Aeropro or Yonex- long lasting dilemma

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Boricua

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For the past four years approximately, I have used the APD, first the Cortex then the GT. I have also used the past two years Yonex rackets. I used an RDIS 100 MP pretty much and for brief l time an RDIS 200 and 300. In February,2011 I bought a Yonex VCore 100 S which I like pretty much and use now some days and other days I use the APD GT.

This morning I played 20 minutes with a Yonex VCore S. Very solid, very stable, huge sweet spot. super comfortable. Nonetheless, I still cant figure out how to, in a natural way, hit the topspin stroke that I hit with the APD GT.

Today, after 20 minutes of hitting with the Vcore, I switched to the APD GT and hit nonstop for 40 minutes, just baseline strokes. Didnt have the solidness or huge sweetspot of the VCORe but like magic, from the start, I went under the ball and hit my "windshield or brushing the ball"" stroke to generate pretty heavy topspin. With the VCORE I still cant do this consistently, just ocassionally. Dont know if it is because of the isometric shape of the racket, the different swingweight or any other reason

So, besides the Aero design of the APD, what other reasons could there be for topsin to come so naturally with this racket?

Also, is going gut mains/copoly crosses or full gut (or full multi) a good way of taming the stiffness, getting more feel and enlarging the APD's sweetspot? I know that in theory it will help but any comments are appreciated. I am worried that these setups will have to much power.

Ill keep posting my impressions possibly, until I figure out my dilemma thatt started a few years ago.:)
 
My guess is that the large difference in swingweight is a significant factor. Maybe you could try some lead at 12 on the Yonex to bring up the swingweight and see if that improves the performance?
 
Its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. No way the isometric head shape would make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently, it's all in your head if thats the case.
 
Maestro Nalbandian said:
Its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. No way the isometric head shape would make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently, it's all in your head if thats the case.
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I disagree, you don't gain anything for nothing. The isometric is said to increase sweet spot compare to a oval shape, it MUST have some trade off, else everyone would be making isometric head. I don't believe for a sec it's simply better.
 
Readers said:
I disagree, you don't gain anything for nothing. The isometric is said to increase sweet spot compare to a oval shape, it MUST have some trade off, else everyone would be making isometric head. I don't believe for a sec it's simply better.
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No one said it's simply better. Some people find the larger sweetspot useful, some just don't like it. But that does not mean it will make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently. It's all in the head if it does.

Like I said its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. If you read my post.
 
I think it is the sheer easy power of the thing, which enables you to accentuate your topspin technique while still retaining massive power.
 
Played with VCore and APD today, both in stock form, non customized. Faced big, toppin hitter. Felt better with the VCore, found it more solid and stable.Ill stick with the japanese stick. I hope this dilemma has ended and the APD ghost does not haunt me anymore.:)

The APD is great for topsin, but overall, for me the VCore is a better choice. A}
 
Maestro Nalbandian said:
No one said it's simply better. Some people find the larger sweetspot useful, some just don't like it. But that does not mean it will make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently. It's all in the head if it does.

Like I said its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. If you read my post.
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Logically, bigger sweet spot is better, you care or not. You are not making any sense, You ARE saying it gained a bigger sweet spot, but could not have any drawback, it just illogical.

BTW I am not saying it is the reason, but it could be the reason.
 
Like I said its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. If you read my post.[/QUOTE said:
BTW, just because I read your post, it does NOT mean I have to agree with it.
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Readers said:
Logically, bigger sweet spot is better, you care or not. You are not making any sense, You ARE saying it gained a bigger sweet spot, but could not have any drawback, it just illogical.

BTW I am not saying it is the reason, but it could be the reason.
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Where exactly did I say, "but could not have any drawback"?

This is what I said "Some people find the larger sweetspot useful, some just don't like it. But that does not mean it will make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently".

I will say it again, the reason OP may find him or herself unable to hit heavy topspin consistently was most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything (ie isometric headshape).

Does this make sense to you?
 
Boricua said:
Played with VCore and APD today, both in stock form, non customized. Faced big, toppin hitter. Felt better with the VCore, found it more solid and stable.Ill stick with the japanese stick. I hope this dilemma has ended and the APD ghost does not haunt me anymore.:)

The APD is great for topsin, but overall, for me the VCore is a better choice. A}
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It's good to hear you've made your choice. I'm sure over time with enough practice and adjustments you'd be able to hit just as much if not more heavy topspin as the APD.
 
Maestro Nalbandian said:
Where exactly did I say, "but could not have any drawback"?

This is what I said "Some people find the larger sweetspot useful, some just don't like it. But that does not mean it will make you or anyone hit topspin less consistently".

I will say it again, the reason OP may find him or herself unable to hit heavy topspin consistently was most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything (ie isometric headshape).

Does this make sense to you?
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No，just because you think some people doesn't care about an advantage, does not mean it's not there. And you deny it could cause drawbacks, which is illogical.
 
Readers said:
No，just because you think some people doesn't care about an advantage, does not mean it's not there. And you deny it could cause drawbacks, which is illogical.
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lol. I don't actually understand what you are talking about. Here is my post again,
the reason OP may find him or herself unable to hit heavy topspin consistently was most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything (ie isometric headshape).
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You can interpret it however you like.
 
Readers said:
Dude, just because you can repeat it many times DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.
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lol. Do you know any other sentences other than "JUST BECAUSE...... DOES NOT MEAN......."?

And stop hijacking the thread, if you don't have any comments for the OP then stop posting. I don't really give a ** whether you agree with me or not.
 
Of course you could just lead up APD to make it more stable. that's what people do, that's what pros do. APD is special, I can tell you that.
 
This post is not meant for Maestro Nalbandian, as if he does not understand my last post, there is no way he can understand this.

The idea of weight and balance are the only thing affect spin is basically saying, you can make all frames equal in term of spin potential with lead tape... It's so wrong, I don't know how can someone think something so illogical to be... I am wordless on this one.
 
Readers said:
This post is not meant for Maestro Nalbandian, as if he does not understand my last post, there is no way he can understand this.

The idea of weight and balance are the only thing affect spin is basically saying, you can make all frames equal in term of spin potential with lead tape... It's so wrong, I don't know how can someone think something so illogical to be... I am wordless on this one.
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Ok I see where it went wrong for Reader's logical reasoning ability. Maybe Reader should point out where exactly did Maestro Nalbandian say "you can make all frames equal in term of spin potential with lead tape"?

What Maestro Nalbandian said was this "the reason OP may find him or herself unable to hit heavy topspin consistently was most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything (ie isometric headshape). " The key word was "likely". NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

Now stop putting words in other people's mouth just because you have difficulties understanding basic reasoning.
 
2Hare said:
Of course you could just lead up APD to make it more stable. that's what people do, that's what pros do. APD is special, I can tell you that.
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This is true also. A good lead modification would make any racquet more stable. It doesn't have to be a Yonex or Babolat....
 
Maestro Nalbandian said:
Ok I see where it went wrong for Reader's logical reasoning ability. Maybe Reader should point out where exactly did Maestro Nalbandian say "you can make all frames equal in term of spin potential with lead tape"?

What Maestro Nalbandian said was this "the reason OP may find him or herself unable to hit heavy topspin consistently was most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything (ie isometric headshape). " The key word was "likely". NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

Now stop putting words in other people's mouth just because you have difficulties understanding basic reasoning.
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Oh, likely, right. That's why you got so worked up when I said it very well be other factor such as head shape?

Here:

"Like I said its most likely caused by the differences in swingweight and balance more than anything. If you read my post. "

You flat out said, if I read your post, I should agree it's most likely caused by differences in swing weight and balance.

Which I disagree, then you went on and repeat this over and over and over and....

Yeah it's just like likely, right.
 
There are other more important factors that would affect OP's consistency to hit heavy topspin than the isometric headshape. lol

But if you insist on the headshape then so be it. I'm not here to convince you what to think. No one is worked up here and you don't need to be either. This is tennis forum not your job, just get used to it.;)
 
Maestro Nalbandian said:
There are other more important factors that would affect OP's consistency to hit heavy topspin than the isometric headshape. lol

But if you insist on the headshape then so be it. I'm not here to convince you what to think. No one is worked up here and you don't need to be either. This is tennis forum not your job, just get used to it.;)
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So long you are not trying to make it a fact that it is not the headshape, I am fine with it too. :)
 
Spin potential tends to go down for a frame when you increase its swing weight. So adding lead is not likely to help VCore 100's spin. Every frame "likes" different string setup, so instead of modifying your yonex with lead, you should try out different string setup to find one that suit your new racket.

APD get its monstrous spins through its weight distribution, stiffness, aerodynamic frame. I doubt that you'll ever find the same amount of spin in VCore 100
 
Readers said:
So long you are not trying to make it a fact that it is not the headshape, I am fine with it too. :)
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Never did. ;) It all depends on how you interpret my post. But its good to know you realize I wasn't stating a fact.

I was basically saying the same thing from the first post, that it is most likely due to swingweight and balance (ie weight distribution) more than headshape. Here we go again. lol
 
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