Adidas Stycon Laceless Tennis Shoe

bwongman

Rookie
The wire in Nadal's shoe isn't the main selling feature of the shoe. It is a feature intended to help lockdown, but Nadal apparently felt he didn't need it. It didn't inherently change the design of the shoe itself.

I will have to repeat myself, but don't see a problem, because I don't see a connection between the technology in the shoe of the pros and that in retail. They are clearly intended for different customers with different needs. You seem to insist that the only thing that guarantees that the shoe sold to the customers in retail to work is if it is the exact same shoe the pros are wearing. No other option. I disagree.
I will also have to repeat myself here, but the main feature of the shoe is the fact that it is laceless and the shoes that the pros are using are not. I have said many times that the shoes sold to customers in retail do not have to be the same as the pros for it to work, but at least use the feature that it is being retailed for. An example would be if Tsitspas needed more support or traction, Adidas could have personalized the shoe for him by tightening the weave of the material or changing the tread design to something that he liked. This personalization would have kept the feature of this shoe as its main design.

Another example of the intended feature of a shoe would be the Nike Vaporfly 4% used by Eliud Kipchoge to run the 2 hr marathon. The main feature of the shoe was the VaporX cushioning and its carbon shank. If Eliud used a shoe with completely different foam then I would be saying that the retail version is a disappointment.

Probably no more point discussing this because we are both pretty stuck in our way of thinking.

Looking forward to seeing some reviews of this shoe soon.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
The wire in Nadal's shoe isn't the main selling feature of the shoe. It is a feature intended to help lockdown, but Nadal apparently felt he didn't need it. It didn't inherently change the design of the shoe itself.
The design of the shoe is different than its functional features. You clearly didn't watch the promotional video of the shoe for TW. In it the designer of the shoe literally states that "the heart of the shoe is its midsole" and goes on to explain why that is so, so your impression about what is what in this shoe is wrong. You also mix up your already mixed up statements with "selling points" by which you clearly mean "marketing", not features.


I will also have to repeat myself here, but the main feature of the shoe is the fact that it is laceless and the shoes that the pros are using are not. I have said many times that the shoes sold to customers in retail do not have to be the same as the pros for it to work, but at least use the feature that it is being retailed for. An example would be if Tsitspas needed more support or traction, Adidas could have personalized the shoe for him by tightening the weave of the material or changing the tread design to something that he liked. This personalization would have kept the feature of this shoe as its main design.
Bolded: the designer of the shoe tells us that you are wrong.

As for what they "could have" done, that really is irrelevant as it again suggests that a perfect match in the appearance should be achieved for the shoe to work as intended for its intended customer. I don't see that as being the case.



Probably no more point discussing this because we are both pretty stuck in our way of thinking.

Looking forward to seeing some reviews of this shoe soon.
I see it the same way. We will have to see what the people that buy the shoe will say about the promises that it makes.

 
Has anyone failed to mention that you will look like a dbag showing up at your local courts looking like sonic the hedgehog ? If nothing else this post illustrates that marketing works !
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Has anyone failed to mention that you will look like a dbag showing up at your local courts looking like sonic the hedgehog ? If nothing else this post illustrates that marketing works !
If that post was addressed to me, I already said in this thread that I think that the shoe is ugly and I don't intend to buy it, so, again, if it was addressed to me that is not "it".

 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
a sneaker guy and I’m curious about them too, but my foot is more of a Nike foot. Loving the vapor cage right now.
My foot too, hence narrow Barricades were ace, however the SoleCourt just soooo wide!

Anyway, TW Chris has narrow feet and he say (latest vid) fit is good (tho went down to single socks)

Anyway, each shoe is 461 grams (US size 10)

& Quite a sobering thought: that 2 shoes can add up to 1kg you carry around on the court...

 
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bertrevert

Hall of Fame
The profile of the forefoot area is quite different from another recent Adidas shoe (SoleCourt), it is narrower and more pointed (unsure if you can see from this photo), and the foot sits lower in this shoe




Ok I think this photo shows that sharper narrower profile

 

ryanholi0

Rookie
I liked them till I saw the pointed toe... No thanks. The Ubersonic 3 and the CourtJam Bounce has the perfect shape toe box and roundness.
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
Quite a sobering thought: that 2 shoes can add up to 1kg you carry around on the court...
This would not be something that I want to see on my feet. It looks like an injured foot, in a cast or some sort of bandage.
:-D :-D :-D yes underneath the grey cover the strapping is a bit like strong taught elastic bandaging... preventative strapping, pre-injury! :-D
 

Sardines

Professional
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
 
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ArliHawk

Hall of Fame
I played a few sets of doubles with Stycon. It's feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
thanks for the review! Might pick up some of these in sale just to try them but am really liking the zoom vapor cage 4 right now.
 

dje31

Professional
Who are you to question my right to voice my personal opinion on a discussion board?
Not suppressing your opinion or ability to voice it. It just seems like a lot of anger and emotional investment in a pair of shoes that you'll never buy...but someone else will.

I mean, it's just a pair of shoes.

Unless you own shares of Adidas stock...
 

Sardines

Professional
thanks for the review! Might pick up some of these in sale just to try them but am really liking the zoom vapor cage 4 right now.
Well I did try the ZVC4 and didn't like the fit as much as the AC3, but they are still a good shoe. However, I didn't like the colors except the black ones. The ZVC4 has a outsole warranty and actually about the same price as the Stycon. Once I've trashed the rest of my shoes, I'll look at it again. The Stycon clay looks stylish enough for me to use as a tennis/casual shoe.
 
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
Fab review @Sardines. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
In your experience, do you think the heel drop on the Stycon is less than on Solecourt Boost?
 

Sardines

Professional
Fab review @Sardines. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
In your experience, do you think the heel drop on the Stycon is less than on Solecourt Boost?
I use a custom insole for arch support for the SCB, which is thicker than the stock insole, and I don't notice any pronounced differences. It definitely feels lower to the ground than the SCB.
 

M Pillai

Rookie
Folks who reject the shoe just by the look of it, may have to give it some time. Anything non-traditional takes a while to get accepted visually. I will concentrate on other aspects of the shoe, and just see whether the goals of the design are met or not.
 

Sardines

Professional
Played a couple more hours and the shoe doesn't feel as snug. It does still hold securely snug, but noticeably less tight, but the sensation of my feet shifting forward is there. However, I have no issue of toe jamming, just a very slight feeling of sliding forward, which is normal since it's still an elastic band and the sock liner restraining my foot, so some give is expected. I can understand why the pros would not like that feel because that feeling of movement can be distracting, especially psychologically. That said, it's a feeling and my toes didn't jam against the front. I assume the elastics will stretch more over time, especially for heavier people with thicker feet. Since I'm only using these shoes for night use only, it'll be interesting to see the longevity of these shoes. My Next Level shoes are holding up well for 1+ year with b-ball on wood courts once or twice a month.
 

barbTheOne

New User
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
Thank you for taking time to put this together.

With all due respect as I'm new here, if you guys just dislike shoe based on it's look of it you might need to reconsider it.

I see some of you guys find it ugly, but to be honest I'm kind of fond to this new laceless style.
 
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