After all the epicness Alcaraz has shown, he still needs Federer's entire slam haul to be standalone record holder

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Incredible to think, Alcaraz has won 5 slams, and most of them won in the most epic way possible.

USO 2022 - Three five set matches in a row, including saving MP in quarter final
W 2023 - A classic fifth set final
RG 2024 - Back to back five set epics in the semis and final, coming back from 2-1 both times
W 2024 - A dominant final display, but battled back from being one game away from losing his 4th round match
RG 2025 - The most insane final, coming back from 0-2 in sets, and saving 3 CP to win in final set tie break

And yet to take the record from Djokovic completely, he STILL needs to get all of Federer's slam title haul, 20 slams. Considering how GOAT tier Federer's slam achievements are, the fact he now has to replicate the results after already doing so much is crazy in itself.

He's off to a good start though, whether he will get there, we will not truly know for a few years, but it shows how difficult of a task this is.

And just for completion, Sinner needs Nadal's entire slam haul from this point on to achieve that feat himself.

The absurdity of what the big 3 will really start to show as we see future players attempt to challenge their numbers.
 
One major a year can be a target, which he should be able to do.

Another one will come along the way in some of the years.

He seems ready for the race.

If he gets a 2018-23 window , then he will be there for sure
 
ND-13 said:
One major a year can be a target, which he should be able to do.

Another one will come along the way in some of the years.

He seems ready for the race.

If he gets a 2018-23 window , then he will be there for sure
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I still think Sinner has a better chance of breaking the record despite being older and having fewer titles. Next year could be like Novak's 2011 season to shine and destroy the whole field.
 
mehdimike said:
I still think Sinner has a better chance of breaking the record despite being older and having fewer titles. Next year could be like Novak's 2011 season to shine and destroy the whole field.
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That was supposed to be 2025 sir

Alcaraz has shown the world how you beat Sinner. At some point soon, someone else will crack the code
 
If he breaks Federer's record of winning his first 7 major finals I'll start getting excited about his potential longevity, right now I'm happy to live in the moment.

At the same though I really hope we don't end up in the situation we were in before where nobody comes along for over a decade who can challenge him and Sinner, which I'm not too confident about when you consider we had the COVID lockdown which undoubtedly would have interrupted youngster development.
 
Rosstour said:
That was supposed to be 2025 sir

Alcaraz has shown the world how you beat Sinner. At some point soon, someone else will crack the code
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Nope. He was losing to someone who had not played in 3 months other than 1 tournament on his best surface. Crack what code? You need to have tools to do that. Who has those required weapons right now?
 
mehdimike said:
I still think Sinner has a better chance of breaking the record despite being older and having fewer titles. Next year could be like Novak's 2011 season to shine and destroy the whole field.
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He has great chances too. I think people who think these two are not going to be there are in for a rude shock.

It is fairly easy to see the gulf in talent , commitment and vision of these two from the rest of the tour. The player to fight them is not on tour yet. So, they have 8 years of freedom already.
 
Alcaraz if he averages 2 slams a year which seems easily doable will surpass Federer before he is 30. As sports science improves the longevity of athletes both Alcaraz and Sinner probably will easily play until their 40s. It seems a nailed on certainty Alcaraz will destroy the slam record as he is so complete and if he dominates Sinner on every surface will probably do it around 30 years age.
Sinner is also super complete so if he bags Wimbledon this year I'll think he should also get 25 plus Majors as he has the game to win a few FOs.
The only record I see as safe is Nadals 14 RGs and that's only because Sinner and Alcaraz are so good on clay that Sinner probably stops Alcaraz occasionally.
The only way the Slam record is safe is if at least 2 other multi slam winners emerge so for those hanging on to the slam record kudos I'd think they should be backing Jack Draper and Shelton immediately
 
The_Order said:
Federer was about to turn 22 when he won his first.

Alcaraz just turned 22 a month ago.

Federer had Nadal stopping him from winning slams...

Competition matters. Always has, always will.

If he gets post covid comp like Djok did... he will rack them up in no time.
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Alcaraz keeps producing performances like yesterday at the other slams he won't need the Slam record to be hailed as GOAT. Mardy Fish already has hailed him as GOAT!!
 
ND-13 said:
One major a year can be a target, which he should be able to do.

Another one will come along the way in some of the years.

He seems ready for the race.

If he gets a 2018-23 window , then he will be there for sure
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I feel Alcaraz will have a career shorter than 15+ years. Fast twitch muscles don't last long!
 
SonnyT said:
I feel Alcaraz will have a career shorter than 15+ years. Fast twitch muscles don't last long!
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We will see . At the rate he is winning even 10 good years seems enough. And once he crosses the 15 major range, he is not going to let it go.
 
Hitman said:
Incredible to think, Alcaraz has won 5 slams, and most of them won in the most epic way possible.

USO 2022 - Three five set matches in a row, including saving MP in quarter final
W 2023 - A classic fifth set final
RG 2024 - Back to back five set epics in the semis and final, coming back from 2-1 both times
W 2024 - A dominant final display, but battled back from being one game away from losing his 4th round match
RG 2025 - The most insane final, coming back from 0-2 in sets, and saving 3 CP to win in final set tie break

And yet to take the record from Djokovic completely, he STILL needs to get all of Federer's slam title haul, 20 slams. Considering how GOAT tier Federer's slam achievements are, the fact he now has to replicate the results after already doing so much is crazy in itself.

He's off to a good start though, whether he will get there, we will not truly know for a few years, but it shows how difficult of a task this is.

And just for completion, Sinner needs Nadal's entire slam haul from this point on to achieve that feat himself.

The absurdity of what the big 3 will really start to show as we see future players attempt to challenge their numbers.
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It is weird how epic his matches were and how little it hits because we are in big 3 hangover mode
 
sinner should break the slam record, instead of carlos though i love watching the latter more

ok some say winning is everything but assuming fed and carlos stopped anymore after the first five, fed is still a much better than carlos with reference to the manner (let alone playing style).

carlos won five but as OP writes, he needed to fight back from difficult situations. Fed relatively won them more effortlessly.
 
His wheels will fall off and he will tear something huge before he gets anywhere close to 20 IMO. As much of a mental chokling as Sinner is, he has a better shot because of hards. Its hard to get to 20 when you only got 1 clay and 1 grass slam a year. Carlos is gonna have to find a way to dominate hards too. And thats hard with his game. And how long is he gonna be able to go with these long epic matches? He can't win easy. Everything has to be a long struggle with the guy. The more miles you accumulate the tougher it is
 
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Alcaraz is going at right pace. But his inability in USO AND AO will hamper him .
And even after winning back to back RG AND WIM many are still not convinced that he will hold fort for long enough.

Alcaraz is great but to think
20 more titles after giving epic RG final .
It seems we are putting too much pressure on Alcaraz .
Let him play and see how far he can go.
Sinner if he is lock on hard court and gives 2 slam every year than still it will need 11 years of sustained effort.
VVIP very very impossible probabilty to reach #25 for any of Alcarz or Sinner.
 
Hitman said:
The absurdity of what the big 3 will really start to show as we see future players attempt to challenge their numbers.
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Yeah it’s incredible to think what each of them accomplished while playing one another. The numbers are there for all to see.

It looks as though this is going to be a two horse race from here on in as they both are well on their way to leaving their individual mark in the game. The one big plus each of them have in trying to catch any of the Big 3 records is that there are only the two of them and not three. That’s a heck of a lot of big titles to go around. There just isn’t anyone around that’s going to beat them unless they either have a bad day or some sort of injury.

I still think Alcaraz will surpass Djokovic. Sinner will be the only one to slow that down in the foreseeable future. You can already see the level of excitement everyone has for the possibility of Alcaraz standing alone at the top. We hope Sinner will be there to challenge him as we all just witnessed what they can do when they play one another.
 
Federers career needed now for Carlos, to become GOAT. For how long can Carlos keep winning these very physical slams? Can Djokovic become a moving target with another slam.
Torben said:
Yeah it’s incredible to think what each of them accomplished while playing one another. The numbers are there for all to see.

It looks as though this is going to be a two horse race from here on in as they both are well on their way to leaving their individual mark in the game. The one big plus each of them have in trying to catch any of the Big 3 records is that there are only the two of them and not three. That’s a heck of a lot of big titles to go around. There just isn’t anyone around that’s going to beat them unless they either have a bad day or some sort of injury.

I still think Alcaraz will surpass Djokovic. Sinner will be the only one to slow that down in the foreseeable future. You can already see the level of excitement everyone has for the possibility of Alcaraz standing alone at the top. We hope Sinner will be there to challenge him as we all just witnessed what they can do when they play one another.
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Surely Alcaraz is going to catch a big injury will all these physical matches, 25 slams is no JOKE.
 
xFedal said:
Federers career needed now for Carlos, to become GOAT. For how long can Carlos keep winning these very physical slams? Can Djokovic become a moving target with another slam.

Surely Alcaraz is going to catch a big injury will all these physical matches, 25 slams is no JOKE.
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Carlos has reached 1/5th of the road .
I will get serious only when he reaches 15 slam mark. Same for Sinner .
People think big 3 are easy to match but mountain looks small when you are far away.
As you reach nearer reality dawns that it is much bigger than you thought.
VVIP very very impossible project.
 
Yes you are very right.

I wonder if he looks at Nadal and sees just how incredibly resilient his body was until the injuries took over in the later part of his career.

We look at these possibilities and can only hope Alcaraz doesn’t run into problems with his body. The thing of it is that both he and Sinner play so hard and we all wonder how long can they do this for. I think looking back at the Big 3 can give us hope that they’ll be around for quite sometime but who really knows for certain.
 
In other words what the tennis gods are saying to Alcaraz:

"Congratulations on an amazing victory over Sinner. Now, if you really want to break the slam record, all you need to do is stay fully healthy, fully motivated and at the top of the tour for the next 10 years and average winning two slams every year. That's all."
 
Torben said:
Yes you are very right.

I wonder if he looks at Nadal and sees just how incredibly resilient his body was until the injuries took over in the later part of his career.

We look at these possibilities and can only hope Alcaraz doesn’t run into problems with his body. The thing of it is that both he and Sinner play so hard and we all wonder how long can they do this for. I think looking back at the Big 3 can give us hope that they’ll be around for quite sometime but who really knows for certain.
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RaulRamirez said:
In other words what the tennis gods are saying to Alcaraz:

"Congratulations on an amazing victory over Sinner. Now, if you really want to break the slam record, all you need to do is stay fully healthy, fully motivated and at the top of the tour for the next 10 years and average winning two slams every year. That's all."
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2 slam per year is impossible.
1 slam per year and throw a 3 slam year in between . Go steady for next 15 years . Maybe you will reach #25.
And beware playing more than necessary.
Safe guard of your body is top on the list.
 
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