Adriano Panatta says : "Roger is still the GOAT despite Novak's 23 slams ..."

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Panatta, who himself won the French Open in 1976, expressed his belief that Federer’s greatness extends beyond mere statistics and aesthetics. He emphasized that tennis is a dynamic sport, constantly evolving with changes in equipment, court surfaces, playing styles, and other factors. Panatta is the only player who defeated Björn Borg at Roland Garros and he did it twice.

In an interview by Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, reported by MSN, Panatta said, “Nothing changes for me: Roger Federer is the greatest. It’s not just a question of aesthetics”. He further asserted, ” And not even of statistics, which they like so much but leave the time they find.”“Let me explain better: Borg in the few years he has played concentrated more Grand Slam victories than Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer combined,” Panatta points out. He suggests that instead of crowning a single player as the GOAT, each tennis great should be celebrated for dominating their respective historical periods. Panatta argues that comparisons between eras do not hold much significance either.
During the same interview, Panatta further emphasizes the futility of trying to determine a singular GOAT in tennis. “They are all great,” he states. “There is no greatest.” He highlights the sport’s constant evolution, where changes in rackets, courts, balls, and playing styles make direct comparisons challenging.

via Reuters

“Djokovic says he’s the best? I propose that we deal with it,” Panatta challenged. By encouraging a focus on appreciating and respecting the achievements of all tennis greats, Panatta aims to move beyond the fruitless GOAT debate and promote a deeper understanding of the sport’s evolution.

‘Nothing Changes for Me’ - Despite Novak Djokovic’s Historic Feat, Italian Tennis Legend Sings Roger Federer’s Praises as He Refuses to Put the G.O.A.T Debate to Rest - EssentiallySports

Tennis legend Adriano Panatta asserts that Roger Federer is the GOAT, despite Novak Djokovic's 23 Slams, as he argues the nature of the sport.

www.essentiallysports.com

How stupid!
"There is no greatest."
"Roger Federer is the greatest."
"Borg in the few years he has played concentrated more Grand Slam victories than Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer combined."
Hell no. It took Borg 8 years to win 11 GS in RG and WB only, never on hard court.
Federer won 16 GS in 8 years, 03-10, including a CGS.
Novak won 13 GS in 8 years, 11-18, including a CGS.
Nadal won 12 GS in 8 years, 06-13, including a CGS.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Go to ultimate tennis statistics and find the weighted slam count. Borg's 11 slams is around 8 real slam. While all fedal slams were harder than what they see. I have been born after Borg but this Borg everything is totally blind way of thinking. His competition in those days was not great and when he got real competition at Wimbledon, he basically retired from tennis.

Was he a coward. You decide. For me yes.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Fedal only had one period of dominance over the entire tour.

Explain 2017-18 when Fed and Nadal won 5 slams between them and Fed became the oldest #1 ever. That's not "dominance?" Of course it is and of course it clearly represents a second dominating period for them both, especially Roger.

 

[ibbi]

Panatta aims to move beyond the fruitless GOAT debate and promote a deeper understanding of the sport’s evolution.

Spoken like a true GOAT-slayer. Keep dreaming the good dreams, king.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

There will always be a few exceptions of course. But from what I'm hearing on Eurosport, ESPN and other channels, most former players or tennis specialists were saying Djokovic is the Goat before this RG. The majority of Fedal fans commenting on Youtube also acknowledge that Djokovic is the greatest.

Unless you consider "popularity" as a significant criteria, this is no longer up to debate.
29>26>23
23>22>20
388>310>209
7>5
38>36>28
30>29 and 27>23
1 NCYGS > 0 NCYGS
3 CGS > 0 TCS
2 DCM > 0 DCM

In a couple of decades from now, nobody will care that some players had more fans than some other players. Only the numbers and records will matter.

I agree and i recognize every number and abbreviation you put there, except this - 29>26>23 - wth is this? combination of slams, ATP finals and olympics or what? cuz that's the only way this make sense to me...

 

[TMF]

Things you learn at TTW:

If anyone doesn't kiss Djokovic ***, he's a hater,
but if anyone think Djokovic is #1, he's an objective person

 

[Mainad]

So Panatta is a hater of Novak ?

Would seem so. I had to laugh when he said it's nothing personal but Djokovic is really unpleasant. Sounds pretty personal to me!!!

 

[T007]

Panatta, who himself won the French Open in 1976, expressed his belief that Federer’s greatness extends beyond mere statistics and aesthetics. He emphasized that tennis is a dynamic sport, constantly evolving with changes in equipment, court surfaces, playing styles, and other factors. Panatta is the only player who defeated Björn Borg at Roland Garros and he did it twice.

In an interview by Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, reported by MSN, Panatta said, “Nothing changes for me: Roger Federer is the greatest. It’s not just a question of aesthetics”. He further asserted, ” And not even of statistics, which they like so much but leave the time they find.”“Let me explain better: Borg in the few years he has played concentrated more Grand Slam victories than Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer combined,” Panatta points out. He suggests that instead of crowning a single player as the GOAT, each tennis great should be celebrated for dominating their respective historical periods. Panatta argues that comparisons between eras do not hold much significance either.
During the same interview, Panatta further emphasizes the futility of trying to determine a singular GOAT in tennis. “They are all great,” he states. “There is no greatest.” He highlights the sport’s constant evolution, where changes in rackets, courts, balls, and playing styles make direct comparisons challenging.

via Reuters

“Djokovic says he’s the best? I propose that we deal with it,” Panatta challenged. By encouraging a focus on appreciating and respecting the achievements of all tennis greats, Panatta aims to move beyond the fruitless GOAT debate and promote a deeper understanding of the sport’s evolution.

‘Nothing Changes for Me’ - Despite Novak Djokovic’s Historic Feat, Italian Tennis Legend Sings Roger Federer’s Praises as He Refuses to Put the G.O.A.T Debate to Rest - EssentiallySports

Tennis legend Adriano Panatta asserts that Roger Federer is the GOAT, despite Novak Djokovic's 23 Slams, as he argues the nature of the sport.

www.essentiallysports.com

Yeah he knows Fed haters will be salty as hell. But he voiced the opinion of majority of people who follow tennis closely.

 

[initialize]

GOAT = greatest of ALL time.

This means past, present, and future.

Fed was given this title first, and so shall his GOAT status forever remain

 

[cortadew]

GOAT = greatest of ALL time.

This means past, present, and future.

Fed was given this title first, and so shall his GOAT status forever remain

Sampras and Laver received the status before so your logic makes no sense.

 

[Mustard]

Guys what happened to 20>17>12 I am so confused

Isner vs. Anderson happened on that Friday 13th July 2018.

 

[Mustard]

Would seem so. I had to laugh when he said it's nothing personal but Djokovic is really unpleasant. Sounds pretty personal to me!!!

Panatta was very unimpressed with Djokovic during the Covid situation and the Australian deportation stuff.

 

[jm1980]

If anyone doesn't kiss Djokovic ***, he's a hater,

That's not what makes him a hater. What makes him a hater is claiming Novak faked an injury at the AO, or saying he is "really unpleasant"

Adriano Panatta claims Novak Djokovic faked injury at the Australian Open to trick players

Adriano Panatta, the Italian tennis legend and winner of the 1976 French Open, has launched a scathing attack on Novak Djokovic after his 2023 Australian

firstsportz.com

Adriano Panatta: "Novak Djokovic is really unpleasant"

During the show: Un Giorno da Pecora, broadcast on Italian Radio Rai Uno, the legend of Italian tennis Adriano Panatta talked about many issues, in particular commenting on his thoughts on the Big Three

www.financial-world.org

I'm not biased, no. I promise you I'm not. This guy's opinion is worth about as much as any troll on the internet.

 

[icazares]

I think he has a point. Think about volleys and generally speaking, the game at the net. Sampras and Federer have extraordinary skills at the net, say 1-5 percentile among the top 100. Nadal improved so much during the last 10 years that he probably joined that top group. Djokovic, however, is much more limited. He's probably in the top half (any stats available?) but not much higher than that. The point is not that Federer or Nadal are better players than Djokovic. Perhaps more well rounded. The point is that players adapt to the changes in the game, and without a normalized baseline, it's very hard to discuss who's best if the players are more than a few years (3?) apart.

 

[Holmes]

-Says Federer is the greatest
-Says there is no greatest and we should accept them all

 

[jm1980]

I think he has a point. Think about volleys and generally speaking, the game at the net. Sampras and Federer have extraordinary skills at the net, say 1-5 percentile among the top 100. Nadal improved so much during the last 10 years that he probably joined that top group. Djokovic, however, is much more limited. He's probably in the top half (any stats available?) but not much higher than that.

Djokovic's net numbers are pretty good and a highly underrated part of his game. Nadal's numbers are good, but the caveat is that he rarely ever takes any risks going forward. Rafa comes in to finish off easy volleys, so his numbers have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. He comes to the net about half as often as Fed does

	Net points won %	Net points as % of all points
Federer	70.2%	16.6%
Nadal	75.5%	8.6%
Djokovic	71.0%	11.7%

 

[daddy]

Adriano Panatta

This is all you need to know, the author's name.

 

[FRV4]

Adriano is in my intangibles discord club. Join now if you want 10% off.

bro it's crazy how many well known ppl you meet on discord.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

Reminder that Federer could have avoided all this rigmarole by simply closing out 40-15 on three different occasions.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

GOAT = greatest of ALL time.

This means past, present, and future.

Fed was given this title first, and so shall his GOAT status forever remain

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on TTW.
We all know some of the Fedb0ts are not too smart, but that sentence really sets the new boundaries.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think he has a point. Think about volleys and generally speaking, the game at the net. Sampras and Federer have extraordinary skills at the net, say 1-5 percentile among the top 100. Nadal improved so much during the last 10 years that he probably joined that top group. Djokovic, however, is much more limited. He's probably in the top half (any stats available?) but not much higher than that. The point is not that Federer or Nadal are better players than Djokovic. Perhaps more well rounded. The point is that players adapt to the changes in the game, and without a normalized baseline, it's very hard to discuss who's best if the players are more than a few years (3?) apart.

If Nadal is so more versatile then how come he has more than 1 decade to win 2 slams. Last Wimby win 2010 and last real AO win 2009.

Stop your hyperboles. Novak's net game is on similar level as Nadal. And Novak's baseline game is much more aggressive than the clay courter making net transition better for Novak.

If you want to overrate someone fed can be overrated. At least his game is more effortless. Nadal has nothing over Novak.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic's net numbers are pretty good and a highly underrated part of his game. Nadal's numbers are good, but the caveat is that he rarely ever takes any risks going forward. Rafa comes in to finish off easy volleys, so his numbers have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. He comes to the net about half as often as Fed does

	Net points won %	Net points as % of all points
Federer	70.2%	16.6%
Nadal	75.5%	8.6%
Djokovic	71.0%	11.7%

Enormous. Or outright reject these numbers. Coming to the net once in blue moon on easy vollies doesn't make him the goat.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

GOAT = greatest of ALL time.

This means past, present, and future.

Fed was given this title first, and so shall his GOAT status forever remain

The levels of copium in this post are toxic.
I'm calling Erin Brockovich.

 

[icazares]

Djokovic's net numbers are pretty good and a highly underrated part of his game. Nadal's numbers are good, but the caveat is that he rarely ever takes any risks going forward. Rafa comes in to finish off easy volleys, so his numbers have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. He comes to the net about half as often as Fed does

	Net points won %	Net points as % of all points
Federer	70.2%	16.6%
Nadal	75.5%	8.6%
Djokovic	71.0%	11.7%

Where did you get this from? share please! Your point is good too- not every travel to the net is the same.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Where did you get this from? share please! Your point is good too- not every travel to the net is the same.

It's all available on ultimate tennis statistics. Numbers in 80s and 90s are incomplete but Nadal and Djokovic are just 11 months apart. All numbers are available to see.

 

[initialize]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on TTW.
We all know some of the Fedb0ts are not too smart, but that sentence really sets the new boundaries.

Stay salty, bud

 

[jm1980]

Where did you get this from? share please! Your point is good too- not every travel to the net is the same.

TennisAbstract, if you click on the players' names, it will take you to the stats page

 

[nolefam_2024]

How many times have we seen Nadal do serve and volley.

Roger Federer did it for his entire career.

Novak did until 2009 and again started since 2018. He is doing it more and more. Only blind would not see the effort.

Haven't seen Nadal matches in 2022 but has he done it regularly ever in his life.

It takes courage to go for volley after serve in baseline era. Novak has it because he hits much much better serve. And his transition game is more natural as he stays close to the baseline unlike Nadal. Or his disciples like Casper Ruud.

 

[game..set..match]

Panatta said, “Nothing changes for me: Roger Federer is the greatest.

Panatta further emphasizes the futility of trying to determine a singular GOAT in tennis. “They are all great,” he states. “There is no greatest.”

thanks Adriano....now its clear as mud.

 

[Holmes]

Roger was only the third greatest in his own era with losing head to heads against both of his rivals who thoroughly surpassed him in slams and slam versatility. How could he be the best ever when two guys he played against were better?

 

[mike danny]

Come on, Djoko fans, he is a tennis player, he knows more than all of you.

 

[Holmes]

Come on, Djoko fans, he is a tennis player, he knows more than all of you.

Sampras is also a tennis player

 

[LaVie en Rose]

Come on, Djoko fans, he is a tennis player, he knows more than all of you.

Once Mats Wilander said Djokovic is best clay court player, come one Fed fans he is tennis player 7 times GS champion he knows more than all of you.

Srsly as someone said you should be given a medal for your persistence to live in denial

 

[Holmes]

Once Mats Wilander said Djokovic is best clay court player, come one Fed fans he is tennis player 7 times GS champion he knows more than all of you.

Srsly as someone said you should be given a medal for your persistence to live in denial

The amount of salt after over 10 years of dominating the forum with Federer worship is incredible. I'm glad I've been blessed with the ability to both admire my favorite, Federer, and acknowledge those greater than him (Sampras, Nadal, etc) as well as the greatest, Djokovic.

 

[LaVie en Rose]

@Razer ,I'm still waiting

The amount of salt after over 10 years of dominating the forum with Federer worship is incredible. I'm glad I've been blessed with the ability to both admire my favorite, Federer, and acknowledge those greater than him (Sampras, Nadal, etc) as well as the greatest, Djokovic.

That's true , it's more about fedfans ego than the player himself.
Honestly he deserved better fans

 

[Holmes]

How stupid!
"There is no greatest."
"Roger Federer is the greatest."
"Borg in the few years he has played concentrated more Grand Slam victories than Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer combined."
Hell no. It took Borg 8 years to win 11 GS in RG and WB only, never on hard court.
Federer won 16 GS in 8 years, 03-10, including a CGS.
Novak won 13 GS in 8 years, 11-18, including a CGS.
Nadal won 12 GS in 8 years, 06-13, including a CGS.

Petros won 12 in 8 years (93-00) including 3 in a row from 93-94

 

[Razer]

That's nothing Novak didn't face all these years. It's consistent organized negative campaign against him.His answer is WINNING
Btw , what changed since 2 days so you got back to average TTW poster mode ?

What do you mean by average TTW poster mode?

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Come on, Djoko fans, he is a tennis player, he knows more than all of you.

Ben Bramble is a former nationally ranked junior tennis player, therefore his point of view must be correct.

 

[mike danny]

Once Mats Wilander said Djokovic is best clay court player, come one Fed fans he is tennis player 7 times GS champion he knows more than all of you.

Srsly as someone said you should be given a medal for your persistence to live in denial

I am seriously impressed that you didn't catch on the fact that my post was an irony thrown at you guys who used Roddick's words as gospel.

 

[LaVie en Rose]

I am seriously impressed that you didn't catch on the fact that my post was an irony thrown at you guys who used Roddick's words as gospel.

Oh morally superior Mike has spoken

I didn't used Roddick words as gospel though

 

[mike danny]

Oh morally superior Mike has spoken

I didn't used Roddick words as gospel though

But there were people who did. Claiming the exact same thing.

 

[Holmes]

I am seriously impressed that you didn't catch on the fact that my post was an irony thrown at you guys who used Roddick's words as gospel.

The problem is that you still haven't learned the point which is that aside from stats and achievements, expertise and experience lend greater credibility to an assessment than armchair Eyetests. Panatta's assessment does indeed carry some weight, as would Roddick's. You also have players with 7 and 14 times as many slams as him as well as a number of other Slam winners and experts who disagree with him, which lends far greater credibility to the assessment that Djokovic is the GOAT.

 

[LaVie en Rose]

But there were people who did. Claiming the exact same thing.

What did they claim?

 

[Mustard]

This is all you need to know, the author's name.

The only man to beat Bjorn Borg at the French Open.

 

[TheAssassin]

I can certainly imagine him and Pietrangeli sulking together in the nursing home.

 

[nolefam_2024]

What Novak did was brought his idol back in the game. You can only be the best in your era. Unlike Federer, Pete and Novak didn't share any era. From one era leader to the another, I pay my respects.

 

[junior74]

Pancetta

 

[big ted]

I don't get it he says no single person should be the goat then he says fedrs the greatest ...

 

[Holmes]

What Novak did was brought his idol back in the game. You can only be the best in your era. Unlike Federer, Pete and Novak didn't share any era. From one era leader to the another, I pay my respects.

Exactly. This has been apparent to true tennis fans who have followed the game for a while now, but Novak has finally proven the point beyond credible dispute. Idemo Nole, Idemo indeed.

 

[Razer]

Exactly. This has been apparent to true tennis fans who have followed the game for a while now, but Novak has finally proven the point beyond credible dispute. Idemo Nole, Idemo indeed.

Will Alcaraz follow the trend and rule his era or is it rune or someone younger ?

Laver is 18 years older to Borg
Borg is 15 years older to Sampras
Sampras is 16 years older to Djokovic
Djokovic is 16 years older to Alcaraz