AeroPro Drive 2013 or Pure Aero (Tour)

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Hello everyeone!
I am a 20 year-old guy of intermediate level. As a child I played in tournaments, then I stopped and now I am here struggling to find my shots.
My usual racquet is a Head Speed MP (YouTek, the white below and black above), 16x19, 315 gr.
What about my style of play? I hit the forehand with enough spin, not as much as Nadal, but neither a flat shot. The backhand (two-handed) tends to be flatter than the FH.
I was thinking about purchasing one of the Babolat series, which in the past I loved playing with.
The racquets that I am considering are:
1) AeroPro Drive 2013
2) Pure Aero
3) Pure Aero Tour
4) Pure Drive
5) Pure Drive Tour

The APD and PA/PAT seem very similar, and from what I understood by surfing on the net the Pure Aero is a racket that needs more spin than the APD, and thus I think the latter would fit me better. But I also read the new PA have many benefits, like power and comfort. Same for the PD, but less spin-friendly (I think I would benefit from an easy to spin racquet).
What do you suggest? With the APD I would save a good amount of money compared to one of the PA/PD line, which would not be a bad thing, definitely.

One last clarification: how to recognize the APD 2013 from older models?

I will try to demo 2 of them, even if the APD is not available, from what I've seen :(

Thank you very much!
 
I've used the 2013 APD for over two years and just got a Pure Aero, because I hit really well with it during a few demo sessions. I do think the PA is a lot more comfortable, has more plow and can absolutely pulverize the ball. That being said, I'm still not sure if I'll stick to it or go back to the APD. I think the APD is the most forgiving stick I've ever used and I've been playing tennis for a LONG time. The APD is easier to control and for me, does everything amazingly well, with no effort. Many people jokingly say that the APD is cheating because it makes the game so easy. I can relate to that. The temptation to stick to the PA is because when it works, it kills :) ! I'll see if I can get the same directional control of my groundstrokes with it. I was never a Pure Drive fan or a Pure Drive Roddick fan.


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CopolyX said:
forgiveness also comes for the stringbed (Strings & Tension) so be mindful of that.
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My experience is using both the APD and Pure Aero with identical string setups, so that being equal, the APD, of course in my subjective opinion, is a far more forgiving frame. I've used two different setups in the PA so far. It's a great frame. The angles, spin and power you get from it are amazing! As has been said by others, it makes your game dangerous.


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True so subjective; I also have both same string bed and have the opposite results. Fine the PA has a larger sweetspot, much less vibration, for some reason the weight distribution / swing weight and static feels better to me. Totally agree...in the right hands and arms...either will amplify your game ...hopefully sending the other side into panic mode....
 
CopolyX said:
True so subjective; I also have both same string bed and have the opposite results. Fine the PA has a larger sweetspot, much less vibration, for some reason the weight distribution / swing weight and static feels better to me. Totally agree...in the right hands and arms...either will amplify your game ...hopefully sending the other side into panic mode....
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Definitely agree about the less vibration and that the swing weight feels better. I'm two ADPs and my Pure Aero are almost the exact swing weight, static weight and balance. The PA does feel much more solid.


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prjacobs said:
Definitely agree about the less vibration and that the swing weight feels better. I'm two ADPs and my Pure Aero are almost the exact swing weight, static weight and balance. The PA does feel much more solid.


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Does the PA need more spin due to its open pattern?
 
BatTennis said:
Does the PA need more spin due to its open pattern?
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I think the PA gives your more spin, but the APD also gives you a TON of spin. The PA hits a heavier ball. I just played with the PA again this morning and I'm feeling more and more that I'm going to stick with it.

I don't know if you said what your level of play is, but oddly, despite the APD being the most popular frame in the world, I think it works best for better players. Many people complain about harshness outside of the sweet spot, but more advanced players don't miss as much. Both of these frames reward faster racquet head speeds. Yes, people do complain about the lack of control, but these frames aren't for everyone. At first, I felt like the PA wasn't as responsive at the tip as the APD, but I seem to be more grooved with the frame now. Maybe it was because the tip is a little firmer than the APD. If you can demo these, definitely do. I usually demo at least 15 frames when I'm in the market for something new.


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prjacobs said:
I think the PA gives your more spin, but the APD also gives you a TON of spin. The PA hits a heavier ball. I just played with the PA again this morning and I'm feeling more and more that I'm going to stick with it.

I don't know if you said what your level of play is, but oddly, despite the APD being the most popular frame in the world, I think it works best for better players. Many people complain about harshness outside of the sweet spot, but more advanced players don't miss as much. Both of these frames reward faster racquet head speeds. Yes, people do complain about the lack of control, but these frames aren't for everyone. At first, I felt like the PA wasn't as responsive at the tip as the APD, but I seem to be more grooved with the frame now. Maybe it was because the tip is a little firmer than the APD. If you can demo these, definitely do. I usually demo at least 15 frames when I'm in the market for something new.


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Will definitely try to demo the racquets!
Have you had the chance to try the Tour version?

Another question, is it true that Babolat racquets have larger grips? If I normally use a L3 should I go for a L2?
 
BatTennis said:
Will definitely try to demo the racquets!
Have you had the chance to try the Tour version?

Another question, is it true that Babolat racquets have larger grips? If I normally use a L3 should I go for a L2?
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I never played the tour. The Pure Drive Roddick wasn't great for me, so I wasn't tempted to try the Pure Aero tour. I like how easy it is to swing a lighter frame. I'm not sure about the grip size. I like using small grips. I've gone from an L4 to an L2.


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BatTennis said:
Another question, is it true that Babolat racquets have larger grips? If I normally use a L3 should I go for a L2?
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I just got the PA and PAT to demo yesterday. I normal play with a L4 Volkl racquet, and the L4 Babolat feels huge. L3 feels about right for me.
 
All good racquets. The tours are great if you can swing them. I find them a little challenging for three sets of singles and that's my rule. If I can't swing a stick for three sets of singles, I need to move down.
Here's my quick take.

The PD is the most versatile but it's also the lightest of the three. It is the best at controlling direction and fattening out a shot. It still has very good spin potential but I find it a little light to volley with.

The 2013 APD feels more like a PD than previous versions. The launch angle is a little higher than the PD, which can make 1/2 volleys and volleys a little harder. It still has really good directional control. Volleying is O.K. but shaky. Spin serves are great but you have to really hit through the ball to get pace or string in the low 50's.

The PA adds power,mass and spin to the APD. It does this at the loss of some control. It has a much more open pattern than the APD, which will soften up the bed. The APD feels harsh in comparison however, I find the sweet spot so big on the PA, it's hard to feel what my shots are doing. I find volleying better with the PA as it has more mass.

Between the two Aero's, I would break it down like this. (my opinion only) If you are a shot maker, the APD or PD might be a better choice. If you are more of a counter-puncher who spends a lot of time hitting rally balls and using that ball to force errors, the PA is hard to beat. It hits a very heavy ball. I find I get myself in trouble when I try to go for too much, meaning aiming for small targets, with the PA.
 
I forgot,
I went down a size with the Babolats and it made a huge difference. Babolats run big compared to my other sticks.
 
pfrischmann said:
Between the two Aero's, I would break it down like this. (my opinion only) If you are a shot maker, the APD or PD might be a better choice. If you are more of a counter-puncher who spends a lot of time hitting rally balls and using that ball to force errors, the PA is hard to beat. It hits a very heavy ball. I find I get myself in trouble when I try to go for too much, meaning aiming for small targets, with the PA.
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Thank you, very helpful and clear answer :)
 
pfrischmann said:
All good racquets. The tours are great if you can swing them. I find them a little challenging for three sets of singles and that's my rule. If I can't swing a stick for three sets of singles, I need to move down.
Here's my quick take.

The PD is the most versatile but it's also the lightest of the three. It is the best at controlling direction and fattening out a shot. It still has very good spin potential but I find it a little light to volley with.

The 2013 APD feels more like a PD than previous versions. The launch angle is a little higher than the PD, which can make 1/2 volleys and volleys a little harder. It still has really good directional control. Volleying is O.K. but shaky. Spin serves are great but you have to really hit through the ball to get pace or string in the low 50's.

The PA adds power,mass and spin to the APD. It does this at the loss of some control. It has a much more open pattern than the APD, which will soften up the bed. The APD feels harsh in comparison however, I find the sweet spot so big on the PA, it's hard to feel what my shots are doing. I find volleying better with the PA as it has more mass.

Between the two Aero's, I would break it down like this. (my opinion only) If you are a shot maker, the APD or PD might be a better choice. If you are more of a counter-puncher who spends a lot of time hitting rally balls and using that ball to force errors, the PA is hard to beat. It hits a very heavy ball. I find I get myself in trouble when I try to go for too much, meaning aiming for small targets, with the PA.
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Well said!
The jury is still out for me on the PA in terms of directional control compared to my usual 2013 APD. It's just so much of a animal of a frame that it takes some getting used to, but after about ten times playing with it, I'm starting to figure this frame out. I just can't seem to put it down and go back to my APD :) . I'll see how much I can dial in my strokes over the next few weeks.
My lefty serve has always gotten me a lot of free points on the 4.0 level. It's a weapon for me. With both frames, I find that it's my spin and directional control that pays more dividends than my speed. The flat, faster serves can be blocked back easier by the better players. On a side note, it's remarkable how many of my 4.0 opponents over hit their serves and have poor technique. Some players toss the ball so poorly, I can eliminate half the box. Both frames serve really well, with the advantage going to the PA. I've been hitting serves that look like they're going long, but then bend into the box. It's literally made me reevaluate what I can do on serves.
My forehand is also a weapon for me and the PA sort of feels like an APD on steroids. It's hard to resist...
The PA also feels more solid against pace. As a lefty with a one handed backhand, my favorite thing is winning a cross court rally against a righty's forehand.
So - the general theme is. The PA feels like an APD with a supercharger. If I can harness the power, the pace and the angles that it can create are addictive.


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prjacobs said:
Well said!
The jury is still out for me on the PA in terms of directional control compared to my usual 2013 APD. It's just so much of a animal of a frame that it takes some getting used to, but after about ten times playing with it, I'm starting to figure this frame out. I just can't seem to put it down and go back to my APD :) . I'll see how much I can dial in my strokes over the next few weeks.
My lefty serve has always gotten me a lot of free points on the 4.0 level. It's a weapon for me. With both frames, I find that it's my spin and directional control that pays more dividends than my speed. The flat, faster serves can be blocked back easier by the better players. On a side note, it's remarkable how many of my 4.0 opponents over hit their serves and have poor technique. Some players toss the ball so poorly, I can eliminate half the box. Both frames serve really well, with the advantage going to the PA. I've been hitting serves that look like they're going long, but then bend into the box. It's literally made me reevaluate what I can do on serves.
My forehand is also a weapon for me and the PA sort of feels like an APD on steroids. It's hard to resist...
The PA also feels more solid against pace. As a lefty with a one handed backhand, my favorite thing is winning a cross court rally against a righty's forehand.
So - the general theme is. The PA feels like an APD with a supercharger. If I can harness the power, the pace and the angles that it can create are addictive.


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Yeah,
For me the hardest adjustment has been the more finesse-ful shots. Angle volleys and even slice serves. I get so much power out of the PA, it feels like I just get too much pop to control shots like this.
 
I should probably demo the Pure Aero next week, if all goes well! Can't find an APD to demo in my area, unfortunately :( Guess I'll just go with the PA if I like it.
 
I have the PAT with a Babolat leather grip and +9.5 g Blu-Tack under the cap.

I normally play with the PS90 (2014), and the PAT is far less manoeuvrable than the PS90 (of course). It also seems to have a significantly higher swingweight (which may be due to the additional weight I've added to it).

If you like your racquets heavy right off the bat, the PAT is not a bad idea, but for most people the PA with lead tape will be a better idea.

The APD 2013 swings lighter than either of them, with more control but less spin.
 
pfrischmann said:
Yeah,
For me the hardest adjustment has been the more finesse-ful shots. Angle volleys and even slice serves. I get so much power out of the PA, it feels like I just get too much pop to control shots like this.
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PA update. I'm feeling soreness in my wrist. Something I've never felt in two years of using the 2013 APD and something I've never felt in over 25 years of playing tennis. I love the frame, but it may be history for me. I added some lead to my APD, following your recommendations of 4" from the tip and the same amount under the grip. Only a total of 2 grams :) . I can always add more....


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pfrischmann said:
What are you stringing it at? What strings?
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Same poly (made for R.P.N.Y. - they say it's like rpm blast but better for a greater variety of strokes) as in my APDs. 52lbs. It may be that I've just hit a little too much lately. I guess I could go to a poly/multi.
For what it's worth, I'm a long time customer at R.P.N.Y., and Roman Prokes, the owner, has said he's starting to hear about wrist issues with the PA.

Maybe I should try some Cyclone in it...



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Moveforwardalways said:
Weight up the 2013 APD to similar specs as the PAT and you will have a pretty solid racquet.
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Thanks for the suggestion... But :)
I've had no problems with my 2013 APDs for over two years. I wasn't a fan of the Pure Drive Roddick which is what the PAT basically is, weight wise. I might try to tail weight my PA a bit, but what I like about both the PA and APDs are the lighter weight.
I've used a ton of heavier frames and I just play better with lighter ones these days.


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Today I will finally try both racquets! (standard models)
I will do a little comparison to help people in deciding between the two.

Btw, I sn finding a lot of people swtxhing switching from PA back to APD in markets, that's interesting.
 
Tried only the Pure Aero, APD was not on demo :\

Well... that's a powerful stick! At first I found very hard to control the power, but after a while, I could hit incredibly well, despite bad strings.
In particular, I found my backhand and serve to be incredible, a little less my forehands (especially low-powered balls), not bad on volleys.
It is indeed true that without spin the ball just flies, same for bad serves.
But the power this racquet have... well, it's just amazing.

I hope I'll have a chance to try the APD, but I am probably going with the PA, it's just awesome!
 
BatTennis said:
Tried only the Pure Aero, APD was not on demo :\

Well... that's a powerful stick! At first I found very hard to control the power, but after a while, I could hit incredibly well, despite bad strings.
In particular, I found my backhand and serve to be incredible, a little less my forehands (especially low-powered balls), not bad on volleys.
It is indeed true that without spin the ball just flies, same for bad serves.
But the power this racquet have... well, it's just amazing.

I hope I'll have a chance to try the APD, but I am probably going with the PA, it's just awesome!
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Another Babolat player is born. Remember, this will ruin you for other racquet brands. Once you go Babolat, you never go back.
 
sweetrugger said:
I just got the PA and PAT to demo yesterday. I normal play with a L4 Volkl racquet, and the L4 Babolat feels huge. L3 feels about right for me.
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Hi Sweetrugger!
You're gonna laugh out loud now but my messenger function in tapatalk is f@cked. So here goes with the pics I sent you:

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Sorry for the very short and temporary derail of thread. Carry on. :-)


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BatTennis said:
Tried only the Pure Aero, APD was not on demo :\

Well... that's a powerful stick! At first I found very hard to control the power, but after a while, I could hit incredibly well, despite bad strings.
In particular, I found my backhand and serve to be incredible, a little less my forehands (especially low-powered balls), not bad on volleys.
It is indeed true that without spin the ball just flies, same for bad serves.
But the power this racquet have... well, it's just amazing.

I hope I'll have a chance to try the APD, but I am probably going with the PA, it's just awesome!
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Welcome to the PA! When I came back into tennis in December I hit with a ton of rackets. Good buddy of mine has several APD's so I could always borrow one to compare my demo's too. IMHO APD is awesome, however if you have been hitting it a couple of years I feel you of course you will be more accurate and consistent with it against any other racket. Even similar rackets like the PA. If you decide on the PA here's what I found works for me:

Try lots of strings, for me the PA loves poly. Start with 15 or 16 gauge between 48-53lbs. Only work up to 16L or 17 if you are consistent for a while in lower gauges. I found shaped polys harsh so be careful with those. I should have started with the softer polys first. It's very easy to over hit with the PA because you can become addicted to the power. That's where I feel players can have wrist pain. As my pro says, "take baby steps". One of my most effective shots with the PA is the slice backhand. A great shot against heavy serves to my backhand. I can hit a deadly down the line or drop shot with it that will have those servers jaws dropping with disbelief. I'm 61 years young and I've never experienced wrist-arm pain with the PA. I use a soft poly and hit the ball fairly hard. I play 3-4 times a week, but I also do a full 16 machine Nautilus workout at least 2-3 times a week. Best of luck with whatever you decide on.


 
Zavist said:
Welcome to the PA! When I came back into tennis in December I hit with a ton of rackets. Good buddy of mine has several APD's so I could always borrow one to compare my demo's too. IMHO APD is awesome, however if you have been hitting it a couple of years I feel you of course you will be more accurate and consistent with it against any other racket. Even similar rackets like the PA. If you decide on the PA here's what I found works for me:

Try lots of strings, for me the PA loves poly. Start with 15 or 16 gauge between 48-53lbs. Only work up to 16L or 17 if you are consistent for a while in lower gauges. I found shaped polys harsh so be careful with those. I should have started with the softer polys first. It's very easy to over hit with the PA because you can become addicted to the power. That's where I feel players can have wrist pain. As my pro says, "take baby steps". One of my most effective shots with the PA is the slice backhand. A great shot against heavy serves to my backhand. I can hit a deadly down the line or drop shot with it that will have those servers jaws dropping with disbelief. I'm 61 years young and I've never experienced wrist-arm pain with the PA. I use a soft poly and hit the ball fairly hard. I play 3-4 times a week, but I also do a full 16 machine Nautilus workout at least 2-3 times a week. Best of luck with whatever you decide on.
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Hey, thank you very much for your reply!
As of now I still havent bought the PA like I said! And couldn't try the APD 2013. I am playing well again with my Head Speed MP.
However, I am going to change racquet soon. I was thinking to buy the PA as I liked it, but the APD 2013 is still very tempting, with a bit less power. I tried the Pure Drive 2015: good racquet, can't understand all the fuss about it though!
 
I sold my PA a while ago and went back to my 2013 APD. The other day, I played with the guy I sold my PA to. I picked it up and realized how much better the 2013 APD is for me.


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BatTennis said:
May I ask you why?
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Yeah, me too I want to know. For me anyway I came into the PA without a long experience with the APD. I can't blame him for going back the APD, it's an awesome stick. My theory on control issues with the PA comes down to strings and hitting style. Again IMHO, for me I would not use the same string in both rackets, if I chose the APD I'd likely find a string that would work best. In the PA I'd do the same, very doubtful if both strings would be the same. Did you ever consider the Blade? The pro's where I hit are the best Wilson salesmen ever. They keep touting the new Blade so I'm sure I'll have to hit with it a bunch. I also liked the Yonex DR's. Nice rackets but I would have to buy one outright and demo some different strings and that can get costly.
 
Zavist said:
Yeah, me too I want to know. For me anyway I came into the PA without a long experience with the APD. I can't blame him for going back the APD, it's an awesome stick. My theory on control issues with the PA comes down to strings and hitting style. Again IMHO, for me I would not use the same string in both rackets, if I chose the APD I'd likely find a string that would work best. In the PA I'd do the same, very doubtful if both strings would be the same. Did you ever consider the Blade? The pro's where I hit are the best Wilson salesmen ever. They keep touting the new Blade so I'm sure I'll have to hit with it a bunch. I also liked the Yonex DR's. Nice rackets but I would have to buy one outright and demo some different strings and that can get costly.
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I loved the Pure Aero when I demoed it, but I did feel more of a jarring response than with my 2013 APDs. I thought it might be the thin grip on the demo. I use a very padded, thick grip on my frames. For me, a long time player - I find that the 2013 APD is the easiest playing and most forgiving frame I've ever used. I only demoed one because all of the other frames I wanted to try were out of my local shop, so I thought I'd give it shot and see if it lived up to all of the incredible hype. For me - it did. Virtually every part of my game was so easy and better. I was coming from a 12.2 ounce MGRadPro, and never considered such a light, stiff frame. So - the bar was set very high for the Pure Aero. It had to be amazing to beat the APD for me. I've said this before on the forum, so forgive me for repeating myself.. But - the enticing thing about the PA is that you can absolutely pulverize the ball with it. It also serves amazingly well. However, for me, and others, it's much harder to control, has way less feel than the 2013 ADP and it's less maneuverable. I lost the variety of shots that I could hit with the PA compared to the APD. It does feel more solid that the APD, but neither frame feels like a 12+ ounce stick.
Finally - experiencing wrist pain was an absolute deal breaker...
And also repeating myself, the owner of a well known boutique tennis shop in New York has found many people who went from the APD to the PA, also had wrist pain. Like me, they went back to the APD and the pain stopped. In my opinion, there's a reason why the APD was the biggest selling frame in the world. It's that good.


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Thanks for the response prjacobs. Glad you're back to the APD. After I'm over my 6 month promise to my pro about changing things I'm going to give the APD a long term test. I came from the Ashe Comp 2 then into the Wilsons and hit the RF97 Autograph for a long time. I took a hiatus from tennis for a while and when I came back the RF caused shoulder pain. Went down in weight thru the Wilsons but never found anything that could offer the wow factor, (for me) of the RF until the PA. I could probably still hit the RF if I played 1-2 times a week but not the 3-4 times a week I play now. Just wondering what strings and tension do you put in your APD? Thanks and happy hitting.
 
Zavist said:
Thanks for the response prjacobs. Glad you're back to the APD. After I'm over my 6 month promise to my pro about changing things I'm going to give the APD a long term test. I came from the Ashe Comp 2 then into the Wilsons and hit the RF97 Autograph for a long time. I took a hiatus from tennis for a while and when I came back the RF caused shoulder pain. Went down in weight thru the Wilsons but never found anything that could offer the wow factor, (for me) of the RF until the PA. I could probably still hit the RF if I played 1-2 times a week but not the 3-4 times a week I play now. Just wondering what strings and tension do you put in your APD? Thanks and happy hitting.
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I used a 12.9 ounce Prince Precision Graphite MP640 for quite a while and that weight ultimately got to my shoulder as well. It's a totally different game with a light weight stick like the APD. Mine are 11.4 ounces with a 324 swing weight. The trade off with adding lead is it slows up the frame if you add too much. I'm not a big believer in adding so much lead that you defeat the design elements of the stick.
I'm using Hyper G 17 or Cyclone 17 @53 lbs. I'm thinking of going up a pound or two... I was an all gut user in my heavier, less powerful frames.


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Unfortunately I'm not able to demo APD, so I will probably go with the PA that I could test, but thank you guys anyway for your insightful replies!
 
BatTennis said:
Hello everyeone!
I am a 20 year-old guy of intermediate level. As a child I played in tournaments, then I stopped and now I am here struggling to find my shots.
My usual racquet is a Head Speed MP (YouTek, the white below and black above), 16x19, 315 gr.
What about my style of play? I hit the forehand with enough spin, not as much as Nadal, but neither a flat shot. The backhand (two-handed) tends to be flatter than the FH.
I was thinking about purchasing one of the Babolat series, which in the past I loved playing with.
The racquets that I am considering are:
1) AeroPro Drive 2013
2) Pure Aero
3) Pure Aero Tour
4) Pure Drive
5) Pure Drive Tour

The APD and PA/PAT seem very similar, and from what I understood by surfing on the net the Pure Aero is a racket that needs more spin than the APD, and thus I think the latter would fit me better. But I also read the new PA have many benefits, like power and comfort. Same for the PD, but less spin-friendly (I think I would benefit from an easy to spin racquet).
What do you suggest? With the APD I would save a good amount of money compared to one of the PA/PD line, which would not be a bad thing, definitely.

One last clarification: how to recognize the APD 2013 from older models?

I will try to demo 2 of them, even if the APD is not available, from what I've seen :(

Thank you very much!
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fibonacci888 said:
Definately give PAT a try. It's a beast!
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I'll echo @fibonacci888 .. I think the PAT is the best long-term investment. It won't require customization or lead tape application because the frame already is inherently stable and still easy to swing. I really suggest you take a look at the PAT or even the Pure Strike 16x19. The Pure Strike is thinner frame, much like your current IG Speed. Best of luck mate
 
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