Advice NG Hybrid for PureDrive2015

#1
Hello,

Im considering to chance to a hybrid with NG in the mains and a poly in the crosses.

My options for the gut are:
VS Touch 1.30 / 1.35
Tonic 1.35

Im considering the follow poly... A round one, with less string friction and a good durability and low power.

1) Head Hawk 1.25 / 1.30
2) Wilson Revolve 1.25 (1.30 not a good number for tension maintenance)
3) Head Lynx 1.25 (but I think not stiff enough and tension maintenance I dont know)
4) ????? Other options.
 
#2
Kirschbaum Max Power is very very low powered, slick, and above all one of the best of all polys in tension maintenance. If you ever plan to play with the stringjob more than a couple hours then tension maintenance should be #1 concern. Max Power holds tension almost as well as gut, giving many good playing hours. I really also liked the feel of gut/Max Power when I used it, MP nicely tames down the power of gut.
 
#3
Kirschbaum Max Power is very very low powered, slick, and above all one of the best of all polys in tension maintenance. If you ever plan to play with the stringjob more than a couple hours then tension maintenance should be #1 concern. Max Power holds tension almost as well as gut, giving many good playing hours. I really also liked the feel of gut/Max Power when I used it, MP nicely tames down the power of gut.
Which gauge are you using?
 
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#5
From my personal experience of using many, many gut/poly setups:

1. Gut/Max Power if your arm can handle it. Excellent control, pop, spin, longevity.
2. Gut/Yonex Poly Tour Pro if you have sensitive arm. Great control, pop, spin and comfort.
 

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#6
Kirschbaum Max Power is very very low powered, slick, and above all one of the best of all polys in tension maintenance. If you ever plan to play with the stringjob more than a couple hours then tension maintenance should be #1 concern. Max Power holds tension almost as well as gut, giving many good playing hours. I really also liked the feel of gut/Max Power when I used it, MP nicely tames down the power of gut.
I hear Max Power mentioned a lot but it is pretty stiff. How do you find the comfort level?
 
#7
Hello,

Im considering to chance to a hybrid with NG in the mains and a poly in the crosses.

My options for the gut are:
VS Touch 1.30 / 1.35
Tonic 1.35

Im considering the follow poly... A round one, with less string friction and a good durability and low power.

1) Head Hawk 1.25 / 1.30
2) Wilson Revolve 1.25 (1.30 not a good number for tension maintenance)
3) Head Lynx 1.25 (but I think not stiff enough and tension maintenance I dont know)
4) ????? Other options.
Isospeed Black Fire is a super slick poly that tames the power of gut mains beautifully.

It's also very cheap. Give it a go.
 
#8
I hear Max Power mentioned a lot but it is pretty stiff. How do you find the comfort level?
Comfort was never any sort of a problem. Thou when I used the gut hybrids I played with heavy racquet setups, 360+g static weight. That probably helps tame down any sort of potential arm pains.

And TBH I always felt the stringbed of gut hybrids was very buttery, regardless of what cross I had. I think it's because I tended to spin the ball a lot, be it topspin or slice. With spin shots the ball contact tends to be more brushing type, and since poly crosses allow mains to move freely, you mostly feel the free movement of the soft mains. Nowadays I hit more through the ball, I wonder how that would change my feelings on the arm friendliness of Max Power. I think the more you hit through the ball the more you feel the stiffening of the stringbed due to stiff crosses, since then the ball contact is more into the ball and not just brushing. At least that's how my logic explains it.
 
#9
Today I received my new Babolat Gut ( VS Touch 1.30 / 1.35 and Tonic Feel ) and Head Hawk 1.25 & 1.30
I want to string my racket for tormorrow for a indoor tournament. I have to play indoor on carpet with Tecnifibre Club balls.

I want to string the following setup: M: VS Touch 1.30 @ 27 kg and X: Hawk 1.25 @ 25 kg

Is this a good setup for a Pure Drive 2015
 
#10
Erik:
I have been stringing my graphite frames with various Gut/Poly hybrids and like it very much. A Pure Drive is a very powerful frame with a very power-oriented 16x19 string pattern.
Stringing a Pure Drive with Gut and Poly combination is to have the feel of gut with the control of a poly, correct?
In a 100" 16x19 Pure Drive pattern, I would string the gut at 29kg because anything less will not provide you with the level of control you are seeking.
The tension of your poly is less important but 25kg is perfect in my opinion.

Your choice of poly should be a fairly low-powered, smooth version, like Wilson Revolve. Head Hawk is perfect.

Here is the issue/problem with this setup. For three weeks or so, you are going to LOVE your racquet. Then, the poly will begin to lose its effectiveness. You will wonder what happened to the great racquet you played with two weeks ago. Your racquet will continue to play differently every day after that until you restring. The low cost solution is to leave the gut in the mains and ONLY replace the poly crosses unless you have money to throw away on new gut string job every three weeks.

I'm lucky. I string my own racquets and can do this precision cut and replace operation with little issue. Your stringer may not.
 
#11
Erik:
I have been stringing my graphite frames with various Gut/Poly hybrids and like it very much. A Pure Drive is a very powerful frame with a very power-oriented 16x19 string pattern.
Stringing a Pure Drive with Gut and Poly combination is to have the feel of gut with the control of a poly, correct?
In a 100" 16x19 Pure Drive pattern, I would string the gut at 29kg because anything less will not provide you with the level of control you are seeking.
The tension of your poly is less important but 25kg is perfect in my opinion.

Your choice of poly should be a fairly low-powered, smooth version, like Wilson Revolve. Head Hawk is perfect.

Here is the issue/problem with this setup. For three weeks or so, you are going to LOVE your racquet. Then, the poly will begin to lose its effectiveness. You will wonder what happened to the great racquet you played with two weeks ago. Your racquet will continue to play differently every day after that until you restring. The low cost solution is to leave the gut in the mains and ONLY replace the poly crosses unless you have money to throw away on new gut string job every three weeks.

I'm lucky. I string my own racquets and can do this precision cut and replace operation with little issue. Your stringer may not.
Hi MarK, thanks for your post with your advice.

First of all I string my own racquets, so its possible to restring only the crosses. I've never done that before... Is it easy to do. My knots are the Wilson Pro Knot so I think its easy to remove the old crosses.

How often you chance the crosses before removing the NG?
 
#12
Glad to hear you can restring only the crosses too. Amazingly, I can restring the crosses up to five times before the gut begins to look tired. As a fellow stringer, restringing gut doesn't require taking out a bank loan, so you can replace the gut as often as you like.
 
#13
I hear Max Power mentioned a lot but it is pretty stiff. How do you find the comfort level?
I have used max power rough as a cross and even this combo is too tough on my arm after it settled in. It just feels weird to me, felt much better with alu rough as a cross, didnt get harsh with age. Might have just been too high but I was at 55/50 in a 96 open pattern frame. I played 48/45 with gut alu and although too powerful it was nowhere near the same feeling, even long after the poly was dead.

I would suggest to try experimenting with tensions and different cross strings. Maybe with a multi main first to save on price and weed out the polys that dont suit you.

I also agree with @mark b. about the poly choices, try head hawk and revolve as they are among the favourites with posters here. I would also try something like Yonex Poly Tour Pro or RS Lyon as soft alternatives that still have good life. Other options could be other kirschbaum strings like PLE or even Solinco Hyper G (bryan bros rocking this combo).

Unfortunately no one here can give you a definitive answer. What is harsh to me might be really soft for you, different strokes for different folks.
 

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#14
I've had some luck with VS/Cream. Good comfort, spin, controllable power.
Legend/Cream offered a softer feel but more power.
Gonna try Legend/Cream again with thicker gut (16g vs 17g) and up the poly tension a bit.
57/53-->58/54 to tone down the power a smidge.

Cream is a soft poly that has good tension maintenance.
 

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#15
I have used max power rough as a cross and even this combo is too tough on my arm after it settled in. It just feels weird to me, felt much better with alu rough as a cross, didnt get harsh with age. Might have just been too high but I was at 55/50 in a 96 open pattern frame. I played 48/45 with gut alu and although too powerful it was nowhere near the same feeling, even long after the poly was dead.

I would suggest to try experimenting with tensions and different cross strings. Maybe with a multi main first to save on price and weed out the polys that dont suit you.

I also agree with @mark b. about the poly choices, try head hawk and revolve as they are among the favourites with posters here. I would also try something like Yonex Poly Tour Pro or RS Lyon as soft alternatives that still have good life. Other options could be other kirschbaum strings like PLE or even Solinco Hyper G (bryan bros rocking this combo).

Unfortunately no one here can give you a definitive answer. What is harsh to me might be really soft for you, different strokes for different folks.
I am currently using Revolve and it is a good cross with gut. As it wears it does become a little too lively though and I will cut out the crosses after about 15 hours.
If I could find something that I didn't have to cut out that would be great.

If I do try Max Power I will probably string a little lower then Revolve. For now I decided I should use up my Revolve first since cutting out method works.
 
#16
Yesterday I've played my first 2 matches with the VS Touch 16 / Hawk 17 @ 26,5 / 25 kg.

What a excellent feeling. It played very soft comparing a FB of poly. Im gonna test how long it last 15 - 20 hours.
After cutting out the crosses I'm gonna turn the racket and string the NG one more time with a fresh poly.

And maybe a new test. Is a NG with Head Velocity 16 a good combo?
 
#17
Yesterday I've played my first 2 matches with the VS Touch 16 / Hawk 17 @ 26,5 / 25 kg.

What a excellent feeling. It played very soft comparing a FB of poly. Im gonna test how long it last 15 - 20 hours.
After cutting out the crosses I'm gonna turn the racket and string the NG one more time with a fresh poly.

And maybe a new test. Is a NG with Head Velocity 16 a good combo?
Not sure about Velocity, but if you like the Hawk cross (White or silver) and want a slightly softer ride, try Revolve. Great tension maintenance, just as slick and like Hawk, resists denting for the practical life of the string. I think Revolve has a bit more power, a bit less control and a bit softer feel than Hawk as a cross.
 
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#19
Yesterday I've played my first 2 matches with the VS Touch 16 / Hawk 17 @ 26,5 / 25 kg.

What a excellent feeling. It played very soft comparing a FB of poly. Im gonna test how long it last 15 - 20 hours.
After cutting out the crosses I'm gonna turn the racket and string the NG one more time with a fresh poly.

And maybe a new test. Is a NG with Head Velocity 16 a good combo?
NG/Velocity is a bad setup compared to NG/poly. Much less spin and control.
You will find that NG/multifilament setup plays nothing like NG/poly.
 
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