Added weight but less power?

musicsoul

Rookie
I'm (for the first time) tinkering with my racquet. Mostly for balancing and a small addition of power.

So this is the case:
Head Extreme Tour
Strung: 318 grams
Balance: 32 cm

I now added an overgrip which adds about 8,5 grams and counter balanced with 1 gram at 12'.
Total 327,5.

I would suspect more power, but it feels like less power. It does have more stability. This of course could be a 'feel' thing, because the feel is more dampend with an overgrip. Any thoughts?
 

esgee48

Legend
Re string your frame with 2# less tension. Repeat until you feel that you have enough "power." Strings and tension are easier to dial in than tinkering with the frame. Only time I do that is when client wants to match frames.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
I'm (for the first time) tinkering with my racquet. Mostly for balancing and a small addition of power.

So this is the case:
Head Extreme Tour
Strung: 318 grams
Balance: 32 cm

I now added an overgrip which adds about 8,5 grams and counter balanced with 1 gram at 12'.
Total 327,5.

I would suspect more power, but it feels like less power. It does have more stability. This of course could be a 'feel' thing, because the feel is more dampend with an overgrip. Any thoughts?
How you gauge it? Do balls land shorter now?
 

musicsoul

Rookie
Re string your frame with 2# less tension. Repeat until you feel that you have enough "power." Strings and tension are easier to dial in than tinkering with the frame. Only time I do that is when client wants to match frames.
Yes good idea. The reason for adding weight is because I’ve added an overgrip. But maybe it’s too much.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Dept feels about the same. It’s trying to look at the speed of the ball when hitting at 100%.
It's not likely to have any precision with such eye test. Depth from same spot (hand feeds) with same net clearence over ~20 balls is much better metric. However, I wouln't expect noticeable difference with your 1g modification.
You could loose power because higher static and swing weight slowed down your swing, or just spoiled timing a bit, but again, nothing which cannot be solved over brief adjustment period.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
It's not likely to have any precision with such eye test. Depth from same spot (hand feeds) with same net clearence over ~20 balls is much better metric. However, I wouln't expect noticeable difference with your 1g modification.
You could loose power because higher static and swing weight slowed down your swing, or just spoiled timing a bit, but again, nothing which cannot be solved over brief adjustment period.
Yes I agree that it could be the adjustment period. I was also thinking that I could move the weight to 3 & 9.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
You barely changed a thing and yet you think it's affected power? I think you are imagining things.

I think you'd have to fire one more motor neuron to generate the force necessary to overcome that kind of frame alteration.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
You barely changed a thing and yet you think it's affected power? I think you are imagining things.

I think you'd have to fire one more motor neuron to generate the force necessary to overcome that kind of frame alteration.
I’ve added 9,5 grams. Before this I played without the overgrip. Just curious about if this could affect power in a negative way in general :)
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Weight from overgrip does nothing for power. Weight on the head would add power, but 1 gram... C'mon... You gotta be near Pete Sampras levels of sensitive to notice that difference... You'd need about a 3-5% difference to notice something for "high level players" (D1 college if I remember the article correctly). 1 gram generates about a 1% difference.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Do you think an overgrip shifts sweetspots?
As far as I understand based on TWU theories and experiments, weight in locations other than the hoop or upper throat doesn’t affect sweetspot, and overall doesn’t contribute to rebound power directly. It contributes to swinging properties and to absorbing impact shock, though.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
Weight from overgrip does nothing for power. Weight on the head would add power, but 1 gram... C'mon... You gotta be near Pete Sampras levels of sensitive to notice that difference... You'd need about a 3-5% difference to notice something for "high level players" (D1 college if I remember the article correctly). 1 gram generates about a 1% difference.
I agree and it was more a question about the added overgrip then the 1 gram at 12. The reason for adding the 1 gram is for balancing out the weight of the overgrip.

I think the answer is a combination of the static weight slowing down my swing and the extra dampened feel of the grip that creates a fake feeling of less power.
I’m going to test without weight and with some weight at 3 & 9.

Still love this racquet though! I’m playing very well with it. Pin point accuracy with enough power.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
I agree and it was more a question about the added overgrip then the 1 gram at 12. The reason for adding the 1 gram is for balancing out the weight of the overgrip.

I think the answer is a combination of the static weight slowing down my swing and the extra dampened feel of the grip that creates a fake feeling of less power.
I’m going to test without weight and with some weight at 3 & 9.

Still love this racquet though! I’m playing very well with it. Pin point accuracy with enough power.
I've tuned a couple different racquet models with some lead. If I want a frame to feel more stable or solid through the ball, I like to use the 3/9 o'clock placement instead of up at the top (noon), but I also try to add lead to the hoop in very small increments. A little goes a long way out there toward making changes for most of us. You're probably finding that now.

Adding lead to my handles for more head-light balance usually calls for being much less subtle. It usually takes several grams on the handle to nudge the balance to a more head-light layout. I use 1/4" lead tape on my hoops, but 1/2" lead tape works better on my handles.

The idea of using the heaviest racquet that we can manage for an entire outing on the courts is reasonable advice, but don't let that trick you into making your frame too heavy. I use somewhat hefty racquets, but when I've done any tuning, I've tried to keep them as light as I can while still feeling stable and easy for me to maneuver. That approach has saved me from going too overboard with the lead tape. Tuning in general won't necessarily work miracles for any of us, but most racquets can be mildly tweaked into a more comfortable fit for an individual player. If you stay patient and take time to settle in with each adjustment you make, you may easily arrive at a more cozy layout with that particular frame (y)
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
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I'm (for the first time) tinkering with my racquet. Mostly for balancing and a small addition of power.

So this is the case:
Head Extreme Tour
Strung: 318 grams
Balance: 32 cm

I now added an overgrip which adds about 8,5 grams and counter balanced with 1 gram at 12'.
Total 327,5.

I would suspect more power, but it feels like less power. It does have more stability. This of course could be a 'feel' thing, because the feel is more dampend with an overgrip. Any thoughts?
With the customization you did, your recoil weight is collapsed...
That's why you feel your racquet less powerful.
Try to add 2-3 grams on 12 if you can afford such a raise (aprox 10 units) in swingweight.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
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With the customization you did, your recoil weight is collapsed...
That's why you feel your racquet less powerful.
Try to add 2-3 grams on 12 if you can afford such a raise (aprox 10 units) in swingweight.
Can you explain some more about this? :)
edit: What i’m reading right now is that because the racquet is not polarized enough anymore there is less recoil weight?
I was thinking of adding a total of 4 gram to 3 & 9, removing the weight at 12.
 
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Simplicius

Semi-Pro
What i’m reading right now is that because the racquet is not polarized enough anymore there is less recoil weight?
I was thinking of adding a total of 4 gram to 3 & 9, removing the weight at 12.
Yes, it must be as polarized as you can.
Just add 3-4 g total on 12. 9-3 is not a good idea...
 

TennisHound

Legend
I'm (for the first time) tinkering with my racquet. Mostly for balancing and a small addition of power.

So this is the case:
Head Extreme Tour
Strung: 318 grams
Balance: 32 cm

I now added an overgrip which adds about 8,5 grams and counter balanced with 1 gram at 12'.
Total 327,5.

I would suspect more power, but it feels like less power. It does have more stability. This of course could be a 'feel' thing, because the feel is more dampend with an overgrip. Any thoughts?
of course any change you make is going to take a little while to get used to (couple of weeks maybe).
 
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I'm guessing that your perception of less power has nothing to do with the added weight. I'd bet that the slight increase in grip size is making the racket feel less "whippy" and may have possibly slowed down your swing a little. Plus, sometimes when you make a small adjustment in your grip size, you don't hold the racket in the exact same position it was in before. A 1/2mm difference in the angle you hold the racket may make the racket feel less powerful, and may even make the balls land a little shorter.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
Yes, it must be as polarized as you can.
Just add 3-4 g total on 12. 9-3 is not a good idea...
Played today with a total of 2,5 grams at 12 (exactly one strip of tungsten I had left) and the power is back! Feels really good now. Nicely balanced. More spin then before. I played horrible tough, but that’s not the racquet ;) Thanks for the tips!
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@musicsoul 8.5 g sounds heavy for an OG but if you did add 9.5 g to your racket you moved the balance down to 31.5 cm. Your RW increased by 5.5 points and your SW increased by about 3 points. I would not think a 3 point increase in SW would slow your racket down enough so you would notice less power. How did you determine the weight of the OG and weight at 12 o’clock? I’m guessing you added more than 1 g at 12 o’clock.
 

musicsoul

Rookie
@musicsoul 8.5 g sounds heavy for an OG but if you did add 9.5 g to your racket you moved the balance down to 31.5 cm. Your RW increased by 5.5 points and your SW increased by about 3 points. I would not think a 3 point increase in SW would slow your racket down enough so you would notice less power. How did you determine the weight of the OG and weight at 12 o’clock? I’m guessing you added more than 1 g at 12 o’clock.
Yes I corrected myself in the thread. It was 8,5 with dampener.
I determine the weight with a sensitive coffee/kitchen scale + it’s tungsten tape which has markers for the weight.
 
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