Adidas Stycon Laceless Tennis Shoe

bwongman

Rookie
The wire in Nadal's shoe isn't the main selling feature of the shoe. It is a feature intended to help lockdown, but Nadal apparently felt he didn't need it. It didn't inherently change the design of the shoe itself.

I will have to repeat myself, but don't see a problem, because I don't see a connection between the technology in the shoe of the pros and that in retail. They are clearly intended for different customers with different needs. You seem to insist that the only thing that guarantees that the shoe sold to the customers in retail to work is if it is the exact same shoe the pros are wearing. No other option. I disagree.
I will also have to repeat myself here, but the main feature of the shoe is the fact that it is laceless and the shoes that the pros are using are not. I have said many times that the shoes sold to customers in retail do not have to be the same as the pros for it to work, but at least use the feature that it is being retailed for. An example would be if Tsitspas needed more support or traction, Adidas could have personalized the shoe for him by tightening the weave of the material or changing the tread design to something that he liked. This personalization would have kept the feature of this shoe as its main design.

Another example of the intended feature of a shoe would be the Nike Vaporfly 4% used by Eliud Kipchoge to run the 2 hr marathon. The main feature of the shoe was the VaporX cushioning and its carbon shank. If Eliud used a shoe with completely different foam then I would be saying that the retail version is a disappointment.

Probably no more point discussing this because we are both pretty stuck in our way of thinking.

Looking forward to seeing some reviews of this shoe soon.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
The wire in Nadal's shoe isn't the main selling feature of the shoe. It is a feature intended to help lockdown, but Nadal apparently felt he didn't need it. It didn't inherently change the design of the shoe itself.
The design of the shoe is different than its functional features. You clearly didn't watch the promotional video of the shoe for TW. In it the designer of the shoe literally states that "the heart of the shoe is its midsole" and goes on to explain why that is so, so your impression about what is what in this shoe is wrong. You also mix up your already mixed up statements with "selling points" by which you clearly mean "marketing", not features.


I will also have to repeat myself here, but the main feature of the shoe is the fact that it is laceless and the shoes that the pros are using are not. I have said many times that the shoes sold to customers in retail do not have to be the same as the pros for it to work, but at least use the feature that it is being retailed for. An example would be if Tsitspas needed more support or traction, Adidas could have personalized the shoe for him by tightening the weave of the material or changing the tread design to something that he liked. This personalization would have kept the feature of this shoe as its main design.
Bolded: the designer of the shoe tells us that you are wrong.

As for what they "could have" done, that really is irrelevant as it again suggests that a perfect match in the appearance should be achieved for the shoe to work as intended for its intended customer. I don't see that as being the case.



Probably no more point discussing this because we are both pretty stuck in our way of thinking.

Looking forward to seeing some reviews of this shoe soon.
I see it the same way. We will have to see what the people that buy the shoe will say about the promises that it makes.

 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Has anyone failed to mention that you will look like a dbag showing up at your local courts looking like sonic the hedgehog ? If nothing else this post illustrates that marketing works !
If that post was addressed to me, I already said in this thread that I think that the shoe is ugly and I don't intend to buy it, so, again, if it was addressed to me that is not "it".

 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
a sneaker guy and I’m curious about them too, but my foot is more of a Nike foot. Loving the vapor cage right now.
My foot too, hence narrow Barricades were ace, however the SoleCourt just soooo wide!

Anyway, TW Chris has narrow feet and he say (latest vid) fit is good (tho went down to single socks)

Anyway, each shoe is 461 grams (US size 10)

& Quite a sobering thought: that 2 shoes can add up to 1kg you carry around on the court...

 
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bertrevert

Hall of Fame
The profile of the forefoot area is quite different from another recent Adidas shoe (SoleCourt), it is narrower and more pointed (unsure if you can see from this photo), and the foot sits lower in this shoe




Ok I think this photo shows that sharper narrower profile

 

ryanholi0

Rookie
I liked them till I saw the pointed toe... No thanks. The Ubersonic 3 and the CourtJam Bounce has the perfect shape toe box and roundness.
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
Quite a sobering thought: that 2 shoes can add up to 1kg you carry around on the court...
This would not be something that I want to see on my feet. It looks like an injured foot, in a cast or some sort of bandage.
:-D :-D :-D yes underneath the grey cover the strapping is a bit like strong taught elastic bandaging... preventative strapping, pre-injury! :-D
 

Sardines

Professional
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
 
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ArliHawk

Hall of Fame
I played a few sets of doubles with Stycon. It's feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
thanks for the review! Might pick up some of these in sale just to try them but am really liking the zoom vapor cage 4 right now.
 

dje31

Professional
Who are you to question my right to voice my personal opinion on a discussion board?
Not suppressing your opinion or ability to voice it. It just seems like a lot of anger and emotional investment in a pair of shoes that you'll never buy...but someone else will.

I mean, it's just a pair of shoes.

Unless you own shares of Adidas stock...
 

Sardines

Professional
thanks for the review! Might pick up some of these in sale just to try them but am really liking the zoom vapor cage 4 right now.
Well I did try the ZVC4 and didn't like the fit as much as the AC3, but they are still a good shoe. However, I didn't like the colors except the black ones. The ZVC4 has a outsole warranty and actually about the same price as the Stycon. Once I've trashed the rest of my shoes, I'll look at it again. The Stycon clay looks stylish enough for me to use as a tennis/casual shoe.
 
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
Fab review @Sardines. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
In your experience, do you think the heel drop on the Stycon is less than on Solecourt Boost?
 

Sardines

Professional
Fab review @Sardines. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
In your experience, do you think the heel drop on the Stycon is less than on Solecourt Boost?
I use a custom insole for arch support for the SCB, which is thicker than the stock insole, and I don't notice any pronounced differences. It definitely feels lower to the ground than the SCB.
 

M Pillai

Rookie
Folks who reject the shoe just by the look of it, may have to give it some time. Anything non-traditional takes a while to get accepted visually. I will concentrate on other aspects of the shoe, and just see whether the goals of the design are met or not.
 

Sardines

Professional
Played a couple more hours and the shoe doesn't feel as snug. It does still hold securely snug, but noticeably less tight, but the sensation of my feet shifting forward is there. However, I have no issue of toe jamming, just a very slight feeling of sliding forward, which is normal since it's still an elastic band and the sock liner restraining my foot, so some give is expected. I can understand why the pros would not like that feel because that feeling of movement can be distracting, especially psychologically. That said, it's a feeling and my toes didn't jam against the front. I assume the elastics will stretch more over time, especially for heavier people with thicker feet. Since I'm only using these shoes for night use only, it'll be interesting to see the longevity of these shoes. My Next Level shoes are holding up well for 1+ year with b-ball on wood courts once or twice a month.
 

barbTheOne

New User
I played a few sets of doubles with the Stycon. It feels quite a bit different from the Next Level shoe. The instep is easier to enter, and I could do it without the shoe horn.
The sunk in mid sole takes some getting used to and makes the shoe feel somewhat smaller. The stability is good, but the lateral stability isn't as good the NL, which has that big plastic piece to keep your foot from rolling.
The narrow toe box is similar to the Cage 3, but slightly more pronounced. I have a neutral size D foot and felt the shoe has minimal arch support.
Overall, I played hard to see if the shoe could keep up. The fit is snug and secure but not tight. The weight is felt in the bottom, so it does 'feel' like you're running with weights attached to the bottom of your feet, but I quickly forgot about it. The mid cut doesn't feel as secure as the NL shoe. The snug sock fit is secure, yet comfortable like the NL. It is a little warm. Cushioning is great in the heel, good in the forefoot.
Perhaps I was overly conscious of movement, but while I had the feeling of my foot sliding forward, I never felt my toes jamming into the front of the shoe. The elastic bands have a bit of wiggle as expect, but I think it's psychological.
With shoes like the Nike AZZ, I tend to have to retie the laces as the lace system shifts a little too much after a while. It reminded me most of the AC3 and FF2, which are snug and general a PITA to get into. While I'm not sure I'd wear this full time, I think night doubles when it's cooler, these shoes work very well. I really appreciate not having to do laces!
My hitting buddy wears the same size as me but has a 'meatier' foot with a higher arch, tried the shoe. Took him effort to slide into and the toe area was too small for him. I would not suggest buying your first pair of Stycon without trying them, unless you like returning shoes via shipping.
Thank you for taking time to put this together.

With all due respect as I'm new here, if you guys just dislike shoe based on it's look of it you might need to reconsider it.

I see some of you guys find it ugly, but to be honest I'm kind of fond to this new laceless style.
 
Back in 2015, adidas came out with the 9th generation barricades available to the public at large. The shoes were so good that even the pros used them, without any modification. A little later adidas also came out with the adizero ubersonic 2. Same as the barricade 9/2015 barricade, uber2 retail was so good, that pros using had no need to modify them. What adidas has nowadays is not fit for pro tennis. It came out with Uber3, SoleCourt boost, and now the Stycon. None of these models are used by pros; they even had to put Uber2's back into production because Zverev and others couldn't play with them, preferring the Uber2, players who used the SoleCourt didn't like the boost, so those too were modified to their needs. Now, the Stycon has only been out for just a few days and we are already seeing Players using BOA lacing system for their "laceless" shoes. adidas need to understand what is good for pros is also good for their retail business. Thus far, revert back to Uber2, the rest is just marketing.
Can’t agree more. Barricade 2015/2016 and Ubersonic 2 are probably best shoes in each category. Another interesting thing is back in days Tsonga was a huge fan of the barricade boost, but he doesn’t like the newest solecourt boost at all instead having a bounce version like Thiem and Tsitsipas. Adidas got the boost right in their first try on tennis shoes but after that never did as good as the first try...


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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Can’t agree more. Barricade 2015/2016 and Ubersonic 2 are probably best shoes in each category. Another interesting thing is back in days Tsonga was a huge fan of the barricade boost, but he doesn’t like the newest solecourt boost at all instead having a bounce version like Thiem and Tsitsipas. Adidas got the boost right in their first try on tennis shoes but after that never did as good as the first try...


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I didn't like the Barricade Boost, and love my SoleCourt Boost, so for me Adidas did pretty well evolving the shoe in which to put Boost. Oh, and BTW, Boost was not first put in a Barricade in a tennis shoe.That honour belongs to Adidas Energy Boost back in the 2016 season.

 
I didn't like the Barricade Boost, and love my SoleCourt Boost, so for me Adidas did pretty well evolving the shoe in which to put Boost. Oh, and BTW, Boost was not first put in a Barricade in a tennis shoe.That honour belongs to Adidas Energy Boost back in the 2016 season.

False. First adidas tennis shoes with boost was back in mid 2015 with the barricade 2015 boost, then adidas came out with the tennis energy boost at the beginning of 2016.


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I stand corrected.

Energy boost was the first one with full length boost (even though its not actually full length, about 3/4 just like solecourt boost) I think Solecourt boost is a great shoe if you have thick and wide foot. I do the think the retail version is a bit too wide for most of customers. Also the shoe is quite heavy underfoot, that’s why most pros have lighter bounce midsole instead.


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Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Energy boost was the first one with full length boost (even though its not actually full length, about 3/4 just like solecourt boost) I think Solecourt boost is a great shoe if you have thick and wide foot. I do the think the retail version is a bit too wide for most of customers. Also the shoe is quite heavy underfoot, that’s why most pros have lighter bounce midsole instead.


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Yes it was. There might be a myriad of reasons why someone would play with something and not something else, so whatever the pros are doing doesn't in any way affect the choice of the players (in real life, not whether they look up to the pros). I picked up the SoleCourt after I played in CrazyLight Boost and liked the feeling and the cushioning. I use it extensively on RA during the winter months and am pretty happy with it. I also have a wide foot, and the Barricades were not a proper fit for me. The SoleCourt Boost and the Ü3 fit me much better than the Barricades and the Ü2s, where I have to go up to a size up to be able to wear them without much trouble. About the heaviness, any recreational player will benefit more from shedding some weight to move his shoes instead of looking for that last couple of grams to shed from his shoes. There are much much higher priorities in choosing a shoe than differences like the ones we observe. At least that is the real life experience and not when nitpicking about it.

 

Sardines

Professional
A couple of PMs asked some similar questions so I'll answer here:

I've only used the Stycon for singles for 1.5 sets. Overall, the flexpoint for the forefoot is probably where the boost and PU midsole materials meet. I did switch to the Ubersonic3, so I didn't feel like an idiot for bringing 2 pairs of shoes.
The major differences:
Stycon feels more secure in the heel and ankle area, but that is a no brainer seeing how low the ubersonic3 heel instep is.
I have to use a runner's pattern to feel locked in snug like the Stycon. There is no 'give' in the laces, whereas the Stycon's elastic bands have securely allow minimal motion, and thus is more comfortable overall. This is especially true when I remove most shoes, that feeling of freedom. The Next Level were more snug than the Stycon. I hope this helps those who like snug but comfortable shoes. I don't think my tennis mind allows me to like the feel of this shoe when scrambling, even though after the game, my feet temporarily felt slight better than the Ubersonic3.
Downsides for the Stycon:
It's warm! I played in 76F weather and my socks were drenched. Switching to new socks and the Ubersonic3, I felt noticeably cooler.
 

SME

New User
I played several matches in the Stycon, and I really like that the shoe is low to the ground. Whether it is psychological or not, I feel more connected moving around the court. I have a lingering rolled ankle that is not aggravated by playing in the Stycon. In my limited play, I did not find the shoe unusually warm shoe, but it is January.
 

pasta

New User
Went on sale today (20% off) and I ordered a pair, curious to try them on but i am bit worried about their weight as I am constantly finding out that lighter shoes are much more comfortable (ie. Adizero Club vs. Adizero Ubersonic 3)
 

pasta

New User
OK, received pair today ... had a "slight" struggle putting them on but once on/off few times that was not an issue ...

too narrow for my feet and therefore they are going back to adidas ...

I did not play in them but I could not see why I could not ... they appear low to the ground but actually they are the same height off the groung as Adizero 3

Still split with the slight advantage to "novelty" ... it might take awhile to become mainstream ... failed marketing ploy ... Adidas knew it and they were just testing the market .... failed ...
 

Sardines

Professional
Well I really liked them a lot more than I thought I would. I'll disagree that it's solely marketing gimmick The Next Level shoes have been out for over a year and they are awesome. Pro ballers like Trae Young use them in NBA games. I don't think it's a gimmick but an evolution that's slow to catch on because habits are hard to break.


However, I think your experience makes the best point, that like every other shoe, not everyone's foot will fit in these shoes. I'm 5'11" and 165lbs, so the Stycon and N3xt L3v3l shoes work fine for me. My hitting buddy is 6'4 and 190+lbs, and while the same size length wise, his foot is thicker and wider than mine, and the stycon didn't fit well for him, so the shoe designers will have to design a laceless shoe for other foot types!
Went out of the clay with the black Stycon today and it works very well on the slide and the higher cut keeps the clay out a lot better than my 2.5 year old AC3.

OK, received pair today ... had a "slight" struggle putting them on but once on/off few times that was not an issue ...

too narrow for my feet and therefore they are going back to adidas ...

I did not play in them but I could not see why I could not ... they appear low to the ground but actually they are the same height off the groung as Adizero 3

Still split with the slight advantage to "novelty" ... it might take awhile to become mainstream ... failed marketing ploy ... Adidas knew it and they were just testing the market .... failed ...
 

haqq777

Legend
Is Tsisipas still endorsing them? Because he hasn't worn these since the initial match of ATP Cup, if I remember correctly. Wondering if any pro will endorse them.

For me, I ordered them, tried them on and they just aren't for me. It's a chore to get foot inside even with the provided shoehorn, run too narrow, and feel much firmer than I want at the moment. SCB plushness has ruined me.
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
Mine went back, unplayed, too much of a wrench to even contemplate playing in them.

Is exactly as you say, just habits too ingrained, the marketing cannot get past laces.

Felt like a firm grip but I have too many other things on the boil, just wanted shoes that do the do. (Hence asics gel 8.0)
 

airchallenge2

Professional
I don't think it's a gimmick but an evolution that's slow to catch on because habits are hard to break.
If it's an evolution, what are the real benefits? To me, it's like answer to a question nobody asked. It makes perfect sense on as soccer boot, as one doesn't want the laces to make contact with the ball.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
This shoe will be discontinued and gone in a few months. Even T*ts won't wear them and they made them for him.
 

Sardines

Professional
If it's an evolution, what are the real benefits? To me, it's like answer to a question nobody asked. It makes perfect sense on as soccer boot, as one doesn't want the laces to make contact with the ball.
Well I think laces hold feet too hard, and for my feet, shoe laces on the SCB are too long. My ZZs require retying after 5-6 games because the laces don't stay in position, but slip and even out.
The Stycon locks in my foot, makes me feel like I'm running around with just rubber soles under my feet. Who wouldn't want lace free slip on tennis shoes which feel secure and feel one with your feet?

Is Tsisipas still endorsing them? Because he hasn't worn these since the initial match of ATP Cup, if I remember correctly. Wondering if any pro will endorse them.

For me, I ordered them, tried them on and they just aren't for me. It's a chore to get foot inside even with the provided shoehorn, run too narrow, and feel much firmer than I want at the moment. SCB plushness has ruined me.
I couldn't care less if no pro wears them. The top pros use custom footwear, and have to promote whatever designs Adidas throws at them anyways. The Stycon is a fashion high performance tennis shoe. At least you tried them! I will say if you have a thicker, wider foot, and don't like a compression fit, then avoid it. I'd definitely would try it before I buy it, or at least ensure there is a good return policy.
Funnily enough, apparently some people in the SCB reviews say the Bounce sole is not plush enough in the forefoot.
 
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haqq777

Legend
I couldn't care less if no pro wears them. The top pros use custom footwear, and have to promote whatever designs Adidas throws at them anyways. The Stycon is a fashion high performance tennis shoe. At least you tried them! I will say if you have a thicker, wider foot, and don't like a compression fit, then avoid it. I'd definitely would try it before I buy it, or at least ensure there is a good return policy.
Funnily enough, apparently some people in the SCB reviews say the Bounce sole is not plush enough in the forefoot.
Hey, good for you if you like the Stycon. I didn't (although God knows why I haven't returned it). Honestly, I have played tennis long enough now to know what I like, and what I want to avoid and Stycon for me falls in the latter category. Did not feel as plush, and the fit was a put off to boot. The overall look and feel is just not for me.

As for Tsitsipas or ATP pros using/endorsing, it was just an observation, albeit a valid one, since they were pushing the shoe a lot. I don't think it panned out very well in that regard.

Also, SCB is Solecourt Boost which is by far the plushest tennis offering by Adidas at the moment. I think you are confusing them with SMB (Solematch Bounce), a different shoe with Bounce tech sole and not the Boost material. But regardless, having tried all three, the Stycon does not even come close to SCB and maybe barely on par with SMB when it comes to softness and cushioned feel. I think I gave in-depth reviews in Jollys thread here comparing SCB and SMB. Will probably do a review for Stycon too.
 
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