Accepting that you cannot use poly strings
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I agree. Triax requires also a break in period (around an hour or so) and is a bit stiffer.
Automatix
Legend
Hey mate!
These strings have nothing in common construction wise.
Triax consists of separate filament bundles twisted around the center and immersed in a PU resin.
Element consists of simultaneously extruded filaments going straight in a polymer matrix. Construction wise Element is closer to Toalson Rencon.
Element isn't far away from its predecessor Luxilon M2 Plus (picture below).
Thx! That's a perfect explanation. Almost the opposite in a way.Hey mate!
These strings have nothing in common construction wise.
Triax consists of separate filament bundles twisted around the center and immersed in a PU resin.
Element consists of simultaneously extruded filaments going straight in a polymer matrix. Construction wise Element is closer to Toalson Rencon.
Element isn't far away from its predecessor Luxilon M2 Plus (picture below).
Black friday is around the corner...Come on guys, I don't wanna buy a reel of hdmx as well
HDMX all the way...By the way just buy a few sets
Take this with a grain of salt but I did kind of test to see how different set ups played for me against my friend (4.0 all court guy). I won all 3 times (it’s pretty even normally)
1) Gravity tour- vs touch 55lbs/ ghostwire 50 lbs- probably the heaviest shots (tougher to return, penetrates thru the court, pushes the opponent back). Also requires proper mechanics- balls can sail on poor technique. This is my usual set up.
2) gravity tour - volkl cyclone 17g @ 46/44 lbs. strings were fresh.
best control. I could really swing out and feel that the ball would stay in. Even on a few mishits that would have sailed with my gut/poly, I noticed the ball managed to stay in. I could play a little more aggressively with this and go for angles a little better. I felt my 1st serve speed go down a bit though. Felt my tendonitis flare up after
3) Vcore 100- velocity @50 lbs.
strings were broken in a little.
Surprisingly easy to play with. Control was similar to cyclone for me- the ball still penetrated the court but didn’t pop up as much as the other setups. Sometimes this made it harder to return. I could still hit flat or with spin. There was enough spin (maybe because of the racquet) where I still felt like it was playable. Kick/slice serves for me felt easier to generate spin. Flat serves seemed little faster as well.
Now for the most important question- what did my opponent think?
He did not feel that any particular setup gave me an advantage despite how I felt about how the differences. The only thing he commented on was the serves had more pace with the Vcore/velocity setup.
Again- this is anecdotal, but for me at my level (4.0) with my technique/style, the different setups didn’t yield any significantly different results against the guys I normally play (3.5, 4.0, 4.5). That being said, I did adjust and play slightly different based on what I was using.
Results may vary for others of course- but just wanted to share.
Hi Happi, What do you string this hybrid at ? I've been using MF/Velocity in a Fischer Pro No 1 - superb depth control but not as much spin as other set ups. I used to use RIP full bed and might try your set up.
X-1/Velocity hybrid strung in mid 40 lbs range if your arm hurts. Low tension poly can be comfortable but still wont be comfortable enough if you suffer arm pain simply because the impact shock still gets transmitted when you hit the ball. If your arm hurts, just take a break for a few weeks, let your arm heal and the inflammation in the tendons/ligaments to go down while also doing simple stretch/strengthening. Enjoy pain? Then by all means, keep playing.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Hi Jimb, I string RIP @ 23 kg and MF black @ 20 kg I like low tension and this is a very comftable setup. Tension and string choice is very personal, so I would suggest you string at your normal RIP tension and the MF 1-2 kg lower. Snapback is poly like. If you try it, let us know what you think.
Much obliged- will give it a try and report back.
TennisViking
Semi-Pro
How low in tension can one go with multifilament strings? I haven't experimented yet as I seem to always use approx 24-25 kg (53 - 55 pounds) for the ones I have tried. X-One, NRG2 and IsoSpeed Professional Control (1.30). I am tempted to try 23 kg in my Ezone 100 but a bit afraid it will result in loss of control.
Many of you great people on the forum probably use racquets with smaller head sizes. I would guess that in a 98 size control racquet it is better to loosen the tension a bit. I have read somewhere that multifilament strings don't perform well in tensions under 22 kg (48,50 pounds)......Any truth to this?
For sure Velocity MLT and some multi strings need lower tension than X-One and similar strings. Anyway, any comments about your experiences would be great to hear.
Many of you great people on the forum probably use racquets with smaller head sizes. I would guess that in a 98 size control racquet it is better to loosen the tension a bit. I have read somewhere that multifilament strings don't perform well in tensions under 22 kg (48,50 pounds)......Any truth to this?
For sure Velocity MLT and some multi strings need lower tension than X-One and similar strings. Anyway, any comments about your experiences would be great to hear.
It really depends on how much spin you hit with. I've gone as low as 48lbs with Head velocity MLT and had no issues as I use a full western grip and hit a lot of topspin.
I started stringing up my rackets at 55lbs and quickly realised that it wasn't necessary to go so tight. If I get a new racket I usually string it up with a multi at 52lbs and adjust from there.
You really need to just try it out for yourself, as strings and tension are so personal.
Happi
Hall of Fame
You can go lower than you think, I string for this great player 60+ (Several times National Champ) with beautiful strokes, he plays natural gut mains @ 18kg and Isospeed professional Classic @19kg in the crosses, this is in a Prince Phantom 100. So it is possible to control powerful strings at lower tension.
I prefer this setup at 22kg / 23kg. A favorite hybrid for me is X-One @22kg / Multifeel Black @19 kg, so also relative low tension.
This is so true.
My main stick is a 93 (16x19) atm so I've been trying 20 or lower. Under 20 it gets too launchy for me in that racquet.
Ezone 100 is so open though and powerful, not sure how great it would be with low tensions.
But in the end, what he said .
TennisViking
Semi-Pro
Good to hear that multi seem to work in lower tension as well. I’ll need to give it a try.
I am looking for added comfort. I do play best with tweener frames, Ezone 100 and other similar ones. I need the ease of play and effortless power (troublesome knee) but the comfort is an issue. Every time I buy a more demanding (softer) frame I end up selling it as I don’t play as good with them.
I used to play with a Volkl Vsense V1 Pro and that was perfect when I had a healthy knee and I was slightly younger. Really loved that racquet.
Thanks again for the inputs.
I am looking for added comfort. I do play best with tweener frames, Ezone 100 and other similar ones. I need the ease of play and effortless power (troublesome knee) but the comfort is an issue. Every time I buy a more demanding (softer) frame I end up selling it as I don’t play as good with them.
I used to play with a Volkl Vsense V1 Pro and that was perfect when I had a healthy knee and I was slightly younger. Really loved that racquet.
Thanks again for the inputs.
For my lesson on Monday I took back my nice TF40 16x19 305. It was strung with a brand new shiny black string and I couldn't remember which one it was, cause I strung it a long time ago...
I though.. damn a sleek black poly I will struggle...
Damn I found the feel awesome and while I was playing I noticed the strings were a bit out of place... it was not a poly. And it was d*** powerful!!
I remembered it was Solinco X Natural shaped multi. This string is really awesome. Very spin friendly and powerful, and it complements a low powered control frame like the TF40 very well
I suspect durability is not extremely good but I string my frames and like it so I don't care.
Will definitely try the 1.30 gauge (this one was the 1.20)
Just mention this one as in like 30 pages of multi discussion I don't think it has been mentionned a lot.
Worth a try given the attractive price point.
I though.. damn a sleek black poly I will struggle...
Damn I found the feel awesome and while I was playing I noticed the strings were a bit out of place... it was not a poly. And it was d*** powerful!!
I remembered it was Solinco X Natural shaped multi. This string is really awesome. Very spin friendly and powerful, and it complements a low powered control frame like the TF40 very well
I suspect durability is not extremely good but I string my frames and like it so I don't care.
Will definitely try the 1.30 gauge (this one was the 1.20)
Just mention this one as in like 30 pages of multi discussion I don't think it has been mentionned a lot.
Worth a try given the attractive price point.
Automatix
Legend
It's still in my frame. I have played with some other string setups as well and not much play time lately due.
I'd say I clocked around 6 hours with it and guessing from the notching, it would break around the 10 hour mark.
Potentially gonna cut it out as it has gotten a bit too powerful. A kilo more would have been good for the tension.
Automatix
Legend
10hrs with 1.30mm isn't bad. One of the reasons I go with 1.40mm.
Anything to add on spin, playability and so on? Just want to pick your brain since we're probably the only TT members who've used this string.
Yeah durability is good imo, can't complain there.10hrs with 1.30mm isn't bad. One of the reasons I go with 1.40mm.
Anything to add on spin, playability and so on? Just want to pick your brain since we're probably the only TT members who've used this string.
Quick review:
- Spin: Nothing outstanding there, kinda what you would expect from a soft synthetic.
- Power: Decent power, ball doesn't unexpectely launch but of course not the control of a stiff poly.
- Comfort: Very good. Tbf I had it strung very low.
So overall it's a nice soft synthetic gut/multi string without any negative or positive stand out features beside the nice comfort.
Could be nice in a hybrid to get some extra spin. It just doesn't have enough spin potential for me as most full beds of multi.
Great string overall, especially for the price.
Knife
Professional
My latest string setup has been M Triax 17 with C Velocity 16. It plays so well, good spin, feel, power and no strings moving around. There is a downside however, Triax is not elbow safe I have noticed. My arm has become sore lately and I'm convinced it's because of the poly-infused Triax, sadly because I like how it performs. So back to the Multifeel black / Velocity hybrid for now...
Yeah sadly the comfort of triax is also 50% poly. It plays so great though...
For those looking for a non-poly Triax/RPX/HDMX alternative, I would give Volkl Power Fiber Pro a try -- pretty low-powered and controlled, it's like a cross between PPC and Velocity. It plays a bit softer than Triax, more akin to HDMX, but a little less crisp than either. Here's the video review; notice that in one of the comments asking for a comparison of PFP to Triax, Michelle of TW actually preferred PFP, as she said it played softer with better touch (for her at least), so that's saying something:
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There are a decent number of soft, low powered multifilaments.
Where Triax shines, at least for me, is the long lasting snapback which gives it poly like spin.
From checking the TW review PFP is nothing like that. From the ones I've tried, the only one coming close is multifeel black.
Yes. On the spin/snapback front, you're correct. There is something about the SPL coating over the PU400 matrix that keeps most TF multi's and multiesters snapping/sliding better than most others.
Happi
Hall of Fame
Coul perhaps be hybrided with MF black in the crosses.
Recently I moved from Triax to Rexis speed because I had sore shoulder and my local shop does not have HDMX stock.
I really liked the performance and arm friendness of Rexis speed for first 2 hours but after that string bed locked due to notching.
Is there any alternative multi that does not loose snapback quickly and arm friendly? Triax is too firm for my arm now. Is HDMX much softer than Triax?
I really liked the performance and arm friendness of Rexis speed for first 2 hours but after that string bed locked due to notching.
Is there any alternative multi that does not loose snapback quickly and arm friendly? Triax is too firm for my arm now. Is HDMX much softer than Triax?
TennisViking
Semi-Pro
I have been playing lately with the IsoSpeed Control Classic 1.30 (same as Professional but gauge is different) in my Ezone 100. It was @Happi that recommend this great string.
The strings have been comfortable and surprisingly low powered for being a multi string. I tried to like the Clash 100 but in the end the launch angle made my life difficult. The Ezone 100 has a more natural launch angle for my game.
The string is certainly not best for spin but so far I have liked in full bed. My elbow is ok now although not 100%.
This string has also been surprisingly durable.
Thanks for the tip @Happi
The strings have been comfortable and surprisingly low powered for being a multi string. I tried to like the Clash 100 but in the end the launch angle made my life difficult. The Ezone 100 has a more natural launch angle for my game.
The string is certainly not best for spin but so far I have liked in full bed. My elbow is ok now although not 100%.
This string has also been surprisingly durable.
Thanks for the tip @Happi
Realised that I've never tried a full bed of isospeed professional/control classic even though I've strung it hybrids for myself and others quite often.
So I did that and played with it today for the first time. Great stuff, probably my favourite of the full beds I've tried lately together with multifeel (more comfy than multifeel) and rip control (I don't coutn triax as a multi).
Needs more tension than the other multis, didn't notice that as much in the hybrids.
Had it at 23kg but couldve easily gone 24 or 25.
So I did that and played with it today for the first time. Great stuff, probably my favourite of the full beds I've tried lately together with multifeel (more comfy than multifeel) and rip control (I don't coutn triax as a multi).
Needs more tension than the other multis, didn't notice that as much in the hybrids.
Had it at 23kg but couldve easily gone 24 or 25.
tele
Professional
Not one of my favorite hybrid strings, but it is great in a full bed. I recommend 27kg!
Isospeed professional classic surprisingly lasted almost 8 hours until it broke.
Great as there is still the thicker option out there and playablilty almost didn't change throughout (maybe a bit softer the last hour).
As a normally low tension guy, I found it marginally too low at 23kg in my 16x19 98 prestige
and a bit too high at 24.5kg in my 16x19 93 prestige (stiffer than the 98 one though).
It think it's pretty good in hybrids to soften it up, my brother loves it in poly/multi.
I found it good in the intellitour hybrid too.
Great as there is still the thicker option out there and playablilty almost didn't change throughout (maybe a bit softer the last hour).
Maybe a bit too much for me^^
As a normally low tension guy, I found it marginally too low at 23kg in my 16x19 98 prestige
and a bit too high at 24.5kg in my 16x19 93 prestige (stiffer than the 98 one though).
It think it's pretty good in hybrids to soften it up, my brother loves it in poly/multi.
I found it good in the intellitour hybrid too.
which one matters most for arm comfort though? dynamic I imagine?
I got my hands on a set of isospeed axon multi, any tension recommendations compared to isospeed control/prof classic?
@teachingprotx or others
@teachingprotx or others
I haven't used that string myself, but it's always best to try it at the same tension as other multis you've tried just so it's easier to compare.
I'm guilty of changing too many variables at once myself.
teachingprotx
Legend
axon multi came to me most recently from TW. It was cut in two packed in the reel pack which isospeed does instead of a cardboard pack.. never have I opened a pack of strings like that , except a 2 part hybrid string like pro blend .. crazy weird .. must be in short supplie …. Which frightens me…
i LOVE this stuff man. It’s the visco elastic tempurpedic, prince vortex material string. Decent spin unreal ball pocketing . Heaven .. don’t care much for the dark gray color but… it’s the best string I’ve ever used .. hands down… muted mushy rubbery but still has spin capabilities..
i string mine at 42lbs as of late I’ve gone as low as 32lbs
i LOVE this stuff man. It’s the visco elastic tempurpedic, prince vortex material string. Decent spin unreal ball pocketing . Heaven .. don’t care much for the dark gray color but… it’s the best string I’ve ever used .. hands down… muted mushy rubbery but still has spin capabilities..
i string mine at 42lbs as of late I’ve gone as low as 32lbs
Interesting happenings. I got mine from some small german site as the TWE et al dont stock it here.
To continue/repeat my question, could you tell me some reference tensions for other strings (preferably iso control/prof classic), so I can adjust my tensions. Thx
Happi
Hall of Fame
I just strung up a Prince TT100P 18x20 with Axon multi. Used the same tension as my normal multi tension, I string Isospeed Prof Classic 1-2 kg higher than my normal multi tension. I will play tomorrow and will let you know how it works.Interesting happenings. I got mine from some small german site as the TWE et al dont stock it here.
To continue/repeat my question, could you tell me some reference tensions for other strings (preferably iso control/prof classic), so I can adjust my tensions. Thx
Great thx
teachingprotx
Legend
I use iso speeds professional, control classic, at 42 lbs mostlyInteresting happenings. I got mine from some small german site as the TWE et al dont stock it here.
To continue/repeat my question, could you tell me some reference tensions for other strings (preferably iso control/prof classic), so I can adjust my tensions. Thx
teachingprotx
Legend
I do love isospeed professional so much .. I just wish I could get topspin with it.. I do a bit but not near as much as I can with axon ..I like the color of professional too way more .
Happi
Hall of Fame
There are 2 versions of Isospeed professional the new and the classic (comes in a mini blue reel), they are very different. Are you refering to the new or classic ?
Happi
Hall of Fame
Played Axon Multi today, it ia a very very muted string, I think it can be excellent in a stiff frame. TT100P is a soft frame, and this was not a good combo, I like muted string but this was too much for meGreat thx
I would string it higher next time as it has a large initial tension loss just like Isospeed prof classic.
Hope this helps.
