Adidas Stycon Laceless Tennis Shoe

Faris

Professional
Hey, good for you if you like the Stycon. I didn't (although God knows why I haven't returned it). Honestly, I have played tennis long enough now to know what I like, and what I want to avoid and Stycon for me falls in the latter category. Did not feel as plush, and the fit was a put off to boot. The overall look and feel is just not for me.

As for Tsitsipas or ATP pros using/endorsing, it was just an observation, albeit a valid one, since they were pushing the shoe a lot. I don't think it panned out very well in that regard.

Also, SCB is Solecourt Boost which is by far the plushest tennis offering by Adidas at the moment. I think you are confusing them with SMB (Solematch Bounce), a different shoe with Bounce tech sole and not the Boost material. But regardless, having tried all three, the Stycon does not even come close to SCB and maybe barely on par with SMB when it comes to softness and cushioned feel. I think I gave in-depth reviews in Jollys thread here comparing SCB and SMB. Will probably do a review for Stycon too.
I reviewed the solematch bounce for t dub actually (can find written review in same shoe section of forum for those who want to read)and recently got gifted a pair of Stycon by my sister. And I definitely agree with you. For me, in terms of comfort and cushioning, I would rate Solecourt boost as number one, solematch bounce as number two, and Stycon at number 3. And I don't have too wide or too narrow feet. Would rate them medium, same for arch too.

I also think laceless thing is a gimmick but perhaps a debate for another time. I can get same or better fit with many other shoes with laces. I mean how lazy do you gotta be to avoid laces? Have never had issues with laces opening up before and not like laces make the shoe feel alien on your feet.

Think of it this way; amount of time you take struggling to put feet in the Stycon, you can tie your laces 4 or 5 times over (prolly even more) :sneaky:
 

sanister

Professional
Hey, good for you if you like the Stycon. I didn't (although God knows why I haven't returned it). Honestly, I have played tennis long enough now to know what I like, and what I want to avoid and Stycon for me falls in the latter category. Did not feel as plush, and the fit was a put off to boot. The overall look and feel is just not for me.

As for Tsitsipas or ATP pros using/endorsing, it was just an observation, albeit a valid one, since they were pushing the shoe a lot. I don't think it panned out very well in that regard.

Also, SCB is Solecourt Boost which is by far the plushest tennis offering by Adidas at the moment. I think you are confusing them with SMB (Solematch Bounce), a different shoe with Bounce tech sole and not the Boost material. But regardless, having tried all three, the Stycon does not even come close to SCB and maybe barely on par with SMB when it comes to softness and cushioned feel. I think I gave in-depth reviews in Jollys thread here comparing SCB and SMB. Will probably do a review for Stycon too.
Well my two cents are that there are better shoes in the market than Stycon which I think is just something unusual Adidas wanted to bring to the tennis market hoping it might take off. From personal experience, my son got a pair and we were not impressed at all. He is a senior in high school about 5'10 and weighs 155. Narrow and slimmer feet. We ordered two pairs, one his usual size one a size bigger. He had to go bigger because even though TW said length runs true to size, it didn't. The length ran on the smaller side. The fit was good for his feet, he didn't like the compression bit but I told him it might take getting used to. He just didn't like lateral movement, support and the super low to the ground feel. Has never had any issues with his Vapors in the past except he wears them out fast. But he feels comfortable in them.

PS I am usually the last person to comment on looks but Ialso think they are ugly as hell. But take it with a grain of salt from "a boomer" lol
 
People should start differentiating between what can be objectively criticised and what is just a personal issue.

Heel slippage can be objectively criticised, too little traction can be objectively criticised, too little breathability, not enough durability, failing whatever - all of that are objective problems of the shoes.

Fit is not a problem with the shoes. Certain shoe doesn't fit you very well? Tough luck, but that is not objectively a negative concerning the shoe, the shoe is just not for your foot. Move to other shoes that fit differently, but don't say that the shoe has a problem, because it doesn't fit you.

To those that go on about what is the point of laceless shoes (or those that say that the laceless shoes are a gimmick): I can't count the number of times that I read complaints about shoelaces tearing, eyelets getting broken, shoe tongues too thin so that the shoe laces cause trouble when the player chinches them, retying of shoes regularly etc etc. All these issues could potentially be non-existent, if the laceless shoes hold the foot in a secure manner (i.e. do their job well). The concept certainly is a sound one for addressing all those problems and they are real problems, not some invention of the marketing departments. Amazing that people that say that they play, also say that laceless are a gimmick. Apparently they never had any of those issues (although I doubt it).

 

sanister

Professional
I reviewed the solematch bounce for t dub actually (can find written review in same shoe section of forum for those who want to read)and recently got gifted a pair of Stycon by my sister. And I definitely agree with you. For me, in terms of comfort and cushioning, I would rate Solecourt boost as number one, solematch bounce as number two, and Stycon at number 3. And I don't have too wide or too narrow feet. Would rate them medium, same for arch too.

I also think laceless thing is a gimmick but perhaps a debate for another time. I can get same or better fit with many other shoes with laces. I mean how lazy do you gotta be to avoid laces? Have never had issues with laces opening up before and not like laces make the shoe feel alien on your feet.

Think of it this way; amount of time you take struggling to put feet in the Stycon, you can tie your laces 4 or 5 times over (prolly even more) :sneaky:
Any chance you can link to your review?? Thanks
 

Faris

Professional
Any chance you can link to your review?? Thanks
Sure! Here it is
Unfortunately the pics are all gone since tinypic went kaput.

But yeah, agreed with what you said. The shoe didn't work out for me and yeah, I think Adidas just came with the laceless thing because they wanted to cash in on the whole Tsitsipas broken lace issue moment. But whaddayakno. He's back to his old laced shoes.

People forget that there aren't just pros or positives to removing laces, it affects the whole shoe fit and feel overall and since everyone's feet are different holding foot in a secure manner with the right fit and comfort for everyone is going to be next to impossible. Amazes me that some who allegedly play tennis and (post crap so often here it gets nauseating) don't know that.
 
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sanister

Professional
Sure! Here it is
Unfortunately the pics are all gone since tinypic went kaput.

But yeah, agreed with what you said. The shoe didn't work out for me and yeah, I think Adidas just came with the laceless thing because they wanted to cash in on the whole Tsitsipas broken lace issue moment. But whaddayakno. He's back to his old laced shoes.

People forget that there aren't just pros or positives to removing laces, it affects the whole shoe fit and feel overall and since everyone's feet are different holding foot in a secure manner with the right fit and comfort for everyone is going to be next to impossible. Amazes me that some who allegedly play tennis and (post crap so often here it gets nauseating) don't know that.
Thanks!

And LOL!
 

sanister

Professional
@sanister Let me know if you want to see pics of solematch bounce side to side with Stycon with pics of height, heel, width forefoot etc..
nah its good my friend, thanks though. For me the most suitable these days is the last version Gel Res. I'm not playing very high level tennis but they keep my feet happy
 

haqq777

Legend
Sure! Here it is
Unfortunately the pics are all gone since tinypic went kaput.

But yeah, agreed with what you said. The shoe didn't work out for me and yeah, I think Adidas just came with the laceless thing because they wanted to cash in on the whole Tsitsipas broken lace issue moment. But whaddayakno. He's back to his old laced shoes.

People forget that there aren't just pros or positives to removing laces, it affects the whole shoe fit and feel overall and since everyone's feet are different holding foot in a secure manner with the right fit and comfort for everyone is going to be next to impossible. Amazes me that some who allegedly play tennis and (post crap so often here it gets nauseating) don't know that.
Sidenote: that is a very good review of the SMB. Too bad you didn't use a different image hosting site.
 

airchallenge2

Professional
Well I think laces hold feet too hard, and for my feet, shoe laces on the SCB are too long. My ZZs require retying after 5-6 games because the laces don't stay in position, but slip and even out.
The Stycon locks in my foot, makes me feel like I'm running around with just rubber soles under my feet. Who wouldn't want lace free slip on tennis shoes which feel secure and feel one with your feet?
It sounds like you found your perfect tennis shoe and I think that's great. I still don't see the evolution part, though. Do you see instant coffee as an evolution, too? I don't. It's just another option.
 
I think Adidas just came with the laceless thing because they wanted to cash in on the whole Tsitsipas broken lace issue moment.
That is a myth. Shoes take years of development and planning to come to the market, so whatever Adidas wanted to do with these shoes, it has nothing to do with Tsitsipas' laces.

It sounds like you found your perfect tennis shoe and I think that's great. I still don't see the evolution part, though. Do you see instant coffee as an evolution, too? I don't. It's just another option.
See post #203. There are real issues caused by the laces in the tennis shoes, so, if those issues are removed because of a new design, it is a novelty that advances the functional shoe design. Your comparison is not very good.

 
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Faris

Professional
That is a myth. Shoes take years of development and planning to come to the market, so whatever Adidas wanted to do with these shoes, it has nothing to do with Tsitsipas' laces.

Believe what you want to. I'm in no mood to argue with you or buck horns with you. This isn't GPPD section (and you really aren't an authority on anything here). The shoe might have been in R&D for a while but they tried to cash in on Tsitsipas breaking his laces, watch Tsisipas Vlogs for better understanding. Good day.
 

Faris

Professional
It sounds like you found your perfect tennis shoe and I think that's great. I still don't see the evolution part, though. Do you see instant coffee as an evolution, too? I don't. It's just another option.
I agree, and as to the poster suggesting this eliminates lace issues, going shoeless actually introduces another plethora of fit with right comfort and support issues. It caters to a much smaller demographic as well. There is a reason you don't see laceless shoes everywhere and in tennis specifically.
 
The shoe might have been in R&D for a while but they tried to cash in on Tsitsipas breaking his laces, watch Tsisipas Vlogs for better understanding. Good day.
What I say is a fact. Whether they used Tistsipas or not is irrelevant to bringing the concept to the market independent from anything else. You tried to imply that they did it because of what happened with him, which is incorrect. Good day to you too.

 

Faris

Professional
What I say is a fact. Whether they used Tistsipas or not is irrelevant to bringing the concept to the market independent from anything else. You tried to imply that they did it because of what happened with him, which is incorrect. Good day to you too.

Fact? lol. You got your rebuttal as well. And learn to read and work on your comprehension skills. I didn't imply that. I didn't use complicated words, very easy to understand where I was coming from and what I said. It is ridiculous that you would make stuff up like that but expected from you who has a tendency to look for arguments. Just don't bother replying to me again.
 
Learn to read and work on your comprehension skills buddy. I didn't imply that. It is ridiculous that you would make stuff up like that but expected from you who has a tendency to look for arguments. Just don't bother replying to me again.

But yeah, agreed with what you said. The shoe didn't work out for me and yeah, I think Adidas just came with the laceless thing because they wanted to cash in on the whole Tsitsipas broken lace issue moment
Good day and don't bother to reply to me further.

 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
From personal experience, my son got a pair and we were not impressed at all. He is a senior in high school about 5'10 and weighs 155. Narrow and slimmer feet. We ordered two pairs, one his usual size one a size bigger. He had to go bigger because even though TW said length runs true to size, it didn't. The length ran on the smaller side. The fit was good for his feet, he didn't like the compression bit but I told him it might take getting used to. He just didn't like lateral movement, support and the super low to the ground feel. Has never had any issues with his Vapors in the past except he wears them out fast. But he feels comfortable in them.
I think the issue with the fit for your son isn't length, but the narrower forefoot shape. I checked my SCB and Stycon, and they are the same length internally, but obviously the toe shape is wider on the SCB, so the fit is shorter for those with wider, more even height toes, while still being D/MR.
 

sanister

Professional
I think the issue with the fit for your son isn't length, but the narrower forefoot shape. I checked my SCB and Stycon, and they are the same length internally, but obviously the toe shape is wider on the SCB, so the fit is shorter for those with wider, more even height toes, while still being D/MR.
Hes still growing so honestly I'm not sure but we've been leaning towards slimmer fitting shoes because he likes those and that's one of the reasons why we wanted to get the Stycons. It wasn't actually the sides of forefoot hurting him (which tells me it isn't the width that was the issue with his true size). It was his big toes rubbing against the toe end up front. Once he went on to a size bigger it fit him good. And he waddles in SCB those are so wide lol, doesn't wear those. He loved the Barricade 17s and 18s, to give you an idea. Didn't like the fit of wider 2019 Barricade.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
That is a myth. Shoes take years of development and planning to come to the market, so whatever Adidas wanted to do with these shoes, it has nothing to do with Tsitsipas' laces.



See post #203. There are real issues caused by the laces in the tennis shoes, so, if those issues are removed because of a new design, it is a novelty that advances the functional shoe design. Your comparison is not very good.

I think you are exaggerating the reality here...
And I think there will be more issues with this laceless thing than re-tying your laces...
On the other hand, there will always be a crowd that supports this idea, no mater how useless it is to the most...
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
It wasn't actually the sides of forefoot hurting him (which tells me it isn't the width that was the issue with his true size). It was his big toes rubbing against the toe end up front. Once he went on to a size bigger it fit him good.
That's what I'm saying. The shape of the front toe area is pointier, as mentioned by other posters. So even though there's enough length, the shape curves inward, causing rubbing on his big toe against the toe guard. I had the reverse issue with the Barricades going too oblique on the side after v4. So I moved to other brands. Forefoot width is a common reason for many to go a size up, but many don't realize the toes are susceptible to that size up rule because of how the shoe front is shaped. That is why your son can't wear the SCB yet some here love the shoe. I can wear both, but I wear TMX thorlo socks and use a thicker custom insole for arch supprt for my SCB. It still does not feel as secure as the Stycon, which I use the more thinner T1 or VCMU Thorlos.
Now that I've put over 18 hrs on hard courts, I think the outsole is just as durable as the SCB in wear, The outsole seems to have the same thickness as the SCB. They are both heavy shoes, weighing in at 459g (with my custom insole) for the SCB, and 468g for the Stycon in size 11US. These are both substantial shoes! Still the way the Stycon wraps around my foot so securely, makes me feel it's 20% lighter, more like the Zoom Zero. The Stycon sole feels stiff in the back, but it flexes at the right point for my foot, so it doesn't feel as clunky as the SCB.
My singles game day shoes will still be the AC3, ZZ or Ubersonic 3 on a hot humid day.
 
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Dean M

New User
Picked these up this weekend as Adidas is having a 25% off plus 10% creator app member. Tried them on twice now in the store and they’re growing on me. Can’t wait to train in these to see how they are.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Picked these up this weekend as Adidas is having a 25% off plus 10% creator app member. Tried them on twice now in the store and they’re growing on me. Can’t wait to train in these to see how they are.
Hmmm can't find that deal. Is this in the US?
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Unfortunately yes, at the adidas retail stores only.
Yup... picked 2 pairs yesterday night! haha Thanks for the headsup.


I think you are exaggerating the reality here...
And I think there will be more issues with this laceless thing than re-tying your laces...
On the other hand, there will always be a crowd that supports this idea, no mater how useless it is to the most...
A shoe that one can simply slip on and off in 2 seconds and then forgotten, literally is simplicity itself in wearing a shoe. As opposed to cinching and uncinching a few rows of lace, tying and untying laces, not to mention recinching laces as they shift under use.
The compression fit with elastic bands is the game changer, and those who haven't tried it, should before judging. There is stability and support that belies its naively perceived flaws. Admittedly, such 'newness' comes with healthy skepticism, but debate should not be condemnation before actual trying it. I certainly had my share of doubts when I tried the N3xt L3v3ls. The Stycon has outperformed every parameter I expected it to fail, but a little on the warm side of things.
 
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tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
A shoe that one can simply slip on and off in 2 seconds and then forgotten, literally is simplicity itself in wearing a shoe. As opposed to cinching and uncinching a few rows of lace, tying and untying laces, not to mention recinching laces as they shift under use.
The compression fit with elastic bands is the game changer, and those who haven't tried it, should before judging. There is stability and support that belies its naively perceived flaws. Admittedly, such 'newness' comes with healthy skepticism, but debate should not be condemnation before actual trying it. I certainly had my share of doubts when I tried the N3xt L3v3ls. The Stycon has outperformed every parameter I expected it to fail, but a little on the warm side of things.
I understand your point about compression fit and elastic bands. I mean it isnt for everyone, but sure. And while there might not be stability issues for you, my husband had just that. He did not feel confidence in lateral movement, so apparently the shoe does have issues varying from person to person. I'm glad it is working out for you though and for whoever chooses to play with it.

But that isn't the reason for my post. The reason is OH MY GOD, how unhappy have you been in your life with laces that you find using them such a chore? Like seriously? Tightening "few rows" of laces has never bothered me or anyone I know who plays tennis or does daily chores in sneakers. Takes seconds to re tie if you haven't tied them properly and they open. Sorry but I find your premium on "simplicity" a bit overrated here. And there are a lot of tennis shoes that feel excellent on the feet and give a similar if not more secure fit/feel. I don't think I have thought twice about laces in my Asics after I tied them. Or Nikes, or Adidas for that matter.
 
I understand your point about compression fit and elastic bands. I mean it isnt for everyone, but sure. And while there might not be stability issues for you, my husband had just that. He did not feel confidence in lateral movement, so apparently the shoe does have issues varying from person to person. I'm glad it is working out for you though and for whoever chooses to play with it.

But that isn't the reason for my post. The reason is OH MY GOD, how unhappy have you been in your life with laces that you find using them such a chore? Like seriously? Tightening "few rows" of laces has never bothered me or anyone I know who plays tennis or does daily chores in sneakers. Takes seconds to re tie if you haven't tied them properly and they open. Sorry but I find your premium on "simplicity" a bit overrated here. And there are a lot of tennis shoes that feel excellent on the feet and give a similar if not more secure fit/feel. I don't think I have thought twice about laces in my Asics after I tied them. Or Nikes, or Adidas for that matter.
The point is not whether you have problems with laces or not. The point is that the concept addresses real life issues. Whether you perceive them as serious or not is irrelevant when talking about the functionality of the shoe in that regard. To you they apparently are not, to some they are. Also, not every concept should be a groundbreaking novelty to work well and have people that will prefer it for its function.

I take issue with your wording in the sentence "apparently the shoe has issues varying from person to person". See my post above (#203) to judge whether it is a matter of the shoe having issues or people having issues with the fit (which is not the same thing).

I stumble upon constant complaints about shoe laces loosening, so what you point out as a "non-issue" is unique to your decision. It certainly is different to many many other people. Asics even introduced a new system for chinching the shoe laces in the Gel Res 8. Apparently they also think that that is an issue to some, even if you disagree. Adidas just has a different proposition about the same problem.

 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
The Stycon is certainly a well designed shoe, with excellent stability, comfort and fit, but it does have a few problems. The one size fit all approach is difficult to pull off. There's definitely a range of optimal foot volume and shapes which takes advantage of laceless system, even in the D/MR width range. The fit will get uncomfortable if someone has a foot type which stretches the band more than it's optimal range, say a very thick mid foot with high arch. That could make it feel restrictively tight, although I don't think it'll feel worse than a slightly overly tightened lace, since there is still some give in the range of elasticity.
That said, the compression snugness makes it difficult to reset the mindset of those who are used to a less restrictive fit. It's not uncomfortable, but takes a bit more time to get accustomed to that feel.
Then there are those who can't/won't/afraid to believe an elastic band can hold their feet in place in a performance shoe. I think that's why so many people dislike it without even playing hard in them. It's a weird sensation coming from non-knit laced shoes. I liked the X and Fly Knits Vapors from Nike, and the Cage 3's fit mimics that feel as well. The N3xt L3v3ls were so foreign, but I always wear a shoe out to walk about for at least 20-30 mins before using them on court. That adjusted my mind and then I had confidence in the shoe on court.

The point is not whether you have problems with laces or not. The point is that the concept addresses real life issues. Whether you perceive them as serious or not is irrelevant when talking about the functionality of the shoe in that regard. To you they apparently are not, to some they are. Also, not every concept should be a groundbreaking novelty to work well and have people that will prefer it for its function.

I take issue with your wording in the sentence "apparently the shoe has issues varying from person to person". See my post above (#203) to judge whether it is a matter of the shoe having issues or people having issues with the fit (which is not the same thing).

I stumble upon constant complaints about shoe laces loosening, so what you point out as a "non-issue" is unique to your decision. It certainly is different to many many other people. Asics even introduced a new system for chinching the shoe laces in the Gel Res 8. Apparently they also think that that is an issue to some, even if you disagree. Adidas just has a different proposition about the same problem.

 
The Stycon is certainly a well designed shoe, with excellent stability, comfort and fit, but it does have a few problems. The one size fit all approach is difficult to pull off. There's definitely a range of optimal foot volume and shapes which takes advantage of laceless system, even in the D/MR width range. The fit will get uncomfortable if someone has a foot type which stretches the band more than it's optimal range, say a very thick mid foot with high arch. That could make it feel restrictively tight, although I don't think it'll feel worse than a slightly overly tightened lace, since there is still some give in the range of elasticity.
That said, the compression snugness makes it difficult to reset the mindset of those who are used to a less restrictive fit. It's not uncomfortable, but takes a bit more time to get accustomed to that feel.
Then there are those who can't/won't/afraid to believe an elastic band can hold their feet in place in a performance shoe. I think that's why so many people dislike it without even playing hard in them. It's a weird sensation coming from non-knit laced shoes. I liked the X and Fly Knits Vapors from Nike, and the Cage 3's fit mimics that feel as well. The N3xt L3v3ls were so foreign, but I always wear a shoe out to walk about for at least 20-30 mins before using them on court. That adjusted my mind and then I had confidence in the shoe on court.
Yes, the snugness of the shoe must work for some foot types better than for others. In that regard that is no different than any other issue of fit, including for people using double socks for loose fitting shoes that otherwise fit them well, or looking for a shoe that can accommodate easily ankle braces.

I find that whole twist of the conversation about those shoes highly entertaining, as that is not even the primary feature of those shoes: the primary feature is that the shoe has a sole/midsole section that cradles the foot, giving it simultaneously low to the ground feel and stability. From what I read so far the shoes have achieved the goal of providing these two things.

 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
I find that whole twist of the conversation about those shoes highly entertaining, as that is not even the primary feature of those shoes: the primary feature is that the shoe has a sole/midsole section that cradles the foot, giving it simultaneously low to the ground feel and stability. From what I read so far the shoes have achieved the goal of providing these two things.
Well it was all designed to replace the laces and still have a very stable cushioned shoe, so those opinions aren't wrong in that aspect. The high sided cradle is why the lateral stability is so good, but some people can't believe the band will hold their foot in. That and the feeling of elastics stretching makes, while doing abrupt stops and direction changes exacerbates that disbelief.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
The point is not whether you have problems with laces or not. The point is that the concept addresses real life issues. Whether you perceive them as serious or not is irrelevant when talking about the functionality of the shoe in that regard. To you they apparently are not, to some they are. Also, not every concept should be a groundbreaking novelty to work well and have people that will prefer it for its function.

I take issue with your wording in the sentence "apparently the shoe has issues varying from person to person". See my post above (#203) to judge whether it is a matter of the shoe having issues or people having issues with the fit (which is not the same thing).

I stumble upon constant complaints about shoe laces loosening, so what you point out as a "non-issue" is unique to your decision. It certainly is different to many many other people. Asics even introduced a new system for chinching the shoe laces in the Gel Res 8. Apparently they also think that that is an issue to some, even if you disagree. Adidas just has a different proposition about the same problem.

You can take issue with whatever I said. Not going to bother. In this thread you have argued with 3 different people alone. I'm not in the least bit interested to debate with you. I said my peace. The shoe has an issue and I have come across multiple people who don't find it laterally stable enough. And with going laceless there are more fit issues that arise which have been mentioned by others above that you are choosing to ignore. Another one is the lack of ventilation. But hey, believe what you want to. The same way you come across "constant complaints" about laces, I have seen people complain about Stycons. So there.
 

Faris

Professional
You can take issue with whatever I said. Not going to bother. In this thread you have argued with 3 different people alone. I'm not in the least bit interested to debate with you. I said my peace. The shoe has an issue and I have come across multiple people who don't find it laterally stable enough. And with going laceless there are more fit issues that arise which have been mentioned by others above that you are choosing to ignore. Another one is the lack of ventilation. But hey, believe what you want to. The same way you come across "constant complaints" about laces, I have seen people complain about Stycons. So there.
He's a troll and has rightfully been called out on it in this very thread. Likes to argue for the sake of argument. Knows very well what others are saying but chooses to be thick about it. Just look at his posting history and you can tell. Anyway, about the Stycon, hey if people like it and buy it and are happy about it, good for them. I have a pair too. Not going to wear it in my matches etc, but got it just for the heck of it.
 
You can take issue with whatever I said. Not going to bother. In this thread you have argued with 3 different people alone. I'm not in the least bit interested to debate with you. I said my peace.
It is a public forum, and people discuss stuff. I can argue with as many people as I would like, as long as the discussion is civilised and the points made are sound. I certainly don't force you to even respond here to me, so ....

The shoe has an issue and I have come across multiple people who don't find it laterally stable enough.
And there are many that do find it stable enough, so apparently opinions on that matter differ too. Interesting, isn't it?

And with going laceless there are more fit issues that arise which have been mentioned by others above that you are choosing to ignore. Another one is the lack of ventilation. But hey, believe what you want to. The same way you come across "constant complaints" about laces, I have seen people complain about Stycons. So there.
I just pointed out that what you called "issue" might not be related to the shoe, but to the personal fit. I also directed you to my previous post that deals with the distinction. By the same token, you are choosing to ignore that laceless has its advantages, and that it addresses certain real life issues. As Sardines already said, many novelties are met with a dose of scepticism, just because they are novelties and people have a hard time accepting them.

As for "hot", not everyone plays on sun-baked HC in 35 degrees of hot humid weather, so, again, you need to put in perspective what you here claim. Some posters did that, and that makes their posts so much more relevant and informative. Your playing conditions may vary.

 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Yes I noticed that, and that is a deal breaker in Aus. I just got our of the really overly-hot SCB into other shoes for the very real reason of not wanting to play in puddles of my own sweat! cheers
Haha, I hope I didn't turn it into a suggestive issue that makes others think it's a boiler! It's better breathing than the SCB, but air circulation is a little more restricted due to the snug fit and higher collar, so more of the foot feels heat. I'll be replacing the SCB with the stycon, which has similarly great cushioning and more intuitive support and stability in a snug fit.
The ubersonic 3 is cooler but it's a minimalistic shoe so won't have the same support and fit.

As an aside, for those who don't like the Grey/Green colorway, the all black clay court version seems to have the same Adiwear outsole but without the exposed torsion area. It's sort of weird that's the only difference. I tried playing last night on Plexicushion with the clay version, and it felt the same. So basically it's the same shoe with the only difference is the deletion of exposed torsion bar in the outsole.
 
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tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
He's a troll and has rightfully been called out on it in this very thread. Likes to argue for the sake of argument. Knows very well what others are saying but chooses to be thick about it. Just look at his posting history and you can tell. Anyway, about the Stycon, hey if people like it and buy it and are happy about it, good for them. I have a pair too. Not going to wear it in my matches etc, but got it just for the heck of it.
I'm okay with people liking it, buying it and playing in it. Absolutely. But it is amusing to me when some try to defend something giving the weirdest of arguments. And like you said, good for those who like it. The shoe will probably be on clearance anyway.
 

haqq777

Legend
Haha, I hope I didn't turn it into a suggestive issue that makes others think it's a boiler! It's better breathing than the SCB, but air circulation is a little more restricted due to the snug fit and higher collar, so more of the foot feels heat. I'll be replacing the SCB with the stycon, which has similarly great cushioning and more intuitive support and stability in a snug fit.
The ubersonic 3 is cooler but it's a minimalistic shoe so won't have the same support and fit.

As an aside, for those who don't like the Grey/Green colorway, the all black clay court version seems to have the same Adiwear outsole but without the exposed torsion area. It's sort of weird that's the only difference. I tried playing last night on Plexicushion with the clay version, and it felt the same. So basically it's the same shoe with the only difference is the deletion of exposed torsion bar in the outsole.
Sorry but your post got my attention. Will have to disagree with you here. Solecourt Boost absolutely do not have similar cushioning as Stycon, it is far superior. SCB has Boost material and the Stycon uses more firmer Bounce. The difference is very noticeable. I mentioned this in a reply to you in last page too. Rest assured, I'm not the one to comment without trying on shoes myself and playing in them. Have both these pairs. But if I was looking for cushioning, Stycon would not even be in the top 3 offerings by Adidas at the moment. I can see how you like the compression fit, but that doesn't do much for cushioning.

For ventilation too, Stycon runs very hot, hotter than Solecourt Boosts. I mean, to be honest, shouldn't be a surprise really given the shape and compression fit leaving no breathing space for feet. And this is coming from someone who plays on indoor temp controlled courts 6 months out of a year.
 

sanister

Professional
Sorry but your post got my attention. Will have to disagree with you here. Solecourt Boost absolutely do not have similar cushioning as Stycon, it is far superior. SCB has Boost material and the Stycon uses more firmer Bounce. The difference is very noticeable. I mentioned this in a reply to you in last page too. Rest assured, I'm not the one to comment without trying on shoes myself and playing in them. Have both these pairs. But if I was looking for cushioning, Stycon would not even be in the top 3 offerings by Adidas at the moment. I can see how you like the compression fit, but that doesn't do much for cushioning.

For ventilation too, Stycon runs very hot, hotter than Solecourt Boosts. I mean, to be honest, shouldn't be a surprise really given the shape and compression fit leaving no breathing space for feet. And this is coming from someone who plays on indoor temp controlled courts 6 months out of a year.
Hey haqq, how many hours have you logged in with Stycon so far? Any difference in how shoe opens up a bit compared to say a regular shoe? A few people mentioned a bit of compromised stability, did you find any issues with it?
 

haqq777

Legend
Hey haqq, how many hours have you logged in with Stycon so far? Any difference in how shoe opens up a bit compared to say a regular shoe? A few people mentioned a bit of compromised stability, did you find any issues with it?
I have put in quite a few high level sessions with the local DII kids. Fair warning, you will be mocked a bit in the beginning so have your thick skin and game face on, lol.

The shoe has infact opened up a lil bit in the midfoot and forefoot area after drills and a few matches. The ankle part is still very snug and the overall compression feeling is still there, but there is give, for sure. I can see how people are suggesting issues about stability even though shoe rides low to the ground. You get this feeling that stopping on a dime on lateral movement is not going to be possible. But I think it might be something that needs getting used to. I mean the shoe is substantial and heavy, it isn't flimsy or anything like that. Matter of if you are willing to ditch your intuitive feel and relearn.

For me the biggest put off though is the comparatively firmer feel. Coming off Barricade Boost and Solecourt Boost, you can definitely notice a lack of cushion. If you're used to Bounce material previously from Adidas, then yeah, its not going to be that different. But even then, cushioning is not something I would brag about with this one. Also for me, it wasn't like I put on the shoe and forgot about it. I had this constant feeling of a substantial compression fit shoe on my feet. I mean don't forget, the shoe isn't light. Not exactly body and shoe being one kind of feel that you would expect.

Overall, look, no one is going to be able to tell you how the shoe will work for you. If you do decide to get it, go in with an open mind and know that going shoeless has its pros AND cons. Didn't work out for me but that's me. The only reason I'm keeping it is for novelty factor.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I understand your point about compression fit and elastic bands. I mean it isnt for everyone, but sure. And while there might not be stability issues for you, my husband had just that. He did not feel confidence in lateral movement, so apparently the shoe does have issues varying from person to person. I'm glad it is working out for you though and for whoever chooses to play with it.

But that isn't the reason for my post. The reason is OH MY GOD, how unhappy have you been in your life with laces that you find using them such a chore? Like seriously? Tightening "few rows" of laces has never bothered me or anyone I know who plays tennis or does daily chores in sneakers. Takes seconds to re tie if you haven't tied them properly and they open. Sorry but I find your premium on "simplicity" a bit overrated here. And there are a lot of tennis shoes that feel excellent on the feet and give a similar if not more secure fit/feel. I don't think I have thought twice about laces in my Asics after I tied them. Or Nikes, or Adidas for that matter.
haha, love it.
I do not understand how the world functioned and how people stayed sane with all that work around putting shoes on...and multiple times per day. yikes.

1) I am curious what happens when those elastic bands loosen up, they must over time
2) I do believe one of previous posts mentioned it became "visible" after a few sessions
3) why did they die to the pros that tested these a special lacing system (a PJ of the shoe...)?
4) What happens if the elastic system goes loose but the shoes have plenty of life left?? Any warranty?
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
I am not particularly hard and heavy on my feet and cushioning with EVA over the years has worked well. So as long as it doesn't feel harsh to me, especially in the forefoot, then it's good cushioning. The Stycon's Bounce has a lot of court feel, combined with the snug, low feel, and outstanding stability, allows for quick, clean footwork that belies its 468g weight. The SCB is bouncy in the heel no doubt, but I don't need that sort of bounciness on the heel much on court. I play mostly on my forefeet, and forefoot cushioning shouldn't be just plush but also be responsiveness and stable on abrupt stops. I can see why heel cushioning is important for those with plantar fasciitis, or pound their heels.
Sorry but your post got my attention. Will have to disagree with you here. Solecourt Boost absolutely do not have similar cushioning as Stycon, it is far superior. SCB has Boost material and the Stycon uses more firmer Bounce. The difference is very noticeable. I mentioned this in a reply to you in last page too. Rest assured, I'm not the one to comment without trying on shoes myself and playing in them. Have both these pairs. But if I was looking for cushioning, Stycon would not even be in the top 3 offerings by Adidas at the moment. I can see how you like the compression fit, but that doesn't do much for cushioning.

For ventilation too, Stycon runs very hot, hotter than Solecourt Boosts. I mean, to be honest, shouldn't be a surprise really given the shape and compression fit leaving no breathing space for feet. And this is coming from someone who plays on indoor temp controlled courts 6 months out of a year.
You've repeated many of my posted observations, which means there is at least some consensus on certain characteristics of the shoe. It is , obviously, a like or dislike issue, and also how 'adaptable' the user is to new sensations of shoe feedback. Obviously Tsitsipas and Thiem both did not enjoy new things, and if I were in their 'shoes', I'd do the same. It's my bread and butter and I can experiment when I'm done playing the tour. My original assessment of the stability was tempered, and I can say after using the shoe for a month, I'd say the shoe has outperformed expectations and
I do find the primeknit in the Stycon has better breathability than the TPU upper in the SCB. The stycon upper is basically the same material as the Ubersonic 3, and that's a very breathable shoe. Both those shoes I can feel the car ac cooling my feet when wet. I can't with the SCB as much. My guess is that more of the foot, including the ankles, are covered with the midcut construction, so that's why it feels warmer than the Ubersonic 3. What helps somewhat is using a thinner sock, since, there is already a sockliner in the Stycon. I can't do that with the SCB, because of the harder upper with slightly looser fit, so I wear thicker Thorlo socks which adds warmth.
The shoe has infact opened up a lil bit in the midfoot and forefoot area after drills and a few matches. The ankle part is still very snug and the overall compression feeling is still there, but there is give, for sure. I can see how people are suggesting issues about stability even though shoe rides low to the ground. You get this feeling that stopping on a dime on lateral movement is not going to be possible. But I think it might be something that needs getting used to. I mean the shoe is substantial and heavy, it isn't flimsy or anything like that. Matter of if you are willing to ditch your intuitive feel and relearn.

For me the biggest put off though is the comparatively firmer feel. Coming off Barricade Boost and Solecourt Boost, you can definitely notice a lack of cushion. If you're used to Bounce material previously from Adidas, then yeah, its not going to be that different. But even then, cushioning is not something I would brag about with this one. Also for me, it wasn't like I put on the shoe and forgot about it. I had this constant feeling of a substantial compression fit shoe on my feet. I mean don't forget, the shoe isn't light. Not exactly body and shoe being one kind of feel that you would expect.
 

haqq777

Legend
I am not particularly hard and heavy on my feet and cushioning with EVA over the years has worked well. So as long as it doesn't feel harsh to me, especially in the forefoot, then it's good cushioning. The Stycon's Bounce has a lot of court feel, combined with the snug, low feel, and outstanding stability, allows for quick, clean footwork that belies its 468g weight. The SCB is bouncy in the heel no doubt, but I don't need that sort of bounciness on the heel much on court. I play mostly on my forefeet, and forefoot cushioning shouldn't be just plush but also be responsiveness and stable on abrupt stops. I can see why heel cushioning is important for those with plantar fasciitis, or pound their heels.
Yes, I do understand where you are coming from. That said, my point was regarding the comparison you made with Solecourt Boost suggesting that they both have similar level of cushioning. Every time you do a split step, every lateral or forward movement etc, you aren't just using your toes or forefoot no matter how light you are on your feet. The heel takes an impact with every single movement imaginable (unless one walks and runs on tippie toes I would imagine). The Boost cushioning in Barricades and Solecourt Boosts isn't just for people with plantar fasciitis or those who pound on heels. The material enhances cushioning for the entire shoe as a whole taking away impact shocks. I can not begin to tell you how popular the Barricade Boosts were with college kids here some of who are like Energizer bunnies and so damn quick that will make a decently fit mid thirties guy like myself feel slow and old. The Boost midsole is plush yet responsive and that is why I personally like it so much. And I don't even pound my heels. Here is an old picture of my Sprint Pros just to show you how I wear out my shoes.



I felt that the Stycon, while low to the ground and with it's snug feel, lacks the plush feedback all around, not just at it's heel. And you are right, the shoe has a lot of court feel - all the more reason why I would want some cushion (catch 22, I know).

Also, I don't think I agree that Stycons feel light. I can definitely feel the shoe weight for what it actually. Same as Solecourt Boost although Solecourt Boost are a tad lighter. The shoe that actually felt light to me was the Solematch Bounce. But it's almost 3 oz lighter so that is an obvious reason right there. It also has the best ventilation out of all three in my opinion.

You've repeated many of my posted observations, which means there is at least some consensus on certain characteristics of the shoe. It is , obviously, a like or dislike issue, and also how 'adaptable' the user is to new sensations of shoe feedback. Obviously Tsitsipas and Thiem both did not enjoy new things, and if I were in their 'shoes', I'd do the same. It's my bread and butter and I can experiment when I'm done playing the tour. My original assessment of the stability was tempered, and I can say after using the shoe for a month, I'd say the shoe has outperformed expectations and
I do find the primeknit in the Stycon has better breathability than the TPU upper in the SCB. The stycon upper is basically the same material as the Ubersonic 3, and that's a very breathable shoe. Both those shoes I can feel the car ac cooling my feet when wet. I can't with the SCB as much. My guess is that more of the foot, including the ankles, are covered with the midcut construction, so that's why it feels warmer than the Ubersonic 3. What helps somewhat is using a thinner sock, since, there is already a sockliner in the Stycon. I can't do that with the SCB, because of the harder upper with slightly looser fit, so I wear thicker Thorlo socks which adds warmth.
Yes, I must have missed your review. Will go and read up. In the end, I think everyone should try and see if this would work for them. It definitely isn't for everyone but I am sure for some it will click.

Also, I think the inner lining is the reason why Stycon gets hot. You are right that it seems to share the same upper material with Ubersonic 3 (TW has some great sales on those btw, I snagged one not too long ago) and those Ubersonic 3s don't get as hot. I think that the inner lining, and obviously with ankle high raised construction with compression is the reason why Stycons run so hot. Also, for comparison, while Solecourt Boosts definitely gets hot in summers for outdoor play, I've never felt like my foot was suffocating as it does in Stycons, and I'm talking indoors here for Stycons, not even outdoors yet.

As for the Solecourt Boost, they do have TPU upper that doesn't breathe well and if you wear the Thorlos Classic (Level 3) I can see how your feet will get very hot because those Thorlos are very thick indeed.
 
I'm okay with people liking it, buying it and playing in it. Absolutely. But it is amusing to me when some try to defend something giving the weirdest of arguments. And like you said, good for those who like it. The shoe will probably be on clearance anyway.
Every shoe is on clearance sooner or later, and the new shoes that just came out from different manufacturers are already in sales (like the new "desert pack" which is barely out of the gates and is already reduced by 15%). I am not trying to "defend" anything. If I was to "defend" anything according to you, also according to you it has been "attacked". I prefer to view that matter as pointing out at the inconsistencies stemming from personal preferences, experience and, well, prejudices in this case.

 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Every shoe is on clearance sooner or later, and the new shoes that just came out from different manufacturers are already in sales (like the new "desert pack" which is barely out of the gates and is already reduced by 15%). I am not trying to "defend" anything. If I was to "defend" anything according to you, also according to you it has been "attacked". I prefer to view that matter as pointing out at the inconsistencies stemming from personal preferences, experience and, well, prejudices in this case.

Thanks, but not interested in talking to you so please don't reply to my posts because I will not be replying to you anymore. I was hoping you got the hint when I didn't reply to your past post. I don't think we have anything further to discuss and I certainly don't believe in shoving my views others throats.
 
Thanks, but not interested in talking to you so please don't reply to my posts because I will not be replying to you anymore. I was hoping you got the hint when I didn't reply to your past post. I don't think we have anything further to discuss and I certainly don't believe in shoving my views others throats.
I didn't get the hint, as you happily engaged in discussing me with another poster, so please refrain from doing that (especially if it includes snide remarks about me or my content). I will try my best to not reply to your posts either, but obviously I will reserve the right to address any remarks, like the post under mine, which is designed for nothing but flaming and trolling.

 
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haqq777

Legend

Summary: less than stellar review by TW Playtesters in the Stycon review video that came out today. They like the innovative idea sure, but 3 out of 4 complained about comfort, heaviness/bulkiness and lack of midsole cushioning. Jason and Troy started developing arch pain and Booney said Adidas definitely have some work to do as far as comfort is concerned. No apparent issues in stability for any playtester. Chris liked the shoe better than others and was okay with it in all aspects.
 
I find that whole twist of the conversation about those shoes highly entertaining, as that is not even the primary feature of those shoes: the primary feature is that the shoe has a sole/midsole section that cradles the foot, giving it simultaneously low to the ground feel and stability. From what I read so far the shoes have achieved the goal of providing these two things.
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