ADD 10-20 MPH to your serve in 30 Seconds, NO joke

[Shroud]

Yeah, Battisone.
He could just toss the ball with his other hand.

He's really open when hitting. I bet that might have something to do with me being so open. I was starting like 5ft behind the service line and running up to hit the serve. Did that for over a year and then went to standing. Probably got me hitting open.

 

[Cheetah]

Shroud, what's up with your shoulders? Do you have an injury or something?

 

[sureshs]

so if I add 20 mph to my serve with the fix, then I would be serving 100-110 mph consistently. Not sure if this is realistic thinking ?

No, since you current speed is 60

 

[Shroud]

Shroud, what's up with your shoulders? Do you have an injury or something?

No. Though honestly they are very weak. Always have been. I bought a training system that has helped but I havent been doing it lately.

Those were flat serves and the kicker I seem to turn around ALOT more for some reason.

Why?

 

[Cheetah]

You're not getting into the reverse cartwheel position, shoulders are pretty level from what I can tell. Then your left arm stays straight and pulls to the side of your body instead and your shoulders follow so your shoulders are moving horizontally like a forehand and it makes you open up too soon. Left arm and shoulder should be high and right shoulder should be low. Then left arm comes down, shoulders become equal then right shoulder goes up and left arm and left should go down.

 

[ilovetennis212]

So they want me to pay $47 to watch Pat's secret serve.
Is it one time thing payment? Or annual thing?

 

[Topspin Shot]

You're not getting into the reverse cartwheel position, shoulders are pretty level from what I can tell. Then your left arm stays straight and pulls to the side of your body instead and your shoulders follow so your shoulders are moving horizontally like a forehand and it makes you open up too soon. Left arm and shoulder should be high and right shoulder should be low. Then left arm comes down, shoulders become equal then right shoulder goes up and left arm and left should go down.

I wonder if he's missing the reverse bow because he's contacting it behind his head and out to the right. With the contact where it is, I don't think he can reverse bow.

 

[Fintft]

You're not getting into the reverse cartwheel position, shoulders are pretty level from what I can tell. Then your left arm stays straight and pulls to the side of your body instead and your shoulders follow so your shoulders are moving horizontally like a forehand and it makes you open up too soon. Left arm and shoulder should be high and right shoulder should be low. Then left arm comes down, shoulders become equal then right shoulder goes up and left arm and left should go down.

Nice analysis btw! Especially the part about level shoulders...

 

[yellowoctopus]

Will and Fuzzy balls is good... but he talks way to much imo. Get to the point Will. And this video is the same thing. Too much talk, and not enough making the point.

Have you heard this personality? I think he makes Mr. Will H. on Fuzzy Balls sound like a man of few words.

Despite that, I think they do good work contributing to the game. My sincere respect to them and wish them all the best in their businesses.

 

[arche3]

ian is the worst for dragging out a one sentence instruction into 30 minutes.

 

[hawk eye]

ian is the worst for dragging out a one sentence instruction into 30 minutes.

Well they all have it to a certain extend. Fact is , they're robbing you of time (when you're willing/able top to sit out there talks that is), but they believe that they're vids are actually increasing in value the longer they keep babbling on.
They often have usefull info for many recs, no doubt. But coming to the point is not their forte. Well Ian may be bad, but to me this guy is the champ:

 

[tennis_balla]

These online instructions are already dead in the water it seems, but maybe I'm wrong. Too many of them out there, lots of info on Youtube you can get for free etc. Its lost its value, because too many have come along and watered it down. That would explain the aggressive emails the main guys are sending out all the time, trying to retain their customer base.

The idea is great however and guys like Will at FYB latched onto and made a market, a name for themselves and plenty of money. Good for them, nothing but respect. Now the next big thing has to come along.

 

[Brian11785]

^^ Easy to complain about the work of others when you are some anonymous Internet user who doesn't have to defend the things (or lack of things, usually) you've created.

 

[Topspin Shot]

^^ Easy to complain about the work of others when you are some anonymous Internet user who doesn't have to defend the things (or lack of things, usually) you've created.

Well, in all fairness, balla is very high level player, very good coach, and one of the most knowledgeable posters on the forum.

 

[Avles]

Well, in all fairness, balla is very high level player, very good coach, and one of the most knowledgeable posters on the forum.

Looking at the timestamps I wonder if Brian1175 was responding to posts further above.

^^^^^s don't work very well in busy threads

 

[tennis_balla]

I don't think that post was directed at me

 

[Topspin Shot]

Looking at the timestamps I wonder if Brian1175 was responding to posts further above.

^^^^^s don't work very well in busy threads

If that's that's the case, then my bad Brian.

 

[Fintft]

These online instructions are already dead in the water it seems, but maybe I'm wrong. Too many of them out there, lots of info on Youtube you can get for free etc. Its lost its value, because too many have come along and watered it down. That would explain the aggressive emails the main guys are sending out all the time, trying to retain their customer base.

The idea is great however and guys like Will at FYB latched onto and made a market, a name for themselves and plenty of money. Good for them, nothing but respect. Now the next big thing has to come along.

While I agree wiht you, I can still value for club level players like me, in both online instructions and youtube videos, especially when other posters on this forum dig them up (either first, or periodically and so forth) to make their points.

 

[Brian11785]

It was indeed not directed at tennis_balla.

 

[tennis_balla]

While I agree wiht you, I can still value for club level players like me, in both online instructions and youtube videos, especially when other posters on this forum dig them up (either first, or periodically and so forth) to make their points.

I'm talking from a income point of view for its owners. Not as lucrative as it once was I'm guessing. The videos are great, and offer great instruction but they've lost their value $$ wise because there are so many free ones out there. These guys are having to pull out more and more unique ideas and instructions out their butts because of it. Which I guess is a good thing as well, keeps them on their toes.

 

[Fintft]

I'm talking from a income point of view for its owners. Not as lucrative as it once was I'm guessing. The videos are great, and offer great instruction but they've lost their value $$ wise because there are so many free ones out there. These guys are having to pull out more and more unique ideas and instructions out their butts because of it. Which I guess is a good thing as well, keeps them on their toes.

I can easily see your point as I've never spent money on online lessons (the biggest reason I've liked YFB when it came out with free good content years ago)...I've even started to challange the value of traditional lessons (in my town in Canada, not in other places, such as Europe) with the local coaches at the club.

 

[tennis_balla]

I can easily see your point as I've never spent money on online lessons (the biggest reason I've liked YFB when it came out with free good content years ago)...I've even started to challange the value of traditional lessons (in my town in Canada, not in other places, such as Europe) with the local coaches at the club.

Where in Canada do you live?

 

[Fintft]

Where in Canada do you live?

Ottawa, Rideau Tennis Club.

I think you are in Toronto, correct?

 

[tennis_balla]

Ottawa, Rideau Tennis Club.

I think you are in Toronto, correct?

I live in Prague now....for the mean time. I know what you mean about coaching in Canada, but I think it'll get better though not soon enough. Don't know anyone in Ottawa I can refer you to sorry.

 

[arche3]

^^ Easy to complain about the work of others when you are some anonymous Internet user who doesn't have to defend the things (or lack of things, usually) you've created.

if your talking to me I am the anonymous internet userbase these instructors hope will spend my money on. So my feedback on ttw is in fact invaluable for their business model. We ttw people are their customers. If I dont like the way coca cola advertised their drinks I can express my opinion and not buy it.

these online coaches are a product. they dont do it for the love of tennis. if they did it would all be free. but alas they are charging you for the real content. So yes, we can and should give them feedback on their advertising if it is annoying and lame.

 

[Fintft]

I live in Prague now....for the mean time. I know what you mean about coaching in Canada, but I think it'll get better though not soon enough. Don't know anyone in Ottawa I can refer you to sorry.

Thanks and good for you! I got great value out of tennis lessons in Bucharest/Romania.

Last summer I went there twice and at some point I've tried a second coach, hats off...Not only he used to be runner up U16 in the country and he had later (he's still mid twenties) a runner up girl student in the U18, but the way they teach and the overall value of the lessons was outstanding (for about USD20/h), private clay court etc.
And friendly, I mean really friendly (With the first coach I ended up being close enough friends over the years, we go hiking as well, etc).

Come summer time, I'll try a new coach(again from Romania) that I heard is a new landed immigrant in my town and was offering to teach for the same low price of $20/h (court fees during winter make me wait+ guest fees at the club etc).

 

[5263]

they dont do it for the love of tennis. if they did it would all be free. but alas they are charging you for the real content. So yes, we can and should give them feedback on their advertising if it is annoying and lame.

which is what I do here, sharing much of the modern info for free. Odd that some will defend those salesmen, but find fault with me sharing many of the modern tips here for free...

 

[Brian11785]

if your talking to me I am the anonymous internet userbase these instructors hope will spend my money on. So my feedback on ttw is in fact invaluable for their business model. We ttw people are their customers. If I dont like the way coca cola advertised their drinks I can express my opinion and not buy it.

these online coaches are a product. they dont do it for the love of tennis. if they did it would all be free. but alas they are charging you for the real content. So yes, we can and should give them feedback on their advertising if it is annoying and lame.

It wasn't so much the criticism of the advertising that was eyeroll-inducing at it was the criticism of the instructors themselves.

FYB and ET have produced more free content than the vast majority of rec players will ever need. Obviously they have to make a living, but in many regards, they have done the rec tennis public a service. If you are criticizing them for their free content, that seems pretty crappy. If you are critical of a course you actually bought, you are an uninformed consumer (since you should have known their communication style before purchasing.)

ian is the worst for dragging out a one sentence instruction into 30 minutes.

Only on the Internet is calling someone "the worst" invaluable feedback.

 

[Fintft]

which is what I do here, sharing much of the modern info for free. Odd that some will defend those salesmen, but find fault with me sharing many of the modern tips here for free...

Personally I think that sharing tips here, especially by coaches (maybe TW should have an icon for that) is of great value, so a big thank you to all of you!

 

[3fees]

I can add 10-20 mph to my serve in less than 30 seconds, hit the ball the harder, thats all I do to add velocity.


3Fees

 

[Brian11785]

which is what I do here, sharing much of the modern info for free. Odd that some will defend those salesmen, but find fault with me sharing many of the modern tips here for free...

If you'd like to find a post of mine criticizing instruction or someone's strokes, go right ahead. :twisted:

 

[arche3]

It wasn't so much the criticism of the advertising that was eyeroll-inducing at it was the criticism of the instructors themselves.

FYB and ET have produced more free content than the vast majority of rec players will ever need. Obviously they have to make a living, but in many regards, they have done the rec tennis public a service. If you are criticizing them for their free content, that seems pretty crappy. If you are critical of a course you actually bought, you are an uninformed consumer (since you should have known their communication style before purchasing.)




Only on the Internet is calling someone "the worst" invaluable feedback.

I am critical of them wasting time to say one sentence. The free stuff is a loss leader to sell their paid content.
And yes I have every right to make observations in video they put out into the public space for free. And yes ian is very annoying. I have also commented on one of his videos where I praised the info and concise method. So I give praise as well as critical comment. So yes. If ian wants to reach a broader audience he needs to get thicker skin. It seems he has no issues with my critique here in the past. You seem sensitive. Your problem. Ian doesn't have one.

 

[Brian11785]

I am critical of them wasting time to say one sentence. The free stuff is a loss leader to sell their paid content.
And yes I have every right to make observations in video they put out into the public space for free. And yes ian is very annoying. I have also commented on one of his videos where I praised the info and concise method. So I give praise as well as critical comment. So yes. If ian wants to reach a broader audience he needs to get thicker skin. It seems he has no issues with my critique here in the past. You seem sensitive. Your problem. Ian doesn't have one.

And I have every right to make observations about how crappy your posts are. They are in the public space as well. Why do you have more rights than I?

 

[arche3]

And I have every right to make observations about how crappy your posts are. They are in the public space as well. Why do you have more rights than I?

Sure. You do. Are you ians mommy?

 

[Brian11785]

Sure. You do. Are you ians mommy?

You are a terrible person. Or a 12 year old. I'll never find out. Ignored.

 

[arche3]

You are a terrible person. Or a 12 year old. I'll never find out. Ignored.

I am a very very bad person. Luckily for me I dont need to sell anything from my crappy posts.

Meh....

 

[RajS]

Funny posts. I would laugh if I were not so confused.

I read all the instructions and try to implement what I believe to be good, but this is too hard for me since I have to choose between different ways of playing. One of these days I am going to pay a coach just to tell me I am as good as I will ever get as an older player, and that I should stick to one way of doing things for the rest of my life. At least I will have some peace of mind. I am semi-serious!

 

[LeeD]

Why can't you change your game as you get older.
I incorporated a strong SW forehand grip at 59.
Now 65, working on 1hbh topspin for about 2 months, I often overhit against soft balls, but it's fine against hard incoming balls.
Started using the lefty twist beginning of last year.

 

[RajS]

LeeD, I am sure everyone can improve some aspect of their game. I am always tweaking something, but whether that leads to improvement or not is the question. Besides, I don't think my athletic ability is anywhere near yours... I can hardly throw a tennis ball one-court length, let alone two!

 

[LeeD]

I've been watching a few very non athletic 4.5's hitting at our courts. They slice most of their shots, and usually go for SHORT angled slices, not depth, to move their opponent's around. Same with their serves, they serve short to get you beyond your singles alley, then hit the next ball short to the opposite side of the court. Once you recover and move to get to the second shot, they hit short and low behind you.
That is a different style than you play, and one that works at 4.5 levels.

 

[RajS]

LeeD, that is too specific, if you mean your post as a suggestion to improve. I am going to post some videos first chance I get and solicit feedback. I have downloaded some free video editing software and am trying to figure out how the heck to use it. Why do they make it so complex!

 

[LeeD]

The reason they deliberately hit short and low is to allow themselves more angle to work with.
Those short skidded balls force the opponent to constantly hit UP and create all the energy, while they just slice again low and short to the open court.
Another way at looking at tennis from an old fart's view.

 

[5263]

If you'd like to find a post of mine criticizing instruction or someone's strokes, go right ahead. :twisted:

No, I'm not talking about you or anyone in particular...just something I've noticed over the years of posting tips here. I don't think I've even seen you post before...you must do it mostly in another section?

THanks Fintft, and that is what makes it worth it...knowing guys like you enjoy reading and at least considering the tips!

 

[LeeD]

RajS...
NO good coach would tell you ONE way to play your tennis in your future years.
It's up to you.
And every player is different.

 

[RajS]

Thx, LeeD. I appreciate what you are saying. I started playing when I was 39, so it's not like I had great tennis ambitions to start with. I'm 57 and a grandfather now, know a lot of theory (the usual web sites, lurking here, and so on), and just want to make a decision on how much I should push myself to play competitively at my level, or even try to reach the next level. Kind of like a mid-life crisis, if you know what I mean. Never had a coach or formal tennis lessons in my life... I guess I would be the definition of a hacker.

 

[LeeD]

Listen to your body.
Look at modern players, but only do what you can readily do, with some practice.
Look at the game of the older players.
But incorporate your strengths into the game.

 

[sureshs]

Thx, LeeD. I appreciate what you are saying. I started playing when I was 39, so it's not like I had great tennis ambitions to start with. I'm 57 and a grandfather now, know a lot of theory (the usual web sites, lurking here, and so on), and just want to make a decision on how much I should push myself to play competitively at my level, or even try to reach the next level. Kind of like a mid-life crisis, if you know what I mean. Never had a coach or formal tennis lessons in my life... I guess I would be the definition of a hacker.

I too started at 39! It has been 10 years now.

 

[sureshs]

these online coaches are a product. they dont do it for the love of tennis. if they did it would all be free. but alas they are charging you for the real content.

You are not even coherent. Do you also go around saying that Federer is a product (sic) who doesn't love tennis because he doesn't play for free?

 

[sureshs]

Why not look at it the other way? Those who watch the free stuff put out by Will H. and others (like me) are the ones who are ripping them off by not buying their product. Like asking for samples of everything at a farmer's market and then walking away without buying anything.

 

[sureshs]

which is what I do here, sharing much of the modern info for free. Odd that some will defend those salesmen, but find fault with me sharing many of the modern tips here for free...

That is because you might have a brick-and-mortar coaching business going, and this is your side thing, while for the Internet coaches, it is a business. You don't produce the lessons and videos they do, so there is really no comparison.