Aero Pro Drive Original VS 2013 APD

pfrischmann

Professional
Hi Guys,
I recently posted about an APD Original I acquired to find out if it's legit. It is and I've confirmed it from multiple sources. Specifically, it has the matching serial numbers on the neck and under the grip, Staples in the butt cap, two chambers in the handle and the weight and balance is right on. There is a little silicone in the handle. I'm not sure if Babolat did this or if it was done after. It was well done either way.
So we are good there..=) Thanks to everybody that helped out.

I use 4-1/4 with APDs as I find the 4-3/8 a little large compared to other brands.

Here are the specs: 11.4 oz 33bal, 332 sw with HyperG 17.
I've been using a 2013 APD with similar Specs 11.4oz , 33 bal 312sw (this has been customized a little with weight at 10 and 2 to get the SW up to 316.

I use a dampner and two overgrips which gets both racquets up to 11.8 oz and make the sticks a tiny bit more head light.

O.K. First impressions.
This thing is a beast!! At 11.8-332 it can put a real hurt on the ball. The feel is not like any APD I've ever hit with, way more solid and more raw. It's pretty much impossible to switch from the 2013 to the APDO and have anything that resembles consistency. The extreme difference in swing weight make if very hard to go back and forth. I find I hit a more linear ball with the APDO. It's a little harder for me to bring the tip up and over due to the SW. Currently, the kick serve doesn't have the height I want. That's a me problem in general, Post labrum surgery, I don't have the same RHS overhead and I'm being careful.

I like the feel of the APDO a little more, it feels a little more honest and when I'm not late to the ball, it hits a very big and heavy ball. I used to play with the GT version (2010 or so) looking back on it, there was part of it that always felt a little, plastic or tinny...maybe hollow is the word. I don't notice it as much on ground strokes as I do on volleys, half volleys and touch shots. I feel the 2013 APD has this same feel, although less of it. The APDO has none of it. You can tell the lineage but it's a different stick really.

I should mention, I find a little less "boing" with the APDO. Those sort of errant shots that result from too much of a trampoline effect on the string bed. I'm thinking its the SW causing me to have less active hands.


Why did I try this?
Honestly...why not. I've always loved the APD series(not so much the pure aero) but always had a problem with volleying with it. What makes it such a good baseline and serving stick has always presented challenges for me inside the court. It's generaly "light feel" makes it a challenge for me to find the racquet tip when volleying, as a result, I tend to get too active with my hands.

I'll mess with it a little more but it may be too much racquet for me at the current time.
 

gutfeeling

Hall of Fame
I play the apd original plus. Very raw compared to the more recent versions. But it also has an honest at times plush feel the newer versions do not have. I am currently using Babolat VS natural gut mains with Kirschbaum max power crosses (60/40) and it helps with comfort to an extent.
 

Anton

Legend
It’s not the swingweight - APDo has much more consistent stringbed response. It is very tough to play touch or volley with later iterations because the stringbed is so bouncy.
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
Came from a PT630 to Pure Aero. loving it. Tried the APDO (bought 3) as I tought I would love but I didn't. Found that I was way more solid but it was just too much to handle. I play based on spin and RHS and this thing (apdo) just felt as heavy and slow as my PT630. Ultra solid ball, though. half the spin, twice the stability and the heft. Can see why people love, can see why people prefer the newer ones. Had trouble on the kickserves, to heavy to slingshot it.

My game Just works better with the PA. sold them 3.
 

Anton

Legend
Hi Anton....why is that? AFAIK the only difference is cortex. Why would that change the trampoline effect?

That was not the only difference - APDo was not nearly as stiff as later models and had different flex distribution...not as stiff in the upper loop. More controlled, less power. That's why Nadal still plays APDo to this day.

APDo is like a midpoint racket between later APDs and DR98.
 

Anton

Legend
Honestly, I just want an 11.3 ounce APD with a 65 stiffness, a traditional 16X19 and a 320 ish sw and no cortex.

DR98 Light is the closest match on the market (just add lead).

It's on sale now, so I got one to do Nadal Spec. Came out awesome, playing it as my main for now.
 
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pfrischmann

Professional
Came from a PT630 to Pure Aero. loving it. Tried the APDO (bought 3) as I tought I would love but I didn't. Found that I was way more solid but it was just too much to handle. I play based on spin and RHS and this thing (apdo) just felt as heavy and slow as my PT630. Ultra solid ball, though. half the spin, twice the stability and the heft. Can see why people love, can see why people prefer the newer ones. Had trouble on the kickserves, to heavy to slingshot it.

My game Just works better with the PA. sold them 3.


I'm not a huge fan of the PA personally but I hear you on the heft of the APDO. It's like a hammer compared to the PA and even more so compared to the 2013 APD GT. The Kicker and FH is where I notice it the most.
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
I was hitting way more linear with the APDO. I think it was due the clubness of it. I coudn't whip it fast enought. It is all about the game you play. My FH is "Jacksockish" so the PA serves me just fine.

But in terms of solidness it is pretty uncomparable. Got them both cushionless and started to shadowswing 'em. Felt like the APDo had all its weight in the throat ad was twice as heavy to swing. both with static weight around the same.
 

gutfeeling

Hall of Fame
The plus versions of the apd and pure aero frames are 2 points more headlight than the standard version. Makes a big difference in my opinion.
 

pfrischmann

Professional
DR98 Light is the closest match on the market (just add lead).

It's on sale now, so I got one to do Nadal Spec. Came out awesome, playing it as my main for now.
I was hitting way more linear with the APDO. I think it was due the clubness of it. I coudn't whip it fast enought. It is all about the game you play. My FH is "Jacksockish" so the PA serves me just fine.

But in terms of solidness it is pretty uncomparable. Got them both cushionless and started to shadowswing 'em. Felt like the APDo had all its weight in the throat ad was twice as heavy to swing. both with static weight around the same.

I hear ya, I hit with a lot of top-spin as well. I've been using the 2013 GT with about 4" of lead at 2-10 and even with that the APDO feels significantly harder to whip around. 332sw VS-316SW...Big difference at the same static weight.
 

Lavs

Hall of Fame
APDo feels much more solid and is like none of other APDs. Its feel is very addictive.

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pfrischmann

Professional
Yeah, I took it to a lesson yesterday. It's a bit much for me compared to what I've been using. (2013 APD, New Pure Strike). The Swingweight is just too much of an adjustment. My Teacher loved it. It took him a while to adjust his timing but once he got it, he was hitting a really heavy ball..
 

gutfeeling

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I took it to a lesson yesterday. It's a bit much for me compared to what I've been using. (2013 APD, New Pure Strike). The Swingweight is just too much of an adjustment. My Teacher loved it. It took him a while to adjust his timing but once he got it, he was hitting a really heavy ball..

Add some weight under the replacement grip just above the buttcap. Add in 2 gram increments. Should help with maneuverability since a lot of weight is already concentrated in throat area.
 

prjacobs

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I took it to a lesson yesterday. It's a bit much for me compared to what I've been using. (2013 APD, New Pure Strike). The Swingweight is just too much of an adjustment. My Teacher loved it. It took him a while to adjust his timing but once he got it, he was hitting a really heavy ball..

Who's your tennis teacher? You're in NYC, right?


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pfrischmann

Professional
Hi guys,
Just an update. I've been playing with a Wilson Ultra Tour for a while. I love the touch and softness (so does my elbow) but I lost a lot of spin and passing power. While getting it restrung, I pulled out the APDO for fun..It hits a really heavy ball..really heavy. I'm having a blast hitting with it and feel like APD's etc.. are just ...me.

Compared again to the 2013 APD, the APDO requires earlier prep and more effort to get the same up and down motion...meaning, If I'm at the baseline and want to clear the net by 4 feet (or whatever) and bring the ball down 4 feet inside the baseline, the 2013 can do this with significantly less effort than the APDO. However, the ball hit the the APDO is much more explosive when it hits the ground. I was man handling my hitting partner with the APDO getting lots of mis hits. I switched to the 2013 APD and he was teeing off on everything, our roles had switched. To be fair, I hadn't really adjusted to the SW of the 2013 APD yet....but, I started over hitting to try and get the ball deep and off the court. Because of the SW difference, the 2013 hits a much shorter, lighter ball.

The 2013 is much more comfortable almost to the point of being vague. Upside and downside there. I think I'm going to have to Find a string combo that will let me keep the spin Im getting from the Solinco Hyper G at 48lbs but soften up the bed a little more..
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Hi guys,
Just an update. I've been playing with a Wilson Ultra Tour for a while. I love the touch and softness (so does my elbow) but I lost a lot of spin and passing power. While getting it restrung, I pulled out the APDO for fun..It hits a really heavy ball..really heavy. I'm having a blast hitting with it and feel like APD's etc.. are just ...me.

Compared again to the 2013 APD, the APDO requires earlier prep and more effort to get the same up and down motion...meaning, If I'm at the baseline and want to clear the net by 4 feet (or whatever) and bring the ball down 4 feet inside the baseline, the 2013 can do this with significantly less effort than the APDO. However, the ball hit the the APDO is much more explosive when it hits the ground. I was man handling my hitting partner with the APDO getting lots of mis hits. I switched to the 2013 APD and he was teeing off on everything, our roles had switched. To be fair, I hadn't really adjusted to the SW of the 2013 APD yet....but, I started over hitting to try and get the ball deep and off the court. Because of the SW difference, the 2013 hits a much shorter, lighter ball.

The 2013 is much more comfortable almost to the point of being vague. Upside and downside there. I think I'm going to have to Find a string combo that will let me keep the spin Im getting from the Solinco Hyper G at 48lbs but soften up the bed a little more..
Apds are really good sticks. The 2013 apd definitely needs lead at 12. The stock swingweight is too low to deliver a heavy ball.
 
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