After 4 years...Fed beat Djokovic!

BH40love

Rookie
Now everyone chill out on the GOAT Fed. He absolutely smashed Djokovic in about a hour and he’s almost 39.... :cool:
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
That's 2 matches in a row now where Federer has dominated Djokovic. The Wimbledon outcome was an anomaly as Federer was the better player which was reflected in all the key stats.
More sets won, more games won, more points won, more return points won, more breaks, more winners, etc., etc. Sjokovic is damn lucky Federer gave away a Wimbledon title that was in the 38 year old’s hands the entire match.

At Wimbledon

Total points: 218 to 204 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 7 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 79 for Federer, 64 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 1.16 in favor of Federer
• Winners: 94 for Federer, 54 for Djokovic
• FH winners from baseline: 18 for Fed, 14 for Djokovic
• BH winners from baseline: 7 for Fed, 8 for Djokovc
• Volley winners: 22 for Federer, 3 for Djokovic

This is the most one player has been better than an opponent in a slam final and still “lost” from matches we have numbers for.

At WTF with #1 on the line for Djokovic

Total points: 67 to 44 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 3 times for Federer, 0 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 29 for Federer, 11 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 2.14 in favor of Federer

2019 Season

Total points: 285 to 248 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 10 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 108 for Federer, 76 for Djokovic
 
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vex

Hall of Fame
More sets won, more games won, more points won, more return points won, more breaks, more winners, etc., etc. Sjokovic is damn lucky Federer have away a Wimbledon title that was in the 38 year okd’s hands the entire match.

At Wimbledon

Total points: 218 to 204 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 7 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 79 for Federer, 64 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 1.16 in favor of Federer
• Winners: 94 for Federer, 54 for Djokovic
• FH winners from baseline: 18 for Fed, 14 for Djokovic
• BH winners from baseline: 7 for Fed, 8 for Djokovc
• Volley winners: 22 for Federer, 3 for Djokovic

This is the most one player has been better than an opponent in a slam final and still “lost” from matches we have numbers for.

At WTF with #1 on the line for Djokovic

Total points: 67 to 44 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 3 times for Federer, 0 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 29 for Federer, 11 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 2.14 in favor of Federer

2019 Season

Total points: 285 to 248 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 10 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 108 for Federer, 76 for Djokovic
It’s almost like they’re two of the best players ever and thier matches are often really competitive and close....
 

RelentlessAttack

Professional
More sets won, more games won, more points won, more return points won, more breaks, more winners, etc., etc. Sjokovic is damn lucky Federer have away a Wimbledon title that was in the 38 year okd’s hands the entire match.

At Wimbledon

Total points: 218 to 204 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 7 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 79 for Federer, 64 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 1.16 in favor of Federer
• Winners: 94 for Federer, 54 for Djokovic
• FH winners from baseline: 18 for Fed, 14 for Djokovic
• BH winners from baseline: 7 for Fed, 8 for Djokovc
• Volley winners: 22 for Federer, 3 for Djokovic

This is the most one player has been better than an opponent in a slam final and still “lost” from matches we have numbers for.

At WTF with #1 on the line for Djokovic

Total points: 67 to 44 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 3 times for Federer, 0 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 29 for Federer, 11 for Djokovic
• Dominance Ratio: 2.14 in favor of Federer

2019 Season

Total points: 285 to 248 in favor of Federer
• Breaking serve: 10 times for Federer, 3 times for Djokovic
• Receiving points won: 108 for Federer, 76 for Djokovic
Consider as well that 2019 Nole has had 8 years more practice and experience since 2011 to reach his absolute peak and this looks even more damning
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Yes, clearly reflected.

“Champion” Lol. Didn’t play anyone until he got to great grandfather Federer and then couldn’t earn a breakpoint against the old man until late in the 4th set even though Federer was serving like 115 mph. Then, GreatGrandPaerer benevolently gave him the match that was in the Swiss Octocentuarian’s hands the entire time.
 
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Purplemonster

Hall of Fame
That's 2 matches in a row now where Federer has dominated Djokovic. The Wimbledon outcome was an anomaly as Federer was the better player which was reflected in all the key stats.
The only thing that matters is who wins the match. Amazing how Federer easily disposed of Djokovic in a mickey Mouse tournament. S%*t the bed at Wimbledon, couldn’t play the big points properly and that’s what the sport is all about.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
The only thing that matters is who wins the match. Amazing how Federer easily disposed of Djokovic in a mickey Mouse tournament. S%*t the bed at Wimbledon, couldn’t play the big points properly and that’s what the sport is all about.
“Wins the match” according to the AD system. Djokovic got outplayed left and right and was lucky to receive a gift. That’s it.

As for “that’s what the sport is about,” no, it’s not. This was a one time fluke anomaly. Try to find one other match in which the player who “lost”:

—Won 14 more more points than his opponent, won 15 more return points, broke 4 more times than his opponent.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Federer easily disposed of Djokovic in a mickey Mouse tournament.
Wasn't just that. Federer ruined Djokovic's chance to finish as YE #1 and tie Sampras' record for a 6th YE #1. That's pretty relevant. And now Djokovic goes into 2020 to defend 2000 points at the Australian Open so there's not much margin for error. He's got basically no breathing room.
 

Tenacity

Professional
“Champion” Lol. Didn’t play anyone until he got to great grandfather Federer and then couldn’t earn a breakpoint against the old man until late in the 4th set even though Federer was serving like 115 mph. Then, GreatGrandPaerer benevolently gave him the match that was in the Swiss Octocentuarian’s hands the entire time.
That is a lot of salt. Oh my..
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Wasn't just that. Federer ruined Djokovic's chance to finish as YE #1 and tie Sampras' record for a 6th YE #1. That's pretty relevant. And now Djokovic goes into 2020 to defend 2000 points at the Australian Open so there's not much margin for error. He's got basically no breathing room.
Wait... he's the "GOAT!" "Stats" prove this! Get on board, buddy, you're late to the train.
 

Terry Tibbs

Professional
The only thing that matters is who wins the match. Amazing how Federer easily disposed of Djokovic in a mickey Mouse tournament. S%*t the bed at Wimbledon, couldn’t play the big points properly and that’s what the sport is all about.
It's not a Mickey mouse tournament. It's a major event. I believe it's considered the second most prestigious event behind the slams so higher in importance than the masters 1000 events.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Wasn't just that. Federer ruined Djokovic's chance to finish as YE #1 and tie Sampras' record for a 6th YE #1. That's pretty relevant. And now Djokovic goes into 2020 to defend 2000 points at the Australian Open so there's not much margin for error. He's got basically no breathing room.
To me, this is the absolute most significant thing out of this WTF. Djokovic will need to finish #1 next year to be able to tie Sampras (although Djokovic did finish ITF #1 in 2013). Which is extremely possible if he can hold his form. The other extremely significant thing is Nadal ties Federer YE#1 count and is only one slam away from tying him (although slam count to me is mostly insignificant).

I think the only reason Federer stays around anymore is to give himself a chance to defend his legacy (which quite honestly doesn't need defending) by preventing Djokovic and Nadal from further taking chunks out of his backside.
 

yokied

Professional
Federer going a putrid 4/23 in BPs against Djokovic at US Open 2015 is another telling stat that Federer simply can create numerous opportunities but not capitalize on them when he faces Djokovic. That's actually almost as bad as Federer going 1/17 in BPs against Nadal at Roland Garros 2007.
These are the posts that hurt the most. The ones that he should had a good long hard look at and sanely concluded that his game needed to be altered to beat these guys. He really should've had a better plan against Nadal by 2007 and a better plan against Novak by 2012. His story, all 90 square inches of it, will be one of truly epic stubbornness.

I think the only reason Federer stays around anymore is to give himself a chance to defend his legacy (which quite honestly doesn't need defending) by preventing Djokovic and Nadal from further taking chunks out of his backside.
Pretty much. All three of them know how much work it takes to stay in this war and seeing them sit around that table having a casual chat about it like it's nothing is just surreal. They must absolutely hate each other. Can you imagine Mac, Jimmy, Ivan, Borg, Becker, Sampras, Agassi etc sitting around like that when it just keeps dragging on and on and on... and on... and on...? I honestly think Fed might be the last one to retire.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
These are the posts that hurt the most. The ones that he should had a good long hard look at and sanely concluded that his game needed to be altered to beat these guys. He really should've had a better plan against Nadal by 2007 and a better plan against Novak by 2012. His story, all 90 square inches of it, will be one of truly epic stubbornness.



Pretty much. All three of them know how much work it takes to stay in this war and seeing them sit around that table having a casual chat about it like it's nothing is just surreal. They must absolutely hate each other. Can you imagine Mac, Jimmy, Ivan, Borg, Becker, Sampras, Agassi etc sitting around like that when it just keeps dragging on and on and on... and on... and on...? I honestly think Fed might be the last one to retire.
Fed handled Novak just fine until the end of 2012.

After that age became too much of an issue for any changes to be significant.
 
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