Adapting to 2023 Pure Aero from 2016 Pure Aero

tennislover2

New User
Hello Folks,

I have been playing with 2016 Pure Aero for a while. I have not played with 2019 PA. I bought the new 2023 PA without a demo because it was time for upgrade and I liked the fact that it supposedly had more control on paper, and figured the playing characteristics wouldn't be too different. I did go down a grip size (to size #1) because I think the newer racket has a more flared butt cap compared to 2016 and I use over grips.

I play with a semi-western grip ( light ) on my FH. On the BH I play a 1HBH strong eastern BH grip ( actually index finger more close to bevel 8) for a more closed face.
After a month or so of hitting with the new PA, I think the serves are great. The volleys are fantastic as well. However I have not been able to swing as freely on my ground strokes, and they are not dialed in yet with this racket. I feel I dont have as much control and worried about overhitting. I was hoping people can share what they have learnt so that I can adapt to this racket. These are some of the things I am noticing.

I do think the balls have a tendency to take off, and in some occasions I miss long by a wide margin. This never happened in the 2016 model (slightly missed the target), not yet figured out when that happens?
I have some trouble flattening out shots on my FH mid court. The ground strokes generally have a tendency to go deep, and midcourt flat shot goes long. I feel like I have to hit gingerly when in the midcourt area. What adjustments have people made to hit short cross court ?

I have tried adding some weight (2 g) at the 12 0 clock and I felt the racket was more tame able on ground strokes partly because it increased the swing weight to come close to my 2016 PA. However even with the added weight, it still behaves more wildly than I want it to when taking a big cut at the ball especially on the run.

Also question to anybody who played with 2016 PA: is 2019 PA more close to how the 2016 played compared to 2023 PA?

Thanks in advance.
 
‘19 was pretty close to ‘16. I’m surprised that the ‘23 control is less rather than more; are you using the same strings and tension & do you think that you’re getting comparable spin levels?
 
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tennislover2

New User
‘19 was pretty close to ‘16. I’m surprised that the ‘23 control is less rather than more; are you using the same strings and tension & do you think that you getting comparable spin levels?

Yeah, I am using the same strings. In PA 2023 you get easy depth, and it becomes harder to control when you are in midcourt because it sails long because of the easy depth characteristic. That is what I mean by less control. If you compare the softer swings in both racquets, 2023 is more control. If you hit harder or swing big or try to flatten it out, I feel the control is a bit lacking in 2023 compared to 2016. Occasionally the ball launches to back fence. I get good bit of spin in PA 2023, but not as much as 2016.
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I am using the same strings. In PA 2023 you get easy depth, and it becomes harder to control when you are in midcourt because it sails long because of the easy depth characteristic. That is what I mean by less control. If you compare the softer swings in both racquets, 2023 is more control. If you hit harder or swing big or try to flatten it out, I feel the control is a bit lacking in 2023 compared to 2016. Occasionally the ball launches to back fence. I get good bit of spin in PA 2023, but not as much as 2016.

Very weird experience - In my demo I had the opposite experience - The 2023 had lower launch, lower spin than the 19 (16 is almost interchangeable with 19, almost) with both racquets at the same spec. The 16 with a more open pattern (like 19) will definitely have a higher launch and spin. The 23 will need a lower tension to get the same launch and spin (or close enough) in my opinion.

What string do you use in the 2016 and 2023?

Are you sure they at approximately the same spec? If for example you were playing the 2016 @ 308SW and 2023 @ 328 SW this sort of behavior can be explained as the lower launch and higher swingweight could explain the flyers especially at a lower levels of play.

An example : Couple years ago - I was playing lights out with a specific racquet for about 3 months, the other one in my bag that was "identical" would cause a lot of flyers and was temperamental. Then I found out that the one model of the same racquet I was playing well with was 308SW and the other one was 320+

Keep at it.
 

Hulger

Semi-Pro
Haven’t tried either, but I have PA 19 and APD 13 to provide a similar comparison.
It just seems like the tighter pattern of PA 22 begs for more spin generated by yourself.
 
Very weird experience - In my demo I had the opposite experience - The 2023 had lower launch, lower spin than the 19 (16 is almost interchangeable with 19, almost) with both racquets at the same spec. The 16 with a more open pattern (like 19) will definitely have a higher launch and spin. The 23 will need a lower tension to get the same launch and spin (or close enough) in my opinion.

What string do you use in the 2016 and 2023?

Are you sure they at approximately the same spec? If for example you were playing the 2016 @ 308SW and 2023 @ 328 SW this sort of behavior can be explained as the lower launch and higher swingweight could explain the flyers especially at a lower levels of play.

An example : Couple years ago - I was playing lights out with a specific racquet for about 3 months, the other one in my bag that was "identical" would cause a lot of flyers and was temperamental. Then I found out that the one model of the same racquet I was playing well with was 308SW and the other one was 320+

Keep at it.
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tennislover2

New User
I tried with ALU Power and Ytek Quadro twist. With either of those not as predictable as my 2016 PA with the same strings. Regarding the SW, I think the newer one has slightly lower swing weight, so initially the PA 2023 would swing too fast and I would end up hitting a little early. Adding some weight at 12 0 clock helped me to deal with that problem. With the weight added, it is not as wild as before, but still less forgiving than 2016 PA especially on big swings.
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
I tried with ALU Power and Ytek Quadro twist. With either of those not as predictable as my 2016 PA with the same strings. Regarding the SW, I think the newer one has slightly lower swing weight, so initially the PA 2023 would swing too fast and I would end up hitting a little early. Adding some weight at 12 0 clock helped me to deal with that problem. With the weight added, it is not as wild as before, but still less forgiving than 2016 PA especially on big swings.

Damn. My theory totally bit the dust!

Time to stock up on the 2016 PAs and grommets.
 

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
I think a big part of the issue is the tighter string pattern, as you stated, is giving you less spin on your midcoast shots. The easiest option would be to tighten up your string tension... try 2-4lbs higher. That will take away some of the power. Adding weight to the tip... added power to the racquet. Swinging at the same rhs with more swing weight will result in more power which is the opposite of what you are wanting.

So... I would remove the weight you added and tighten up the string tension a bit and see how that goes. You can also go for thicker gauge strings to get a little more control as well.

The other options is putting a little more spin on the ball if you can't flatten them the way you're used to. Kind of hard to hit flat shots with the PA anyway and keep it in... if you create your own power.
 

Trip

Hall of Fame
@tennislover2 - Here's what I believe to be the real reason: the PA23 has both a more dense string pattern than the PA16, and, as a result, a smaller string bed rectangle, where the outbound-most main and cross are not as close to the frame. As such, the PA23's tighter weave and more "island"-like string bed will 1) bite less and 2) trampoline more in unison. As such, if you don't maintain enough racquet head speed and face angle tilt at contact, you'll get the flyers that you've been noticing (which lack enough curvature and dip). You're not alone in noticing this; I also observed a fair amount of the same, having been on the TW PA23 playtest myself.

So, what can you do about it? Mainly two things -- adjustment of technique and string:
1) Technique - You'll need to more aggressively "wrap" around the ball as you come through, via a combo of racquet head speed, face angle and frame rotation, to help impart more curvature on the ball flight.
2) String - Move to a thicker gauge, lower-power, more grippy poly, which will help to calm down the string bed and also give you more grip on the ball -- the best I've tested so far has been Tier One Black Knight 1.28 (at 54/52 pounds on a lockout, so like 51/49 eCP).

Those two elements combined should help to tame the PA23 more towards what you're used to with the PA16. Any questions, feel free.
 
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tennislover2

New User
Good suggestions. I think I am generating good racquet head speed, however, may be the other two items that you mentioned ( frame rotation and closed face) could use some improvement. Since I have a light semi-western grip ( not heavy semi-western or western grip), it is possible like you are alluding that my face is not closed enough ( and that probably was enough for PA 16). I guess either I have to close the face with a slight wrist extension during contact or move further down the bevel in my semi-western grip to get that. Regarding frame rotation, hmm, I think it may be more easier to do on higher balls because that may be natural path of the racquet's wind shield wiper motion. Keep the suggestions coming (y), will report back on what I learn
 
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