Advice on an Older Head Youtek Instinct MP vs LM Instinct

BHold81

Rookie
Hi,I have been playing with a Head Liquidmetal MP, and it feels like I finally found the perfect fit for me. Problem is my elbow is killing me with the LM. So, I was thinking I would try the Youtek MP (gold) version. Has anyone hit both? I was hoping the Youtek would hit similar, but without the pain I'm getting wit the LM. Thanks!
 

esgee48

Legend
String? Tension? Pain on BH or FH? I would look at these 3 factors before changing frames. There are many variables which can contribute to a 'tennis elbow', but to determine which is the root cause should not start with a new frame.
 

BHold81

Rookie
String? Tension? Pain on BH or FH? I would look at these 3 factors before changing frames. There are many variables which can contribute to a 'tennis elbow', but to determine which is the root cause should not start with a new frame.
Oh, I agree. I’ve tried multiple strings and tensions. Even a full bed of multifilament will hurt. It feels fine during the match. It’s just very sore later for quite a while. I’m not the only one who has had arm issues with Liquidmetals
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
I am also interested in how the Youtek and Microgel Instincts match up

Are they close to the Graphenes in feel? (Yuck)

Or do they play close to the Liquid Metals? Which I also believe they were true 98"
 

BHold81

Rookie
I am also interested in how the Youtek and Microgel Instincts match up

Are they close to the Graphenes in feel? (Yuck)

Or do they play close to the Liquid Metals? Which I also believe they were true 98"
Well, the Youtek Instinct was the last version with an 18x19 pattern. So it will be somewhat similar to the LM, flexpoint, and microgel. Though I’ve never hit with those two either.
 

NickShot

Rookie
I just got a youtek instinct. It is pretty stiff. I read in another thread that LM is the softest version.

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BHold81

Rookie
I’ve played with stiffer racquets before and been fine. I’ve read there’s some about the Liquidmetal technology that bothers some people’s arms. The specs of the LM instinct are great, and it shouldn’t hurt, but it does.
Have you hit with the Youtek instinct yet? If so, how is it? And it is the gold and black one, right? Not the blue Youtek ig
 

NickShot

Rookie
It's orange but should be the same as the gold one. I think it's a limited euro pj.
My arm feels fine after playing it and I have had elbow problems in the past. It has good power, good for hitting a hard, flat ball, not so much a loopy, spinny ball. Slice is the stand out for me, great control and penetration.
I feel the stiffness of it, makes the racket a bit too lively, would like more of a pocketing feel. I use a hybrid stringjob zx/poly, full poly might help with the lively feel.
 

BHold81

Rookie
It's orange but should be the same as the gold one. I think it's a limited euro pj.
My arm feels fine after playing it and I have had elbow problems in the past. It has good power, good for hitting a hard, flat ball, not so much a loopy, spinny ball. Slice is the stand out for me, great control and penetration.
I feel the stiffness of it, makes the racket a bit too lively, would like more of a pocketing feel. I use a hybrid stringjob zx/poly, full poly might help with the lively feel.
I checked the stiffness. It is pretty high, but I’ll give it a shot if I can run across a good deal or make a trade.
Thanks for the feedback
 

BHold81

Rookie
I just got a youtek instinct. It is pretty stiff. I read in another thread that LM is the softest version.

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I was on the TW racquetfinder, and apparently it's the blue IG Youtek that has a high stiffness. It rates the regular 18x19 Youtek at 63 RA.
 

naturallight

Semi-Pro
Wow, I thought I was the only one! I tried out a LM Instinct, totally fried my shoulder. Was really confused because the stiffness is supposed to be like 63-64, which is less than my current racquet (had exact same strings in both). It does have a higher SW than I'm used to. So I got a used MG Instinct (slightly lighter SW), same result.

I really like the way they play. The 18x19 on a 100sq is a really nice combination of control, spin, power. Big sweet spot too. They definitely don't feel soft or plush though.

I have thought about trying them in a NG/poly hybrid. We'll see.
 

BHold81

Rookie
Wow, I thought I was the only one! I tried out a LM Instinct, totally fried my shoulder. Was really confused because the stiffness is supposed to be like 63-64, which is less than my current racquet (had exact same strings in both). It does have a higher SW than I'm used to. So I got a used MG Instinct (slightly lighter SW), same result.

I really like the way they play. The 18x19 on a 100sq is a really nice combination of control, spin, power. Big sweet spot too. They definitely don't feel soft or plush though.

I have thought about trying them in a NG/poly hybrid. We'll see.
Yeah, I really want to try the Youtek version, but don't want to waste my money.
 

NickShot

Rookie
I was on the TW racquetfinder, and apparently it's the blue IG Youtek that has a high stiffness. It rates the regular 18x19 Youtek at 63 RA.
To me it feels more like 66-67, but could be because I have a limited version or it is some kind of reissue.
 

BHold81

Rookie
To me it feels more like 66-67, but could be because I have a limited version or it is some kind of reissue.
It’s hard to tell online, and get any constant answer. TW says 63 while one of the other sites (express) has an old page up that says 69.
 

darkhorse

Semi-Pro
If you're looking for the "old" instinct, you'll probably have better luck finding the Microgel version (a reissue is available somewhere without a whole lot of searching). I never noticed a big variation on models so I don't think the Youtek would be all that different from the LM in terms of feel. I went from Flexpoint to Microgel and it was basically identical (FXP has liquidmetal in it, for what that's worth).

As far as stiffness, specs say it's on the stiffer side (MG is 66) but it never gave me trouble. Your mileage will vary there obviously. I used the MG for many years, and one thing I noticed was it seemed pretty sensitive to string selection, so if you have a stiffer string setup that might be part of the issue. I ended up with a co-poly/syn gut hybrid with no arm issues.
 

BHold81

Rookie
If you're looking for the "old" instinct, you'll probably have better luck finding the Microgel version (a reissue is available somewhere without a whole lot of searching). I never noticed a big variation on models so I don't think the Youtek would be all that different from the LM in terms of feel. I went from Flexpoint to Microgel and it was basically identical (FXP has liquidmetal in it, for what that's worth).

As far as stiffness, specs say it's on the stiffer side (MG is 66) but it never gave me trouble. Your mileage will vary there obviously. I used the MG for many years, and one thing I noticed was it seemed pretty sensitive to string selection, so if you have a stiffer string setup that might be part of the issue. I ended up with a co-poly/syn gut hybrid with no arm issues.
Thanks for the feedback. I have used everything but gut in the racquet. The multifilament is better than using poly, but it still hurts. Did you experience any arm pain with the LM version? I have played with other “stiffer” racquets before, and have never had this issue. Some people claim it is the Liquidmetal technology that causes some people arm pain. Sounds unlikely, and I wouldn’t normally believe it, but it’s happening. I’ve hit with two other LM racquets, and they all had some discomfort. Even one with a 57 RA. But the instinct is by far the worst.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Yes, the liquid medal radical mp was in the 50s I think. Still jammed my elbow up bad. I just always thought that it was because I was just getting back into the game (many years ago)but the minute I switched, everything got better. Really weird.
 

darkhorse

Semi-Pro
I didn't use the LM version extensively so I can't speak to that. but the Microgel never gave me any trouble as far as arm pain goes.

Thanks for the feedback. I have used everything but gut in the racquet. The multifilament is better than using poly, but it still hurts. Did you experience any arm pain with the LM version? I have played with other “stiffer” racquets before, and have never had this issue. Some people claim it is the Liquidmetal technology that causes some people arm pain. Sounds unlikely, and I wouldn’t normally believe it, but it’s happening. I’ve hit with two other LM racquets, and they all had some discomfort. Even one with a 57 RA. But the instinct is by far the worst.
 

BHold81

Rookie
Yes, the liquid medal radical mp was in the 50s I think. Still jammed my elbow up bad. I just always thought that it was because I was just getting back into the game (many years ago)but the minute I switched, everything got better. Really weird.
I have been reading into it today. Most of the time I think all the new technology claims are ridiculous. The LM description says it not only reinforces the racquet at those four spots for stability, but it claims the Liquidmetal hold vibration longer to transfer more energy to the ball. Hell, maybe that has something to do with it. You and I are just sensitive to the Liquid metal’s power haha. Like kryptonite
 

etd

Rookie
Hi. I have 3 versions of the gold Instincts - Liquidmetal, Microgel, and Youtek. The Youtek (~310) has much lower swingweight than the Liquidmetal (~330). The Microgel's swingweight (~320) is between the 2 of them.

I would say the Microgel and Youtek are more similar to each other. The Liquidmetal's higher swingweight (and slightly different mold) makes it more different than the Microgel and Youtek, but I have no problem using any of them.

I have found all 3 racquets to be comfortable. I do not play with full poly strings due to my bad shoulder. I either play with full synthetic gut, full multifilament , or with a syn gut / multifilament main with poly cross hybrid.

One thing to mention, and I am not sure this applies to you, the Chinese Liquidmetals are stiffer and play harsher than the Austrian/Czech Republic Liquidmetals. I actually bought my Liquidmetals last, and only bought them because they were new old stock Austrian Liquidmetals. Had they been the Chinese versions, I would not have bought them.

Not sure if I helped, but let me know if you have any questions.
 

BHold81

Rookie
Hi. I have 3 versions of the gold Instincts - Liquidmetal, Microgel, and Youtek. The Youtek (~310) has much lower swingweight than the Liquidmetal (~330). The Microgel's swingweight (~320) is between the 2 of them.

I would say the Microgel and Youtek are more similar to each other. The Liquidmetal's higher swingweight (and slightly different mold) makes it more different than the Microgel and Youtek, but I have no problem using any of them.

I have found all 3 racquets to be comfortable. I do not play with full poly strings due to my bad shoulder. I either play with full synthetic gut, full multifilament , or with a syn gut / multifilament main with poly cross hybrid.

One thing to mention, and I am not sure this applies to you, the Chinese Liquidmetals are stiffer and play harsher than the Austrian/Czech Republic Liquidmetals. I actually bought my Liquidmetals last, and only bought them because they were new old stock Austrian Liquidmetals. Had they been the Chinese versions, I would not have bought them.

Not sure if I helped, but let me know if you have any questions.
I’ve tried a full bed of multi, still doesn’t work. And I did notice the swingweight difference. I would definitely add some weight at 3&9 to the youtek
 
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