Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by BreakPoint, Jun 11, 2012.
Also you forgot to add the ATP needs to steal Rafa's half million Euro watch before each big match.
Thank you, sir. Edited my poast to include your very well thought out suggestion.
I'm sorry, but are you Nadal's personal physician? Or else how can you be sure enough to make a blanket statement like that?
BTW, Lance Armstrong has been saying the same thing about himself for many years as well.
But the result is pretty much the same. Too much unnatural spin due to the strings. There's a reason why they banned spitballs in baseball.
Why don't you try using poly and we'll see how far you get in Wimbledon.
Lack of knowledge right there Breakpoint. Poly strings do not add unnatural spin. They can add more spin and more control, however gut strings are still more powerful.
The advantage with poly strings is the player can string at a lower tension without lacking control. This in turn will also increase the sweetspot. The strings can also increase spin but its not as much as you'd think. The reason the strings have more spin is because it allows the player to take bigger cuts at the ball while still maintaining control. Also, Nadal uses 1.35mm string (15L) so hardly looking for spin. One more thing, not all poly's are created equal. There's the Luxilon ALU/RPM Blast type poly which most are familiar with but string your racket with basic poly like Kirschbaum Super Smash 1.30 or Babolat Duralast 135 (which Nadal used to use) and then tell me how 'spinny' those strings are. When Rafa switched to RPM (marketed as a spin string, yea thats a laugh) he had maybe a slight increase, but not much).
Personally, I think you're just looking for attention with threads like this.
That was the old polyester strings. Newer co-polys can be used properly by rec players. The spin I get from them just cannot be duplicated by a similar priced multi. Plus I hate fixing my strings after every point.
In terms of skill, I don't think it takes away from the game. Most people are baseliners now because it's very easy especially with today's racquet and string technology. However, the better players I see in the club are the ones who really put in time to develop variety in their games and "brush off" these baseline bashers.
It just so happens that there hasn't been an all court player good or quick enough to attack nadal on clay.
"Unnatural spin" ha!
"Captain, these strings defy the laws of physics!"
This is one of e funniest thread I have read in a looonnnngggg time lol!
Bp is one of the last breeds of old farts that always HAS... NEEDS to have e last word however lost e cause was lol
Bp admit it you r a closet Armish lol!
One of the case of seeing a blade of grass n missing e forest lol!
Polys n graphite bad for e environment lol... Yup I'm sure there's no plastic or graphite anywhere else at his place. I'm sure BP was screaming bloody murder when Borg went from wood to aluminium n later graphite lol
Now listen ye all let's all only wear cotton n straw sandals whenever we bat our rat bladder balls lol!
I'm sure Bp will have... NEED to reply!
Right, came across this clip with Becker hitting a banana shot using a 92 square inch very heavy racquet and gut strings, and thought that if this thread was bumped I'd share it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZWo2Gp-cE&feature=player_detailpage#t=77s
Check out the curve on that!
TV angle makes that look better thanit was, he makes contact inside the area of the lines, and the ball is just inside the line where it lands, the hook you are seeing is the camera angle and the rise and fall of the ball. No different than in basketball.
all ken rosewall backhands
love this post!
I gotta agree with Breakpoint on this one. Banning poly strings would encourage more 90's style tennis while still keeping the modern day power game with current racquet tech for baseliners. We aren't going back to wood any day, so this is a good compromise.
It's Nadal's technique, plus the technology. Everybody has access to the technology, but nobody has equaled Nadal's technique. So, he beats most pros consistently. Nadal would, imo, be one of the greatest of all time no matter what the racket/string technology. Just my two cents.
But then, I grew up in the era of Gonzalez, Rosewall, Laver, Newcombe, Connors, Borg, Vilas, etc.
The thing is, imo, extreme topspin is difficult for even the very best players to consistently handle. The success of players like Borg, Vilas, Nadal, et al. seems to attest to this. Extreme topspin isn't unique to the Nadal era. I was using it, and winning because of it, back in the early/mid 70's against good amateur players.
Do the poly strings really make that much difference? Don't all players have access to this technology? Personally, I like the current style of tennis at least as much as 90's style tennis, maybe moreso.
Umm, everyone DOES play with wooden bats, actually..
anyway, this is a silly thread and I think BP just does this to wind people up, much like his celebrated and famously idiotic Sam Stosur thread of a while back...
Tennis is a relatively young sport that has seen a process of evolution over time. You think nobody ever hit with massive topspin before poly strings? Watch Tom Okker hit a FH just for starters..
Even Nadal would be the first to admit that he wouldn't be able to generate the same amount of massive topspin without his poly strings. Yes, of course, he will still be able to hit topspin with other stings, but he won't be able to hit the massive poly induced topspin that dips into the court at the last second and also bounces over his opponent's shoulders nor will he be able to bend shots from outside the doubles alley into the court.
The fact that everyone has access to the technology is precisely the reason it needs to be banned. If no one had access to it then there would be no need to ban it.
So if Tom Okker could do it without poly strings, why can't Nadal? Nadal's not as good of an athlete? So taking poly strings away from Nadal should have absolutely no effect on his game, right? So then what's the big deal if they banned poly strings?
Yes, they do. If they didn't, the great majority of pros wouldn't be using poly strings.
BP's logic is escaping me...
There's no reason to ban poly strings. Just because Nadal can hit with topspin doesn't mean that the entire game needs to be changed to handicap him. Regardless of strings or racket technology, Rafa would be able to find a way to win with his superior fitness and mental strength. Bear in mind, this is coming from someone who doesn't root for any of the "big three".
I'm sure you'll refute this, as arguing over the internet seems to be your favorite past time, but before you do, remember that Nadal lost to Rosol, who also happened to be using poly strings. In that match, they didn't seem to give him much of an advantage did they?
You're ridiculous. Polyester is nothing new. And all the players have the same advantages and disadvantages so its a matter of skill. The fact that Nadal puts more spin on the ball shows he has more skill than the rest in generating that extra spin because they can all use the same.
And please, like if the "old tennis" was that great. The one right now is a million times better than the "follow through with the racket pointing at the net" days where people with not-so-great fitness could get away with it.
I find the long rallies between Djokovic and Nadal in the USO for example to be a million times better than 2-3 point rallies of old.
And this is why you can't have an overall GOAT, or a GOAT of a particular surface. Purely because the game is always changing, and players are exposed to very contrasting conditions to those seen in the past.
They slowed down the game because of players like Roddick and Roanic hitting too many aces.....
A lot of people have exactly the opposite opinion as you. A lot of people prefer attacking tennis where a winner is hit within the first 3 or 4 shots.
And if poly strings give all the players the same advantages and disadvantages, why not give every pro golfer a club that allows them to hit a hole-in-one every time? Every golfer would have the same advantage, right? Wouldn't that ruin the game of golf?
Poly strings have taken skill and strategy out of the game and replaced it with grinding.
if you can't see the amount of point construction that is at the heart of successful modern play, you clearly don't know tennis. it is no coincidence that American players are doing so poorly now. they are brought up with no notion of point construction or strategy. just learn to hammer hard serves and forehands.
i think poly strings and slower courts have combined to lend GREATER strategy NOT LESS strategy to the tennis game. power has become less important, while movement and strategy have become more important. that is the true modern game.
Going from an all court game to a purely baseline game has definitely led itself to greater strategy.
"Point construction" in modern tennis? Are you serious??
Spinning the ball over the net over and over ad nausem hoping your opponent will hit the next ball out or into the net is "point construction"? LMAO!!!!
well, if that's all you see, i guess we can agree to disagree. i on the other hand, see the top players like djokovic and nadal especially, outmaneuvering and moving their opponents all over the court. it is no surprise that the top players are also the very best movers in the game.
my contention is that modern technology has allowed players to strike their shots with greater consistency using enhanced spin, hence more shots land in making the contest less about power but about placement and movement.
That's right.... you better keep unintentionally praising #TeamRafa and the #GOAThand :lol:
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