Admit it...Nole is not as dominant and consistent as Federer

[TMF]

Federer reached 23 consecutive slam semifinals(Nole 14)
Federer reached 10 consecutive slam finals(Nole 5)
Federer reached 18 out of 19 slam finals(Nole 7 out of 8)
Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)
Federer reached all 4 slam finals/year 3 times(Nole 1)
Federer has 3 seasons with at least 90% win/loss record(Nole 2)

 

[CYGS]

Federer reached 23 consecutive slam semifinals(Nole 14)
Federer reached 10 consecutive slam finals(Nole 5)
Federer reached 18 out of 19 slam finals(Nole 7 out of 8)
Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)
Federer reached all 4 slam finals/year 3 times(Nole 1)
Federer has 3 seasons with at least 90% win/loss record(Nole 2)

Going by Fed fans' logic, two words- weak era. At least in Djokovic's era, there have been more people who are capable of knocking Djokovic out, relatively speaking.

 

[tennisaddict]

All the more impressive because Fed did this during an era that had peak Rafa.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Federer reached 23 consecutive slam semifinals(Nole 14)
Federer reached 10 consecutive slam finals(Nole 5)
Federer reached 18 out of 19 slam finals(Nole 7 out of 8)
Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)
Federer reached all 4 slam finals/year 3 times(Nole 1)
Federer has 3 seasons with at least 90% win/loss record(Nole 2)

Well Fed till point has better accomplishments but Novak is not finished, we can compare them once they both are finished, even Fed has a chance of winning 18 and extending the lead.

 

[tennisaddict]

Players who used to be generally ranked in the 20's and 30's now have moved to top 15

- Stan
- Ferrer
- Berdych
- Gasquet
- Monfils
- Fognini
- Isner

 

[CYGS]

Players who used to be generally ranked in the 20's and 30's now have moved to top 15

- Stan
- Ferrer
- Berdych
- Gasquet
- Monfils
- Fognini
- Isner

Yes, they play better now. Hard work paid off!

 

[Bukmeikara]

Yes, they play better now. Hard work paid off!

And what about Lopez whom with no backhand reached career high at 34.

 

[CYGS]

And what about Lopez whom with no backhand reached career high at 34.

He must've improved in other areas. Good job as well!

 

[TMF]

Well Fed till point has better accomplishments but Novak is not finished, we can compare them once they both are finished, even Fed has a chance of winning 18 and extending the lead.

The streaks and numbers that Federer produces from the above list was when Roger is at Nole's current age or younger.

 

[tennisaddict]

The streaks and numbers that Federer produces from the above list was when Roger is at Nole's current age or younger.

One can say that taking more time to achieve the same thing implies that Fed is better than Novak.

If Fed took between 2003-2012 to win 17 majors and Novak needs from 2008-2018 to get 17, obviously that is not the same.

It is like taking the SAT exam 20 times to get a better score.

 

[Inanimate_object]

The toughest question in tennis right now is: "Of Federer and Djokovic, whose fans are more insufferable at the moment on TTW?"

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

The streaks and numbers that Federer produces from the above list was when Roger is at Nole's current age or younger.

I was talking about whole career, this is selecting the statistics you like , say Roger won two Slams after turning28 and Novak already has three and still looking good so his style is more suitable for every age.

 

[CYGS]

One can say that taking more time to achieve the same thing implies that Fed is better than Novak.

If Fed took between 2003-2012 to win 17 majors and Novak needs from 2008-2018 to get 17, obviously that is not the same.

It is like taking the SAT exam 20 times to get a better score.

Is that why Federer refuses to retire? That would make sense considering the number of slam finals he lost recently.

 

[TMF]

All the more impressive because Fed did this during an era that had peak Rafa.

True. Nadal is the goat on clay and during his peak year, he set a record with a 81 consecutive match wins on clay. Federer was unfortunate with having Nadal around, but at least he set the record for most match wins on grass(65) and on hard court(56). No player has ever dominate the 3 distinct surfaces as Federer and Nadal combined.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

One can say that taking more time to achieve the same thing implies that Fed is better than Novak.

If Fed took between 2003-2012 to win 17 majors and Novak needs from 2008-2018 to get 17, obviously that is not the same.

It is like taking the SAT exam 20 times to get a better score.

Friend it will be same, I for once don't think Novak is going to get 18 but if he does time will not be the factor.
It is not exam, here winning slam after 30 is difficult.

 

[CYGS]

True. Nadal is the goat on clay and during his peak year, he set a record with a 81 consecutive match wins on clay. Federer was unfortunate with having Nadal around, but at least he set the record for most match wins on grass(65) and on hard court(56). No player has ever dominate the 3 distinct surfaces as Federer and Nadal combined.

Yes together they are greater than Djokovic. Separately? Not so much.

 

[tennisaddict]

Friend it will be same, I for once don't think Novak is going to get 18 but if he does time will not be the factor.
It is not exam, here winning slam after 30 is difficult.

To Novak's fans, it is not a factor. Even with just 11 majors, they think Novak is better than Fed. So there is no need from their perspective for Novak to get to 17.

But for the neutral observer, the time taken is a factor.

If you don't believe me, check out the Graf vs Serena comparisons. Serena taking her own sweet time to get to Graf is considered a negative.

 

[mattosgrant]

The toughest question in tennis right now is: "Of Federer and Djokovic, whose fans are more insufferable at the moment on TTW?"

I don't know as a whole but nobody rivals TMF for overall douchiness.

 

[TMF]

Yes together they are greater than Djokovic. Separately? Not so much.

Nadal > Nole on clay
Federer > Nole on grass
Federer > Nole on hard court

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

To Novak's fans, it is not a factor. Even with just 11 majors, they think Novak is better than Fed. So there is no need from their perspective for Novak to get to 17.

But for the neutral observer, the time taken is a factor.

If you don't believe me, check out the Graf vs Serena comparisons. Serena taking her own sweet time to get to Graf is considered a negative.

So you think winning at 35 is easy, then why Graff retired at 30, nobody stopped her.
Winning at older age specially more than 32 is most difficult , there is a reason you will hardly find slam winner above 33.
If you want to select time then time between entry in the first major and last major should be selected .

 

[tennisaddict]

So you think winning at 35 is easy, then why Graff retired at 30, nobody stopped her.
Winning at older age specially more than 32 is most difficult , there is a reason you will hardly find slam winner above 33.
If you want to select time then time between entry in the first major and last major should be selected .

Naturally the older you get the harder it is to win.

But that is not the point. How long did it take to reach the milestone once you had it in you to win a major ?

 

[Fedeonic]

Slam wise, Nole isn't as dominant as it was Roger, but Nole's closing on he 36 straight Q in GS, he needs to reach until Wimbledon 2018 to equal that number. But overall wise, I think they're level, maybe Nole is more dominant overall than Roger.

 

[Sentinel]

Let's wait till Nole retires before we compare. He still has a long way to go.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Naturally the older you get the harder it is to win.

But that is not the point. How long did it take to reach the milestone once you had it in you to win a major ?

Again the amount of time player want.
Graff was not good enough to win more ( or let say may be 1 or 2 ) after 30, so things evens out . Graff won in less time and Serena is winning in toughest age period where 1 bad injury and you are done , see Rafa.

 

[TMF]

Slam wise, Nole isn't as dominant as it was Roger, but Nole's closing on he 36 straight Q in GS, he needs to reach until Wimbledon 2018 to equal that number. But overall wise, I think they're level, maybe Nole is more dominant overall than Roger.

He's currently at 27 straight QF, 10 more to break the record is a long time and anything can happen. Even if he did manage to break the record, Federer still has his numbers for most consecutive slam finals and semifinals.

 

[mattosgrant]

Nadal > Nole on clay
Federer > Nole on grass
Federer > Nole on hard court

Federer > Nole on hard court is in real danger of swinging the other way in the not too distant future. There is a very good chance by the end of this year Federer is inferior to Djokovic on 2 of the 3 surfaces. Nadal isn't better than Djokovic anywhere but clay anymore.

 

[tennisaddict]

Again the amount of time player want.
Graff was not good enough to win more ( or let say may be 1 or 2 ) after 30, so things evens out . Graff won in less time and Serena is winning in toughest age period where 1 bad injury and you are done , see Rafa.

Again, we don't need to over complicate this. Whether Graf had it in her to win more majors, no one knows.

But what we know is that Graf took lesser time to reach the summit. Federer has taken lesser time as well.

 

[xan]

Federer reached 23 consecutive slam semifinals(Nole 14)
Federer reached 10 consecutive slam finals(Nole 5)
Federer reached 18 out of 19 slam finals(Nole 7 out of 8)
Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)
Federer reached all 4 slam finals/year 3 times(Nole 1)
Federer has 3 seasons with at least 90% win/loss record(Nole 2)

first thing first, federer has been playing a lot longer than djokovic has. 2ndly why something has to be consecutive in order to be considered dominant or consistent?
theres no reason to nitpick stats in order to push an agenda. federer legacy speaks for itself.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Again, we don't need to over complicate this. Whether Graf had it in her to win more majors, no one knows.

But what we know is that Graf took lesser time to reach the summit. Federer has taken lesser time as well.

Nope your opinion, and you don't think Borg > Fed , what matters at last achievement. If Serena wins 23 then she has more .
And no graf don't had it past his age, she was struggling big time for last 2 years, it was a last hurrah like Sampras.

 

[CYGS]

Federer > Nole on hard court is in real danger of swinging the other way in the not too distant future. There is a very good chance by the end of this year Federer is inferior to Djokovic on 2 of the 3 surfaces. Nadal isn't better than Djokovic anywhere but clay anymore.

Exactly. It's hilarious they intentionally lumped Fedal together against Djokovic to prove their point, which is an indirect way of saying it takes BOTH of them to ensure Djokovic isn't the greatest. Fun stuff, really.

 

[Fedeonic]

Even if he did manage to break the record, Federer still has his numbers for most consecutive slam finals and semifinals.

And more titles, don't forget that, asuming he doesn't win 6 more Slams.

 

[zeekhoe]

All the more impressive because Fed did this during an era that had peak Rafa.

considering that he wouldn't have met peak rafa until the finals in most of these tournaments anyway, what does that have to do with it?

 

[CYGS]

considering that he wouldn't have met peak rafa until the finals in most of these tournaments anyway, what does that have to do with it?

Good point, but I can't see any great comeback from him but insults.

 

[tennisaddict]

considering that he wouldn't have met peak rafa until the finals in most of these tournaments anyway, what does that have to do with it?

Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)

 

[CYGS]

Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)

This first one is tough to beat, but going by Fed fans' logic, it's weak era.
The second one though is not a safe record at all. If Djokovic manages to get another three-slam year or even CYGS, then boom, many Fed fans would cry like babies.

 

[tennisaddict]

Nope your opinion, and you don't think Borg > Fed , what matters at last achievement. If Serena wins 23 then she has more .
And no graf don't had it past his age, she was struggling big time for last 2 years, it was a last hurrah like Sampras.

If Novak wins 18, then that is a fair point. But my premise is on the basis if both end up at 17. (post #10)

 

[tennisaddict]

This first one is tough to beat, but going by Fed fans' logic, it's weak era.
The second one though is not a safe record at all. If Djokovic manages to get another three-slam year or even CYGS, then boom, many Fed fans would cry like babies.

It cannot be weak era as it had peak Rafa.

As regards second, we can only talk about what has happened. Not hypotheticals

 

[CYGS]

It cannot be weak era as it had peak Rafa.

As regards second, we can only talk about what has happened. Not hypotheticals

2011 had peak Nadal too. All Fed had was Baby Nadal. 2nd point is fair. Let's wait until they both retire and compare.

 

[tennisaddict]

With the contrast that is there between AO and USO, even with the slowed down courts, it is meaningless to lump them together to show as though Novak has achieved as much as Fed on HC.

USO is medium to fast HC while AO is as slow as clay. 2 totally different surfaces if you ask me. Hence you don't find the players having similar success between the two, unless you happen to be Rogi.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

At the end of the day, who phucken cares? Both are all time great players and both players have achieved impressive numbers.

Can we just accept the way both have achieved phenomenally and leave it as it is?

 

[Doflamingo]

Federer holds 237 consecutive weeks at #1(Nole 83)
Federer won 3 slams/year 3 times(Nole 2)

Don't know about you but winning 3 slams in a single season is rare itself and Novak being the only 2nd player to achieve multiple 3 slam seasons is impressive. ​

 

[MichaelNadal]

So this is what it took to get Fed fans to target Ultron I have to admit I love it.

 

[tennisaddict]

Don't know about you but winning 3 slams in a single season is rare itself and Novak being the only 2nd player to achieve multiple 3 slam seasons is impressive. ​

No doubt about it. Winning 3 slams and reaching the final of the 4th is simply phenomenal.

 

[The Fedfather]

Federer > Nole on hard court is in real danger of swinging the other way in the not too distant future. There is a very good chance by the end of this year Federer is inferior to Djokovic on 2 of the 3 surfaces. Nadal isn't better than Djokovic anywhere but clay anymore.

How so?

 

[tennisaddict]

How so?

Logic is stronghold of Novak fans.

Novak at 0 RG is better than Fed on clay.

Novak with 10 or 11 majors is better than Fed at 17.

Combine slow HC with Fast HC and tell Novak is better than Fed on HC .

And finally Novak will be better than Fed on grass as well since Fed's main grass competitor is Rafa who is actually a very poor grass player as evidenced by 4 early round losses.

 

[mattosgrant]

How so?

If Djokovic wins RG this year most will rank him over Federer on clay (particularly if as expected Federer isn't in the finals, and Djokovic wins atleast 1 more Masters). Federer would have 1 more RG final, but hasn't won either Monte Carlo or Rome while Djokovic will have all the important clay titles, more Masters titles as well but the main thing is the variety.

On hard courts well if Djokovic ends the year with 9 hard court slams and 6 WTF titles just like Federer it will be very close between them on hard courts too. Djokovic would probably be ahead in hard court Masters, but Federer would have slightly more balanced (4/5 vs 6/3) at the hard court slams. Both have a lot of additional slam finals and semis.

 

[djokerer]

All the more impressive because Fed did this during an era that had peak Rafa.

What's Fed Rafa h2h in slams? 9-2 or 9-3?
Yeah it's more like he won by escaping peak Rafa.
Lol

 

[tennisaddict]

What's Fed Rafa h2h in slams? 9-2 or 9-3?
Yeah it's more like he won by escaping peak Rafa.
Lol

True, But it was only against 1 player.

It is not as bad as Djokovic who was beaten like a step child by Fed , Rafa and Roddick and had to wait for them to decline to start winning majors.

 

[The Fedfather]

If Djokovic wins RG this year most will rank him over Federer on clay (particularly if as expected Federer isn't in the finals, and Djokovic wins atleast 1 more Masters). Federer would have 1 more RG final, but hasn't won either Monte Carlo or Rome while Djokovic will have all the important clay titles, more Masters titles as well but the main thing is the variety.

On hard courts well if Djokovic ends the year with 9 hard court slams and 6 WTF titles just like Federer it will be very close between them on hard courts too. Djokovic would probably be ahead in hard court Masters, but Federer would have slightly more balanced (4/5 vs 6/3) at the hard court slams. Both have a lot of additional slam finals and semis.

Oh, see there. When you add up some facts and numbers you start to make more rational conclusions. As for clay, the H2H is 4-4 as of now. Masters, let's see. We have Monte-Carlo (Djokovic 2- Federer 0), Madrid Open (Djokovic 1 - Federer 3) and Rome (Djokovic 4 - Federer 0). A 4 Masters titles lead for Djokovic is a very strong argument in his favor. The variety... I'm not sure what variety has to do with anything when talking about clay. Anyway, Roger has a RG title to his name and a famous victory over Djokovic in 2011 RG SF which I believe to be peak Roger vs peak Novak on clay. Having watched this match, it's difficult for me to see how Roger is inferior to Novak on clay when both are at their best.

 

[SpinToWin]

So this is what it took to get Fed fans to target Ultron I have to admit I love it.

TMF is no fan, he's an insufferable fanatic.