this string, just fun to play with. Thx @Automatix
 
veelium said:
So final thoughts on velocity black.

It's really not for me. Too muted, not as soft as rip control (imo), less spin than rip control or multifeel or triax or origin.
Flat shots are good, you can control decently well the depth but where you hit it on the string bed is always a bit of a mystery.
I just didn't have control/confidence on my (more wristier) forehand, felt weird.

Durability is very good though held twice as long as multifeel and a bit more than rip control.
Unlike those though, the last (extra) few hours weren't pleasant to play with. Once it notched enough, spin was worse and it felt less soft.
Tension held well enough I'd say.

Good value for the price if you like it. How people are saying that this has good spin potential for a multi is beyond me though.
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I dont know if it's just me, but Velocity MLT black plays stiffer than the natural colour and it locks up much quicker. It's worth trying the natural colour before writing MLT off completely. It does have a muted feel though that took me a very long time to get used to.
 
veelium said:
@Automatix I have strung up Hy-O Sheep at 20/19.5kg and played 2 hours with it today.
Quite a nice string, gotta say. It's somewhat muted but not as much as velocity and the strings haven't moved much out of place after 2 hours.
The power to spin ratio is ok, I think the thick gauge and low tension work well together to produce decent spin and control.
Overall very positively surprised by this string, just fun to play with. Thx @Automatix
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Glad to hear! As you know the thicker gauge of a very similar string are what I use in the mains.
Looking forward to see how long will they last for you. :)
 
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TBM said:
I'm the OP. I've been having shoulder tendonitis for what feels like years at this point. It's much better these days, but the last thing I want to do is aggravate the injury again.

Although I haven't used poly under 25lbs, I did string up a racket at 35lbs (thin and soft poly) and my shoulder was very painful for weeks afterwards.

I recently played about 5 league matches with a Clash 98 v1 and Volkl cyclone tour. This has been the only poly setup that hasn't destroyed my shoulder. However, I could sense some stiffness in my shoulder the morning after a match that would go away by the end of the day.

I can get about 5 matches out of a multi before it breaks, and I don't mind the performance after using them for about 15 months.

I'm probably not going to try any poly again until next summer.
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That's fair, glad Premier Control is working for you, its a great string!
 
veelium said:
So final thoughts on velocity black.

It's really not for me. Too muted, not as soft as rip control (imo), less spin than rip control or multifeel or triax or origin.
Flat shots are good, you can control decently well the depth but where you hit it on the string bed is always a bit of a mystery.
I just didn't have control/confidence on my (more wristier) forehand, felt weird.

Durability is very good though held twice as long as multifeel and a bit more than rip control.
Unlike those though, the last (extra) few hours weren't pleasant to play with. Once it notched enough, spin was worse and it felt less soft.
Tension held well enough I'd say.

Good value for the price if you like it. How people are saying that this has good spin potential for a multi is beyond me though.
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Velocity full bed is nothing special but it excels with poly crosses, especially with Cream. Then you really start to get poly-like bite and control. Note, I only know Velocity natural colour.
 
TimePlease said:
Velocity full bed is nothing special but it excels with poly crosses, especially with Cream. Then you really start to get poly-like bite and control. Note, I only know Velocity natural colour.
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I've still yet to try this. I think I might go for V mains and MSV swift crosses in the future.
 
TimePlease said:
Velocity full bed is nothing special but it excels with poly crosses, especially with Cream. Then you really start to get poly-like bite and control. Note, I only know Velocity natural colour.
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That makes sense, I've tried it like that in a friends racquet and that seemed quite alright.
 
Anyone with experience could compare Triax to Luxilon Element?
Both are supposedly multi/mono combinations and since I love Triax I'm curious about Element now.
 
If you like Technifibre, I personally prefer NRG2 over X1 Biphase. But, Laserfiber 1200 is probably my favorite multi. I've only used the 16g. Others I've use a TF Multifeel, Gamma Professional, Wilson Sensation and NXT, Head RIP Control, Alpha Sphere and Protoge. Alpha Sphere is nice too. It feels different than the others. When it leaves your racket, it feels as though you've hit 3 or 4 feet further than you meant too, but then it lands where you were aiming (odd feel, but played nice).
 
veelium said:
Anyone with experience could compare Triax to Luxilon Element?
Both are supposedly multi/mono combinations and since I love Triax I'm curious about Element now.
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2 very different strings. Element is a co-poly, soft for a poly but still stiff compared to Triax.
 
Happi said:
2 very different strings. Element is a co-poly, soft for a poly but still stiff compared to Triax.
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According to description element is not a pure copoly but some kind of multi/mono construction. Just not sure what that construction but some polyamide fibers in there supposedly.
 
veelium said:
According to description element is not a pure copoly but some kind of multi/mono construction. Just not sure what that construction but some polyamide fibers in there supposedly.
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Dont know about the discription, I tried Element and to me its a monofilament co-poly, closest in feel is Cyber Flash. There is a new element soft out there, that might be a different story. The one I am refering to is this one

Luxilon Element 16L/1.25 String | Tennis Warehouse

www.tennis-warehouse.com www.tennis-warehouse.com
 
I am enough satisfied with full bed triax for a while. But I develop pain in my wrist recently.
Does anyone tried Yonex Rexis Comfort? I'm curious if it has enough spin as Triax.
 
siL said:
I am enough satisfied with full bed triax for a while. But I develop pain in my wrist recently.
Does anyone tried Yonex Rexis Comfort? I'm curious if it has enough spin as Triax.
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I doubt it will have as much spin as triax. You could try multifeel, that isn't too far off in terms of spin imo.
 
@siL - Rexis Comfort is not quite as spinny as Triax. I would give TF HDMX a try instead, which will be more similar in behavior, but a bit less harsh at impact than Triax.
 
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