Hey if you're interested, Ive decided to sell my 300 tours because Im not nearly aggressive enough for a low powered racquet like this. I have 2 in 4 3/8, and willing to let go for a good price. Check out my FS ad. Email me if you're interested, thanks.
Aerogel 300 Appreciation Society
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Hey if you're interested, Ive decided to sell my 300 tours because Im not nearly aggressive enough for a low powered racquet like this. I have 2 in 4 3/8, and willing to let go for a good price. Check out my FS ad. Email me if you're interested, thanks.
rlau
Hall of Fame
I think you are asking this in the wrong thread, Jack.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Well, I did it! I'm the proud owner of 2 AG 4D 300 Tours, with Wilson NXT Tour 16 at 55lbs in both. Got a nice discount on the frames, too! And, I'm selling my YT Speed MP to a friend who already has one. I'm a happy cramper!
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Just an update. I've played my new AG 4D 300T's 3 times now, and I'm starting to get dialed in with them. Whoever thinks these frames don't have pop should try stringing them with NXT Tour all the way around at 55lbs or under. I'm hitting as hard, and with as much spin, with these frames as I have with any player frame.
I could serve well with them from the beginning. And, these are the best volleying frames I've ever played with. The combination of feel, touch, control and maneuverability at net is supreme, IMHO. My groundies took a little more time to get comfortable with because, I think, the 300T is a little lighter than the frame I was using and I was swinging just a fraction too early and hitting too far out in front, at first. But, whatever the reason, they're starting to feel really good now.
My next step is to customize my grip. I'm thinking of trying that sleeve that Head makes that replaces the factory grip, and putting an overgrip on top of that. If anyone has any experience with the sleeve I'm talking about, I'd love to hear from you.
I could serve well with them from the beginning. And, these are the best volleying frames I've ever played with. The combination of feel, touch, control and maneuverability at net is supreme, IMHO. My groundies took a little more time to get comfortable with because, I think, the 300T is a little lighter than the frame I was using and I was swinging just a fraction too early and hitting too far out in front, at first. But, whatever the reason, they're starting to feel really good now.
My next step is to customize my grip. I'm thinking of trying that sleeve that Head makes that replaces the factory grip, and putting an overgrip on top of that. If anyone has any experience with the sleeve I'm talking about, I'd love to hear from you.
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
Hey Limp,...Have You added weight or anything besides an overgrip??....You liking it in its stock form??...I'm really interested in that stick too,....
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Hey Limp,...Have You added weight or anything besides an overgrip??....You liking it in its stock form??...I'm really interested in that stick too,....
I haven't added anything yet, and I don't expect to. It was perfect on serve and volleys from the get-go. It took a few times out to get dialed in to the slightly lighter weight (than I'm used to) on groundies. But, it's feeling about perfect in stock form now. The only thing I might change is the tension I've got them strung at: 55lbs with NXT Tour 16. When these break I'm going to go down to 52lbs. 55lbs. is a little too tight for this weight and 18x20 string pattern.
Bottom line for me is that I went with a lighter, more flexible frame because of my shoulder. If you think you want more weight, you should look at the 200. It's 17g heavier and has similar specs otherwise.
PS: TW has lowered the price from $179 to $129. I got mine for even less.
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Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Strung with NXT Tour 16, and one of those round Babolat dampeners, the balance point is just a hair over 12 7/8 which would make it a hair under 5pts HL. I don't have a gram scale handy. But, I'll report back when I get a chance to weigh it, maybe tomorrow.
You don't trust the specs supplied by TW?
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
Regarding that stringing....this past summer i picked up a LM Radical,...which specs out very closely to this,....i strung it with silverstring,....at 48lbs,.....and it was GREAT !!!!!!
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
I just noticed your signature. If you actually own all of those racquets, I feel kinda silly advising you to check out the 4D 200 if you think the 300 Tour might be too light. As for tension, I'm a little skiddish about going down to 48lbs. on my next string job. I've found that too little tension doesn't work well with my heavy topspin groundies, and I seem to lose a little control on volleys. But, this is my first 18x20 frame since I played Kramers and Forts. So, I may get there eventually.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
18 X 20? Or Euro?
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
18x20! Which is why my original string tension (at the bottom of the recomended range of 55lbs), has turned out to be a bit too tight for a dense string pattern and a medium weight racquet.
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
Yeah,...it was in buying all those different weights,....that i came to realize over this past summer i may lean more toward something a little lighter,....(like the 300 Tour),.....thats partly why it intrigues me is the weight and HL quality,...I'm also fond of the 18x20 pattern,...
Oh!!!...and about that tension....i was a little skiddish too,...about going to 48,...but these forums are getting big on people doing that,...with great success....and it was only 4 lbs under the LM minimum,....and it turned out to feel great!!!!....i'll probably slowly experiment with dropping further yet,....
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
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Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Yeah,...it was in buying all those different weights,....that i came to realize over this past summer i may lean more toward something a little lighter,....(like the 300 Tour),.....thats partly why it intrigues me is the weight and HL quality,...I'm also fond of the 18x20 pattern,...
Oh!!!...and about that tension....i was a little skiddish too,...about going to 48,...but these forums are getting big on people doing that,...with great success....and it was only 4 lbs under the LM minimum,....and it turned out to feel great!!!!....i'll probably slowly experiment with dropping further yet,....
I know the vogue thing is to string under 50lbs. I'm old school and I used to string my wood frames with gut above 60lbs. Even my first graphite frame, the Max200g, I strung at 60lbs., as I recall. Oddly, it seems that modern racquets with larger heads demand less tension. I would intuitively think the opposite. But, at 55lbs., my 300 Tours are a bit boardy despite the fairly flexy frame. At this point, I may not wait to break strings to re-string at 52lbs.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Limpin, if you are moving towards a semiwestern, modern type of game like you were saying in the tips section, I would reccomend stringing full poly around 45#s for this racquet.
I know that sounds really low, but I think you will really appreciate the spin you will generate. The control will easily be there, and the ball pocketing is outstanding. But when you see the spin you can get, I think you will be hooked.
Let me clarify right now that I was the same as you. As a junior player I strung at 62#s. I string my Tfights at 52#s now. They have a lot more power than the 300T. If you can control the power you get with low tensions by hitting with spin, you simply have an unfair advantage over your opponent.
I know that sounds really low, but I think you will really appreciate the spin you will generate. The control will easily be there, and the ball pocketing is outstanding. But when you see the spin you can get, I think you will be hooked.
Let me clarify right now that I was the same as you. As a junior player I strung at 62#s. I string my Tfights at 52#s now. They have a lot more power than the 300T. If you can control the power you get with low tensions by hitting with spin, you simply have an unfair advantage over your opponent.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
I've tried Luxilon and several Luxilon/nylon hybrid. It played well, but, in addition to having detensioning and durability issues with it (I break strings fast), my shoulder just can't handle the stiffness of poly. Old and new injuries. Because of the stiffness of poly, I can see why someone would want to string it down below 50lbs.
What I don't understand is how polyester would hold on to the ball better, or produce more spin, than a top quality nylon, like NXT Tour. I'm not disputing that it does, but, it doesn't make sense to me. My understanding is that nylon is more elastic/resiliant than poly, and to me, NXT Tour feels as close to natural gut, which, to my knowledge still the most elastic the most elastic string available, of any string I've used.
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Try this..buy some Unique Big Hitter Blue rough. It is a soft poly. String it in your 300 at 45#s and see what you think.
Poly produces more spin because it is stiff and does not move. Lower tensions simply give you more pocketing.
Luxilon is a very stiff poly compared to Big hitter Blue.
Poly produces more spin because it is stiff and does not move. Lower tensions simply give you more pocketing.
Luxilon is a very stiff poly compared to Big hitter Blue.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
When you say poly doesn't move, you mean it doesn't shift back and forth requiring adjustment in between points? (One of the reasons I went from a 16x19 to an 18x20 pattern, btw).
Big Hitter Blue Rough? OK, but, I suspect it'll last about 2-3 hours before the rough crosses cut through the mains. You're talking about full poly, not a hybrid, yes? How does it perform in terms of detensioning? Luxilon seems to have two major detensions in its life: the first hour, and after 15-20 hours, if it lasts that long.
BTW, I used kevlar for about 15 years. It didn't move either. My shoulder did.
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
It doesn't lose much tension until after around 12 hours of play. I am talking full job not hybrid, and the roughs do not cut the mains.
Luxilon does not last nearly as long. It is an amazing string for 3 hours and than crap. The string I am talking about is a newer style of poly and you may like it a lot. They also make Big Hitter Blue that is not rough. You would be fine with that too if the rough type strings are not your style.
Luxilon does not last nearly as long. It is an amazing string for 3 hours and than crap. The string I am talking about is a newer style of poly and you may like it a lot. They also make Big Hitter Blue that is not rough. You would be fine with that too if the rough type strings are not your style.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
Thank you, regarding highlighted portion! I thought I was just too old school to appreciate poly. Almost everyone I know just defaults to Luxilon, and they keep it in their racquets for months. They don't break string like I do. I've tried another poly blend, too, that I didn't like at all - Sensation Duo. Uggh! It was dead out of the box.
My concern about rough poly is just that, since I break string quickly (typically a near-center main around the 7th cross), I was advised that the textured polys would break even quicker because the texture on the crosses would be like teeth against the mains. At $22+ for a Luxilon string job ($30 for NXT Tour), I'm motivated to seek durability. The 18x20 string pattern already seems to be having a positive effect on that, certainly a lot less string movement. I also have to protect my shoulder from further injury.
But, you've got me interested in the BHB. I'll give it a shot and see what happens.
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Cool. Another thing about 18x20 is you will have way more durablity. I break a lot of strings myself, but the BHB lasts in the 300T.
I could not imagine keeping Lux in my racquet for months. I would seriously quit tennis.
Another reason I suggest the BHB is that it is $8. So if for some reason you hate it, you will not have spent much.
I think you will really like that string in the 300T. If you do like that new gen of polys (softer, super easy to string and durable) than I would also suggest trying the Genesis Hexonic which I am also using right now. I like to try 3-4 similar strings before settling and these 2 strings have really delivered for me so far.
Just keep them low..45-50#s. As long as you are hitting with topspin you will be able to easily control your shots and also crush flat winners when you get the opportunity.
I could not imagine keeping Lux in my racquet for months. I would seriously quit tennis.
Another reason I suggest the BHB is that it is $8. So if for some reason you hate it, you will not have spent much.
I think you will really like that string in the 300T. If you do like that new gen of polys (softer, super easy to string and durable) than I would also suggest trying the Genesis Hexonic which I am also using right now. I like to try 3-4 similar strings before settling and these 2 strings have really delivered for me so far.
Just keep them low..45-50#s. As long as you are hitting with topspin you will be able to easily control your shots and also crush flat winners when you get the opportunity.
DavidGarcia
Hall of Fame
Just got one more Dunlop AG 300 16x18 in L3.
I have 2 now in L2 which I could be willing to sell.
Anyone interested please PM me.
I have 2 now in L2 which I could be willing to sell.
Anyone interested please PM me.
JackB1
G.O.A.T.
PP, are u back to the 300T? No more wrist issues?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
No I have been using the Tfight for months and am quite happy.
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
did you guys find any set up that works better on the 300 tour? I've been playing with this racquet for about six months and I did not find anything that I really like.
I've been playing lately with Pro line II full bed at 53.
I've been playing lately with Pro line II full bed at 53.
Limpinhitter
G.O.A.T.
I'm currently using a full bed of NXT Tour at 55lbs. I think that string and tension is a little too stiff for a medium weight frame with an 18x20 string bed. I'm going to try the same string at 52lbs, or maybe even as low as 50lbs, and see how I like that.
I tried PL II (1.15) two times. At 55/54 lbs there was not enough power for me, at 51/49 tension dropped fast and control was bad.
Now i'm using SP hyperion (1.18 ) at 53/51, i'm very satisfied and i feel like i found proper string for this frame.
Hyperion have more power and it is softer than PL II, tension maintenance is outstanding and looks like string is more durable too.
Now i'm using SP hyperion (1.18 ) at 53/51, i'm very satisfied and i feel like i found proper string for this frame.
Hyperion have more power and it is softer than PL II, tension maintenance is outstanding and looks like string is more durable too.
I'm interested to find out how the both the 4D 300 tour and Bio 300 tour differ from my AG300 16x18.
Ive been using this racket for about 10 months now and dont really see myself switching, but the bio 300 cosmetics have caught my eye. If it plays similar to the 300 16x18 I may be more than a little tempted when the prices halve next year in the uk (the 4d tour is now only £59!).
I play my 300 with leather and 6g of lead in the handle. Playing perfectly for me.
Anyone tried all of these frames?
Ive been using this racket for about 10 months now and dont really see myself switching, but the bio 300 cosmetics have caught my eye. If it plays similar to the 300 16x18 I may be more than a little tempted when the prices halve next year in the uk (the 4d tour is now only £59!).
I play my 300 with leather and 6g of lead in the handle. Playing perfectly for me.
Anyone tried all of these frames?
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
thanks for sharing that. I probably go down with the tension too, I noticed after couple of days and hitting sessions my racquet is more comfortable also pocketing the ball better.
I'm stringing now full bed of poly at 52/53 but I will go next time to string at 50 to see what happens.
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rh310
Hall of Fame
Tried them both, liked the 300 tour better but they both seemed a little sluggish at net. I've been playing a volkl pb10 'lite' for a while so maybe that's part of the reason.
Like the 4d ag 300 bes.t though.
DavidGarcia
Hall of Fame
My 300 16x18's are on Xmas Holidays due to the current snow conditions here in Ireland.
What is the status of your 300s at the moment?
What is the status of your 300s at the moment?
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
Ace;
I just got a new 300T as well,..but re:snow??,...I'm looking at APRIL till (outside) tennis!!!...(i'll test it out inside before that )
(we are buried in Minn.
)
I just got a new 300T as well,..but re:snow??,...I'm looking at APRIL till (outside) tennis!!!...(i'll test it out inside before that
)(we are buried in Minn.
)
ace18
Professional
Ace;
I just got a new 300T as well,..but re:snow??,...I'm looking at APRIL till (outside) tennis!!!...(i'll test it out inside before that
(we are buried in Minn.
Funny thing, my mom is down for Christmas, from Minnesota and she's griping about the weather we are having, snow and very cold, windy temps. I grew up in MN and played a lot of tennis there as a kid.
Congrats on the 300T. I've tried it a few times before, but as a demo. Now that I have one, I can customize, try different strings, etc, to get more used to the frame. I love my AG300's, 16X19's, so, one would think I could get to the point where I can love the 300T.
Hey, I'm thinking about trying some 300 but never got my hands on one... would anyone be willing to trade a Aerogel or/ Mfil 200 18x20 4 1/2 for either a AG or Mfil 300? let me know if interested, thanks iamfroogle@gmail.com
davedomart
Semi-Pro
I have a son who's looking for a new racquet. He's considering the Yonex RDiS 200 Lite, Dunlop Aerogel 4d 300, & the Tecnifibre T-Fight 295 V02 Max. What are the differences?
rh310
Hall of Fame
I've switched frames. Really liking the AG 4D 300.
shell
Professional
DavidG, it is time to dig out and get hitting! How are your 300s doing after their hibernation?
Just strung some 17g Technifibre NRG2 on my 16x18, upped my tension to 58 and am loving it. I've been using gut hybrid most of the winter.
And to my delight, I realized I have 5 sets of grommets when I thought I only had two more. Now I can relax and dig away on the court. :twisted:
Redflea, where is our Bio300 review?
shell
Professional
soyizgood, yea, I remember you were always a big mfil 400 fan - in the cheap club. It's a nice racquet for sure, and if I remember, you have plenty of them to last.
My issue with the 300 16x18 was running out of grommets. Now I think I'm good for a couple of years, so I'm not looking around anymore. I picked up a Biomimetic 200 lite to demo, thinking it was similar to the 300 16x18. But it is pretty different, even if the stats are similar. I can relax on looking for something to replace the ole trusty 16x18 for a while longer. And I still have 3 AG300s for a change of pace, should I need that
