Adapters for Babolat machines when stringing oversize frames?

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
My old Babolat 3001 machine is not able to string larger oversize frames. If my memory is correct there used to be some other parts or adapters when stringing super oversize frames.

Does any of you guys have any adapters for sale or any advice what to use to be able to string this type of frame?`

 

esgee48

Legend
You might want to ask @Babolat Official . I think you are out of luck. That looks like one of those Head Super Oversized frames. You might try a workaround and cut small pieces of wood that would fit between the standard and the frame. Should be bigger than that spacing since you want to press the wood against the frame. And make sure it just fits between the strings leaving room for the mains to pass thru the grommets. HTH.

BTW, your photo is really dark. Had to cut and paste, then increase lighting and contrast to be able to see anything at all. :)
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
You might want to ask @Babolat Official . I think you are out of luck. That looks like one of those Head Super Oversized frames. You might try a workaround and cut small pieces of wood that would fit between the standard and the frame. Should be bigger than that spacing since you want to press the wood against the frame. And make sure it just fits between the strings leaving room for the mains to pass thru the grommets. HTH.

BTW, your photo is really dark. Had to cut and paste, then increase lighting and contrast to be able to see anything at all. :)
I ordered load spreaders on **** and will also cut some hard plastic pieces from old spare parts from an old Neos machine and will use epoxy resin and make the load spreader bigger. I think that will work
 

esgee48

Legend
If the load spreader is hard plastic, It should work. Just be careful pulling the mains and make sure the frame is supported properly at 12 and 6 and that the device is tight against the frame. You definitely do not want it to slip out or off the supports.
 

esgee48

Legend
Probably could be done, but it is easier to fashion from a block of wood, file to shape and put a groove in one end for the standards. Hope @Hankenstein reports back whether this worked or not.
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
If the load spreader is hard plastic, It should work. Just be careful pulling the mains and make sure the frame is supported properly at 12 and 6 and that the device is tight against the frame. You definitely do not want it to slip out or off the supports.
Yep, will have a exact fit for the load spreader. Cant be any slippage or not tight enough. With the tension pulled in supermega oversize it must be tight fit
 

lwto

Hall of Fame
I wonder if these parts are candidates for 3D printing? Might be a viable option.
I think the pressure would be to great unless you found one that could be made with metal.
I have an adapter and it doesn't look like it would be to tough to make.
 
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old man stringer

Guest
the 3001 should have been delivered with extending holding pieces for larger frames they also have the yellow plastic protecting pieces so you do not scratch the inside of the frame. the 3001 was very popular all over europe and the extenders should be available. good luck, oms
 

jhupper

Rookie
Sorry to hijack this thread but it's in a similar vein. I have a 2001, a Star 3, and all the spacers you could imagine however on some OS rackets the frame touches the support arms (ie rest directly on top of the arms coming from the post) so if tension was to be pulled I suspect it would be crushed due to the shape of the arms. On some frames you can do adjustments to get just get the required space, but in others it just seems to be impossible.

Any ideas or is this just a case of an older machine not designed for such rackets?
 
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afeller

New User
I have two adapters. Don't know if one of them is an original.


The left one is relatively easy to build yourself. Just use a aluminum flat bar with around 5 mm (5,20 mm) thickness. The pins have a diameter of 2.95 mm and are 20,85 mm apart.
 

jhupper

Rookie
I have two adapters. Don't know if one of them is an original.


The left one is relatively easy to build yourself. Just use a aluminum flat bar with around 5 mm (5,20 mm) thickness. The pins have a diameter of 2.95 mm and are 20,85 mm apart.
Yeah those are original, have those and some others, but the problem with my machine in particular is the some OS rackets ends up mounted in such away that the frame at the throat ends up pressing on the actual arms that span out to hold the side support (If that makes sense).

If the supports were 5-10mm higher all around it would be fine but the way the arms are formed with a curve means the racket is pressed in the valley of the arms

Ps. Where did you get the white 6 and 9 support pads?
 

afeller

New User
I don't really understand it. Some pictures would be nice.

Ps. Where did you get the white 6 and 9 support pads?
You mean the shorter adapter on the right? Don't know. Bought a machine with all those adapters ;)
But very easily yo 3D print it...
 

jhupper

Rookie


Hope pics above show how the V of the throat is against the support arms. It's not properly mounted but gives the idea. You can see it would be worse if side arms were tightened down as it would push it down. Only way to avoid that I can see is shift the racket up so thinner part of the throat V is over the arms but no spacers will achieve that so I assume there is no way round it.
 

afeller

New User
Uh. The only idea I have is to drill some new holes with threads into the towers on the downside. That you can move the towers a little bit to the outside.
 

jim e

Legend
Just wondering, have you mounted racquet other way around, switching head end to throat end mounting on machine? You possibly have it mounted backwards?
 
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jhupper

Rookie
Just wondering, have you mounted racquet other way around, switching head end to throat end mounting on machine? You possibly have it mounted backwards?
No, always mounted correctly for the machine. I have tried reversing it for some rackets and it does give marginally more space (not sure why), but it really is marginal and not nearly enough to fix the problem.

Some rackets can be accommodated with a lot of fiddling and spacer trial and error. I suspect some are just out with the machines capabilities though.
 

jim e

Legend
Seems rather strange, as you have an older machine and those older frame racquets are wider as well, so you would think the machine would handle it fine. You may want to contact the Babolat rep that posts on these boards.
Possibly someone here with same machine as yours will respond.
 

jhupper

Rookie
Seems rather strange, as you have an older machine and those older frame racquets are wider as well, so you would think the machine would handle it fine. You may want to contact the Babolat rep that posts on these boards.
Possibly someone here with same machine as yours will respond.
Thanks, yeah I was assuming someone might have had the same issue. Personally I'd ban all super OS rackets but that might not be agreeable to all. @Babolat Official any thoughts very welcome!!
 

esgee48

Legend
Same solution as I posited to OP. Try 3D printing your own or make something that extends out from the side support. 0.5" extension on all sides should be fine.
@Hankenstein - how did it go?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
No, always mounted correctly for the machine. I have tried reversing it for some rackets and it does give marginally more space (not sure why), but it really is marginal and not nearly enough to fix the problem.
Most frames are wider at the head than at the throat of the racket specially fan type rackets. Heads on most frame are egg shaped with the pointed end in the throat area. So the side supports are made to open farther apart for the top side supports.
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@jhumper how much farther out do the side supports go? Will the side supports go out far enough so the throat supports do not rest against the side support arms?

It looks like your only real problem is the throat supports are hitting the side supports arms. That raises the racket and side supports are too low. If you can mount the racket higher maybe the throat supports won’t hit and then you only need a spacer for the 12 o’clock support.
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Here is a video that shows a spacer you may be able to fabricate to assist in mounting the racket higher. Of course you would be using the spacer at 12 o’clock and not the 6 o’clock support. I’m assuming mounting the racket higher will move the tip of the racket over the 12 o’clock standard.

 

jhupper

Rookie
The arms do spread further. Ideally I would shift the racket so it moved up towards the head so at the throat it moved to a narrower point of the V, but that all depends on the strung pattern and adaptors allowing that. On some rackets it just doesn't.

The issue is the beam thickness of the racket, so when it's in the side supports it will be forced down into the side support arms. My previous pics show the points of contact and that's it not properly secured down so it would be worse in reality.

Raising the racket 5mm would resolve the problem but the side supports are fixed to the offending support arms and these are the limiting factor so I don't see any way it can be achieved.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Raising the racket 5mm would resolve the problem but the side supports are fixed to the offending support arms and these are the limiting factor so I don't see any way it can be achieved.
Raising the racket up will not resolve your problem. Look at your first picture raising the racket will bring it to the top of the V support. You need to lower the racket so it first in the V supports. Mounting the racket higer up toward 12 o’clock will resolve you problem because the throat won’t hit the arm allowing the racket to be lower.

if you raise your racket higher by 0.5 cm it will be at the top of the side supports for the lower supports and be level for top supports. This will mount your racket lopsided.

raising the side supports will resolve you problem but there is no easy way to do that because you’ll then have to raise up all 6 supports.
 
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