Advice on picking: Speed Pro or Extreme 2.0

[Mr.Ax]

First of all, hi all, I'm new here today... been browsing the site and forum for quite a while now, trying to gather information.

I am in some doubt of choosing the right stick. Hope some of you can help me out

First of all, some info about myself and play.
I'm 33 years old.
I like to hit hard, but also controlled.
Love to hit some spin. But flat hits are not uncommon.
Play more double games than singles.
I have a single handed backhand.
Love to play at the baseline, but also like it at the net.
I guess I'm a allrounder...
I play tennis for about 4 years now, and gaining skill every time I play.

My current stick is Babolat PureDrive, bought it in 2011 I think.
Strung it with RPM blast. Love it. I can hit hard and the ball does not go long. Spin is great as well.
Nonetheless, I am ready for something new.

I recently demoed the Pure Strike Tour 18x20 and Pure strike 18x20.
The Pure Strike Tour felt a bit too heavy, I could only imagine my arm would get tired in a match.
The Pure Strike on the other hand is a nice racquet. Though it felt a bit light and it lacks a bit on spin for me, and perhaps a bit of power.

Got it down to a couple of sticks:
- Head YOUTEK Graphene Speed Pro
- Head YOUTEK IG Extreme Pro 2.0
- The MP versions of these 2

I don't have the oppertunity to demo these cause there's no shop in the neighborhood that has them.

The reason I doubt lies more in the weight than the play style of the stick... I've read all the reviews of TW, all the feedback etc. and I wasn't being able to make clear which of the sticks will fit me best weight wise.
The MP's could be a bit too light for me, and the Pro's some what too heavy? I can't tell. Though the specs say the Pro's are less heavy as the Tour, so maybe they are right in the middle and are just right...

I hope some of you who has played these racquest as well as the babolat ones, can give me some advice on the weight (MP vs Pro) as well as between the playstyle types.

Thanks in advance, much appriciated

PS. hope I didn't bore anyone with my long post lol

 

[LeeD]

You can weight a too light racket, but you cannot lighten a too heavy racket.
Your PD is the stiffest racket commonly used.
Anything softer will feel mushy and lack power.
Ferrer plays with the softest racket of any pro, the Exo.
Murray plays with the old Head frames, stiffness around 62.
If DJ can swing it, can you? I can't.
A frame is very cheap, for sports equipment.
You will find great players, better than you and I, on all sorts of different rackets of different weights and different flex, meaning.... you get used to what you pick, and if you don't, it's only a couple hundred dollars.
Nobody picks the right racket for himself, or anyone else.

 

[TennisMD]

First of all, hi all, I'm new here today... been browsing the site and forum for quite a while now, trying to gather information.

I am in some doubt of choosing the right stick. Hope some of you can help me out

First of all, some info about myself and play.
I'm 33 years old.
I like to hit hard, but also controlled.
Love to hit some spin. But flat hits are not uncommon.
Play more double games than singles.
I have a single handed backhand.
Love to play at the baseline, but also like it at the net.
I guess I'm a allrounder...
I play tennis for about 4 years now, and gaining skill every time I play.

My current stick is Babolat PureDrive, bought it in 2011 I think.
Strung it with RPM blast. Love it. I can hit hard and the ball does not go long. Spin is great as well.
Nonetheless, I am ready for something new.

I recently demoed the Pure Strike Tour 18x20 and Pure strike 18x20.
The Pure Strike Tour felt a bit too heavy, I could only imagine my arm would get tired in a match.
The Pure Strike on the other hand is a nice racquet. Though it felt a bit light and it lacks a bit on spin for me, and perhaps a bit of power.

Got it down to a couple of sticks:
- Head YOUTEK Graphene Speed Pro
- Head YOUTEK IG Extreme Pro 2.0
- The MP versions of these 2

I don't have the oppertunity to demo these cause there's no shop in the neighborhood that has them.

The reason I doubt lies more in the weight than the play style of the stick... I've read all the reviews of TW, all the feedback etc. and I wasn't being able to make clear which of the sticks will fit me best weight wise.
The MP's could be a bit too light for me, and the Pro's some what too heavy? I can't tell. Though the specs say the Pro's are less heavy as the Tour, so maybe they are right in the middle and are just right...

I hope some of you who has played these racquest as well as the babolat ones, can give me some advice on the weight (MP vs Pro) as well as between the playstyle types.

Thanks in advance, much appriciated

PS. hope I didn't bore anyone with my long post lol

So I came from the PDR, demoed quite a few rkts and settled on head IG Extreme pro 2.0 see TW. Review one of the highest, I agree with most of Andy's comments. However SW higher than a pure drive but that's what makes it solid,great plow through AKA a heavy ball . I have not played the Graphene Speed Pro

 

[Matchball]

IMO GSP is one of the best baseline 18x20 racquets available in the market today. But my feeling is it needs a bit tinkering with lead before you can volley with utmost confidence. You will also notice the grip pallets are closer to Babolat compared to the rest of the Head offerings.

While I favor the GSP for the control and the surprising spin it can offer, I think the Extreme 2.0 will be a smoother transition based on what you describe. More power, more stability, better comfort compared to the regular PD. Plus you seem to like polys, no problem taming the beast.

But I do think you should demo as much as possible before committing to sth.

 

[WhereIsMacMac]

Any areas of your game you want to improve?

The Extreme's like a more comfortable version of the Pure Drive

 

[MikeHitsHard93]

Lets start with the basics: what don't you like about your pure drive? If you're just looking for something a bit different, I'd go with the extreme although its no slouch in the weight dept. and is pretty heavy compared to the pure drive. The speed pro is an amazing racket, but is in a different class of racket from the pure drive or extreme.

 

[cartel]

i never liked the speed pro-- i wanted to but the demo just never impressed me

pure strike 100 i just tried-- needs some customizing -- no power--

EP work great but ive just switched to the Q5x- so got a deal on some EP if thats the way you go..

 

[parasailing]

I find the GSP to be good at a lot of areas but not great. It serves well, offers good power, spin, and control and is very solid on groundstrokes, serve returns, and offers a generous sweet spot. The only thing it isn't good at are volleys which a little lead can help.

 

[anubis]

OP:

I recently picked up an Extreme Pro 2.0. I'm a Pure Drive user as well. What I don't like about the Pure Drive is the extreme stiffness, and the low weight. I find it hard to return hard serves with the Pure Drive. I also have trouble generating pace with the Pure Drive, since the swing weight is so low.

If you are experiencing similar issues as I am, then the Extreme Pro 2.0 might be a good choice. I've only used it for about 4 hours so far, but I like what I see. It's considerably more powerful than the Pure Drive, however.

I started off with a full bed of a multifilament string @ 60 lbs. Couldn't keep shots in to save my life, everything was flying long. I've increased tension to 62 lbs, and will try it, but I concede that I may have to go as high as 66 or 68 lbs.

It's very comfortable, I've had very little arm pain with using it. Head has done a good job of reducing vibrations and making it more comfortable.

Static and swing weights are a tad high for me, but I plan on lifting weights and getting stronger so I can use it more effectively.

I enjoy the extra mass in returning serves and dealing with high pace shots. I play a lot of 4.5 and 5.0 players, and sometimes it feels like, with the stock Pure Drive, it wants to jump out of my hands. But the Extreme Pro 2.0 just absorbs their pace very effectively.

The thing is in "permanent beast mode" at the net. Volleying is a piece of cake. I just stick the racquet out and it does the work for me. It's like an "automatic volleying racquet". I don't have to do any work at the net.

Serves are just OK with it. I don't get a lot of spin on my 2nd serve, so I double fault a lot with it. I'll have to work on that.

Hope that helps!

 

[RetroSpin]

Anything will be a come down from a PD, unless you man up and go for a PDR.

The obvious answer here is to get the new PDR. Why settle?

 

[sam_p]

Lets start with the basics: what don't you like about your pure drive? If you're just looking for something a bit different, I'd go with the extreme although its no slouch in the weight dept. and is pretty heavy compared to the pure drive. The speed pro is an amazing racket, but is in a different class of racket from the pure drive or extreme.

Eh, was unimpressed with the speed pro when I tried it for an hour. It was strung with black widow 17 at 53 and just felt fairly lifeless to me. I hated it on my 1hbh over the top and slice floated a bit. I'm sure I could get used to it with some time, but it just doesn't seem to offer much reason to try. The Extreme 2.0 has more spin potential with less effort, is fantastic for volleying and seems to groove beautifully for topspin 1hbh. The free power is also great for this late 40's 4.5 who plays against a lot of hard hitters.

 

[sam_p]

Anything will be a come down from a PD, unless you man up and go for a PDR.

The obvious answer here is to get the new PDR. Why settle?

I hated the feel of the PDR, many say the extreme is quite similar (definitely not in feel though!) can't speak to that really since I recoiled in horror from the PDR in about 2 minutes...

 

[spinovic]

OP:

I recently picked up an Extreme Pro 2.0. I'm a Pure Drive user as well. What I don't like about the Pure Drive is the extreme stiffness, and the low weight. I find it hard to return hard serves with the Pure Drive. I also have trouble generating pace with the Pure Drive, since the swing weight is so low.

If you are experiencing similar issues as I am, then the Extreme Pro 2.0 might be a good choice. I've only used it for about 4 hours so far, but I like what I see. It's considerably more powerful than the Pure Drive, however.

I started off with a full bed of a multifilament string @ 60 lbs. Couldn't keep shots in to save my life, everything was flying long. I've increased tension to 62 lbs, and will try it, but I concede that I may have to go as high as 66 or 68 lbs.

It's very comfortable, I've had very little arm pain with using it. Head has done a good job of reducing vibrations and making it more comfortable.

Static and swing weights are a tad high for me, but I plan on lifting weights and getting stronger so I can use it more effectively.

I enjoy the extra mass in returning serves and dealing with high pace shots. I play a lot of 4.5 and 5.0 players, and sometimes it feels like, with the stock Pure Drive, it wants to jump out of my hands. But the Extreme Pro 2.0 just absorbs their pace very effectively.

The thing is in "permanent beast mode" at the net. Volleying is a piece of cake. I just stick the racquet out and it does the work for me. It's like an "automatic volleying racquet". I don't have to do any work at the net.

Serves are just OK with it. I don't get a lot of spin on my 2nd serve, so I double fault a lot with it. I'll have to work on that.

Hope that helps!

I would agree with pretty much everything you posted. I used the Extreme Pro 2.0 for about 6 months and found it to be a great racquet. Despite its stiffness rating of 69, it doesn't feel that way on the court. Very powerful, very stable, great racquet from the baseline but very solid at net as well. Like you, I probably found serving to be the weakest shot with this racquet. It isn't bad in that area, but it wasn't as strong on serve as it was in other areas and not as good as other racquets I've tried.

Other than stringing up some synthetic gut once, I only used polys in this frame. I think this racquet is made for poly strings. It helps to tame the power and only increases the spin. I hated synthetic gut in this frame...as you said, too much power, too hard to control and find any consistency. I didn't try going up in tension, so that would certainly help I would assume.

But, that would be my only caution - if you don't want to use polyester strings, it may take some time to find the right setup or you could end up with a racquet that is too powerful.

Great stick though, IMO.

 

[sam_p]

I would agree with pretty much everything you posted. I used the Extreme Pro 2.0 for about 6 months and found it to be a great racquet. Despite its stiffness rating of 69, it doesn't feel that way on the court. Very powerful, very stable, great racquet from the baseline but very solid at net as well. Like you, I probably found serving to be the weakest shot with this racquet. It isn't bad in that area, but it wasn't as strong on serve as it was in other areas and not as good as other racquets I've tried.

Other than stringing up some synthetic gut once, I only used polys in this frame. I think this racquet is made for poly strings. It helps to tame the power and only increases the spin. I hated synthetic gut in this frame...as you said, too much power, too hard to control and find any consistency. I didn't try going up in tension, so that would certainly help I would assume.

But, that would be my only caution - if you don't want to use polyester strings, it may take some time to find the right setup or you could end up with a racquet that is too powerful.

Great stick though, IMO.

I did string up two of mine with gut/poly hybrids for the winter (I play early mornings a lot outside in Norcal and it is frequently 40's-50's) and found that this was helpful on those cold mornings. For afternoons and indoors I agree that full poly is the way to go - I like either Black Widow 18 or Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17.

 

[Mr.Ax]

Wow, thanks for all the response!

It seems that the extreme would be the a better fit for me than the speed pro. So that's one doubt down...

And yeah, I will be using Pollys on this racquet if buy it.

Though, I'm a bit afraid that the weight will be demanding in a match after some playing... like anubis said, Static and swing weights are a tad high, so thats a bit worrying.

Does anybody know the specs of the 2011 bought pure drive? I can't seem to find it on the net.
Is the swing weight about the same as the extreme?
And will the extreme be (much?) less demanding than the Pure Strike Tour?

Or perhaps, maybe I'm totally ooking in the wrong direction... what stick would you suggest? I must admit, there are so many sticks out there that haven't checked them all

Let me try and explain what I'm trying to improve.

What I'm looking for to improve are my volleys, want them crispier, more controlled (i like that about the pure strikes).
And be able to hit spin a bit more easy. My serve could be improved aswell. I hit slice serves. Right now they are a bit weak.

The stick should not feel much havier than PD though (when playing... I mean, it may be heavier, but like the pure strike is 5 grams more heavy, but plays lighter IMO, I should be able to play for hours straight on).
A bit more feel would also be nice. I do like the forgivingness of the PD

Once again, your help is much appreciated, it's nice to read all your input.

Cheers

 

[spinovic]

I've never played with the Pure Drive (or any Babolat racquet actually), so I can't compare the two directly in that way.

My guess is that the Extreme would give you more stability and control at net with your volleys. As far as spin production, I think the worst case would be that the Extreme is about the same, although I suspect it would be a little better. I have my doubts that it would help your serve more than the Pure Drive.

Only you can say whether the higher weight and swingweight will be too much. I didn't have a problem with that, but we all have our own preferences.

The option of demoing via Tennis Warehouse isn't available to you? Obviously that would be the best route, that way you could play with the racquets and find out if it works for you.

The MP is also a possibility, but based on the specs (higher SW, less HL balance and slightly lower static weight), I've always guessed that it would feel more sluggish. I found the Pro to be pretty solid as far as maneuverability goes - it had a good combination of weight, balance and swingweight, IMO.

I don't think the stiffness will be an issue. Especially coming from a Pure Drive, which by all accounts is pretty stiff. I've played frames with lower stiffness ratings that didn't feel near as good as the Extreme did.

I liked polys strung from in the mid-to-high recommended tension range in the Pro.

For what it's worth, have you considered the AeroPro Drive at all? From what I've read about it and the Pure Drive, it sounds like the APD would give you more spin and better net play and it is only slightly heavier, unlike the Extreme which is up around 12 oz in weight.

 

[Mr.Ax]

I've never played with the Pure Drive (or any Babolat racquet actually), so I can't compare the two directly in that way.

My guess is that the Extreme would give you more stability and control at net with your volleys. As far as spin production, I think the worst case would be that the Extreme is about the same, although I suspect it would be a little better. I have my doubts that it would help your serve more than the Pure Drive.

Only you can say whether the higher weight and swingweight will be too much. I didn't have a problem with that, but we all have our own preferences.

The option of demoing via Tennis Warehouse isn't available to you? Obviously that would be the best route, that way you could play with the racquets and find out if it works for you.

The MP is also a possibility, but based on the specs (higher SW, less HL balance and slightly lower static weight), I've always guessed that it would feel more sluggish. I found the Pro to be pretty solid as far as maneuverability goes - it had a good combination of weight, balance and swingweight, IMO.

I don't think the stiffness will be an issue. Especially coming from a Pure Drive, which by all accounts is pretty stiff. I've played frames with lower stiffness ratings that didn't feel near as good as the Extreme did.

I liked polys strung from in the mid-to-high recommended tension range in the Pro.

For what it's worth, have you considered the AeroPro Drive at all? From what I've read about it and the Pure Drive, it sounds like the APD would give you more spin and better net play and it is only slightly heavier, unlike the Extreme which is up around 12 oz in weight.

I understand about the weight, it's a personal thing. Though I'm just trying to fish for comparison stories to figure it out based on the input I get from you all, without demoing. (I'll check if TW ships demos to my country)

I have considered the AeroPro, and played with it a bit a year ago I think. As far as I remember I was not really impressed, but I wasn't looking for something new at that time and I had been drinking a couple of beers, so that influenced my play lol.

And besides, I'm eager to try some other brand.

But if all fails, I will fall back to safe harbour babolat.
Though there must be a good racquet out there that will fit me just right... And it looks like it the extreme comes most close.

 

[spinovic]

I loved the Extreme. In fact, I wish I still had one to hit with sometimes, something different than my TFights, but alas I sold them both.

In my honest opinion, I think you will like the Extreme quite a bit if the weight increase is not a problem. Some people don't like The round head shape either, but that never bothered me.

I definitely think the Extreme is a better option than the Speed based on what you are coming from and what you want.

 

[Mr.Ax]

I loved the Extreme. In fact, I wish I still had one to hit with sometimes, something different than my TFights, but alas I sold them both.

In my honest opinion, I think you will like the Extreme quite a bit if the weight increase is not a problem. Some people don't like The round head shape either, but that never bothered me.

I definitely think the Extreme is a better option than the Speed based on what you are coming from and what you want.

What is it about the TFights? I've noticed in another thread that they are quite desirable. Is it only cause of the customization oppertunities?

 

[Mr.Ax]

Think I'm gonna buy the extreme today.

I will get it fixed with RPM Blast most probably.
Though I have limited experience with other strings.
I have the blast on my PureDrive and it's good, it's the only reference I have

If different strings will be better for the extreme, which would that be?

Also, at which tensions should I get it done? (mains / crosses)
And string thickness (1.2, 1.25, 1.3) I'm getting those options at tennis-point website.

 

[spinovic]

What is it about the TFights? I've noticed in another thread that they are quite desirable. Is it only cause of the customization oppertunities?

The feel is what is so desirable in the 315. It has a very soft, comfortable feel without being flexy. That is the best way I can describe it. But, the racquet plays well. To me, it is good in all areas. My results were better with the TFights. The 320 is an excellent racquet as well. I was actually going to switch to it when I tried the 315 and liked it better. With a little lead added, the two play similar, the 315 just feels a lot better.

RPM Blast should be fine. I used Cyclone and Sonic Pro in mine and liked both. I liked mid to high recommended tension. Not sure what you prefer and I haven't used RPM Blast, but you could always start in the mid 50s and adjust up or down from there if necessary.

 

[Praetorian]

What is it about the TFights? I've noticed in another thread that they are quite desirable. Is it only cause of the customization oppertunities?

I thought that the tfights were just solid, all around, no-flash, no-nonsense rackets. Unlike the tinny feel of most of the modern rackets, I liked the solid thump that it felt like. A lot more reminiscent of the old school rackets of the 80s and 90s to me, and it's probably that silicone in the handle thing.

 

[Mr.Ax]

You're talking about the 315 limited edition?

Looking at the specs right now and it seems very nice, and it's a lighter racquet, less SW than the extreme... like a pure drive but with more spin I guess.

 

[spinovic]

I doubt the TFights would produce any more spin than the PD, but I could be wrong.

 

[Mr.Ax]

Alright, fair enough

Back to the EP2.0 for a bit, what if the extreme pro does turns out to be a bit heavy. What similar, but a bit lighter racquet comes in mind / can you suggest?

 

[Mr.Ax]

RPM Blast should be fine. I used Cyclone and Sonic Pro in mine and liked both. I liked mid to high recommended tension. Not sure what you prefer and I haven't used RPM Blast, but you could always start in the mid 50s and adjust up or down from there if necessary.

I've browsed some, looked up cyclone etc. and while browsing I came across the yonex poly tour spin (1.25).

Ever strung with it? Seems like a good alternative for the blast as well. They say it's less powerful as the blast, but I guess the EP2.0 will make up for that.

Tension 57/55 lbs, or 55/53 lbs perhaps

 

[spinovic]

Alright, fair enough

Back to the EP2.0 for a bit, what if the extreme pro does turns out to be a bit heavy. What similar, but a bit lighter racquet comes in mind / can you suggest?

I can't really say that I've played with a lighter racquet that is similar to the Extreme Pro 2.0. Based on reviews and others comments I've read, my guess would be your current racquet or the AeroPro Drive, or something like them...one of the Donnay racquets is often compared to the APD, the Formula I think (if not that then the Pro Open). Maybe one of the new Yonex frames, Ai 98 or 100? Someone with some experience with those could give you more feedback. I'm just guessing. And of course, there's always the MP, which is slightly lighter than the Pro.

 

[spinovic]

I've browsed some, looked up cyclone etc. and while browsing I came across the yonex poly tour spin (1.25).

Ever strung with it? Seems like a good alternative for the blast as well. They say it's less powerful as the blast, but I guess the EP2.0 will make up for that.

Tension 57/55 lbs, or 55/53 lbs perhaps

Never used any Yonex strings. A lot of people like the Poly Tour Spin though. I'm sure it would be a good choice.

Based on my preference and experience with the Extreme, I'd probably go 57/55, but you may prefer the lower tension. Either should be fine as a starting point to see how it goes.

 

[AA5B Tiger]

I've browsed some, looked up cyclone etc. and while browsing I came across the yonex poly tour spin (1.25).

Ever strung with it? Seems like a good alternative for the blast as well. They say it's less powerful as the blast, but I guess the EP2.0 will make up for that.

Tension 57/55 lbs, or 55/53 lbs perhaps

I have the Yonex PTS 1.25 in my Extreme Pros (2.0) -- and love it. Have tried many polys over the years and the Yonex is my favorite to date.

I have mine at 46 currently and, if I was to restring right now, might try 48. Somewhere in that range feels just about perfect for me. FWIW, I strung those tension on a Gamma drop-weight machine -- which I've calibrated to within .1 pound accuracy. Different machines (crank, electronic, etc.) even if also precisely calibrated will yield different results -- as will the technique of the stringer. Point being -- pick some tension and keep notes, revision up and down as needed. I have a little Brother label maker and actually put the the string,tension,date on a label in the neck of racquet. When the strings break or I cut them out, I make a little note in a file of what was in the racquet and what to do next time -- go up, dn, choose a different string. When I started out, I thought being so analytical was silly -- but I quickly forget what tension I like, were the mains the same as the crosses, what string I used, etc... As is, I can look back and dial-up old recipes.

Back to the Yonex string, the only thing I've liked (marginally) better is VS Touch mains around 50-52 and MSV Co-Focus crosses around 47-48... Yet, if you're a big topspin hitter, I'd say stick with the full Yonex poly.

 

[bkirk]

Definitely the EP 2.0 if you are coming from a pure drive. I use to own a GSP and played with it for about 3 months. Played with a Dunlop F3.0 Tour for about 7 months before the GSP. Ended up selling the GSP to a friend and went back to my trust dunlops for another 6 months. Now i have recently purchased a couple EP 2.0's and boy what a racquet it is. I have also demoed and played with a friends Pure drive here and there over the past year and a half. The EP 2.0 is the definitely my favorite of the bunch. It is a well rounded racquet that has no weaknesses that i can see. Not to mention it is very comfortable with the grommet design even though the frame is rather stiff. Definitely needs a full swing to tame the power.

 

[MikeHitsHard93]

Definitely the EP 2.0 if you are coming from a pure drive. I use to own a GSP and played with it for about 3 months. Played with a Dunlop F3.0 Tour for about 7 months before the GSP. Ended up selling the GSP to a friend and went back to my trust dunlops for another 6 months. Now i have recently purchased a couple EP 2.0's and boy what a racquet it is. I have also demoed and played with a friends Pure drive here and there over the past year and a half. The EP 2.0 is the definitely my favorite of the bunch. It is a well rounded racquet that has no weaknesses that i can see. Not to mention it is very comfortable with the grommet design even though the frame is rather stiff. Definitely needs a full swing to tame the power.

Hey bkirk, I'm looking into purchasing a F3.0 Tour. How would you compare it to the GSP and why did you switch back? Thanks.

 

[naturallight]

The Extreme Pro 2.0 has the new S-Tech grommet system but the Speed Pro does not, right?

So is the general consensus that the Extreme is more comfortable than the Speed? Looks like there was a pretty big difference in comfort ratings in the TW reviews (85 vs 79).

 

[bkirk]

Hey bkirk, I'm looking into purchasing a F3.0 Tour. How would you compare it to the GSP and why did you switch back? Thanks.

The GSP is actually VERY similar to the F3.0 Tour. I actually prefer the way the GSP plays vs the F3.0 Tour. In stock form the GSP is more stable and provided a little bit more power. The GSP pro was just too rough on my wrist and elbow as is not exactly an arm friendly racquet. That would be the only reason i switched back. Naturallight, you are correct about the grommets. Yes the Extreme Pro 2.0 is a lot more comfortable than the Graphene Speed Pro. All 3 of these are excellent racquets that i think everyone should demo.