Agassi more impressed by Fed's AO win than la decima

BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Andre Agassi believes Federer’s Australian Open victory more incomprehensible than Nadal’s push for 10th French title
Leo Schlink in Paris, Herald Sun
June 4, 2017

Andre Agassi rates Roger Federer’s miracle Australian Open victory as even more incomprehensible than Rafael Nadal’s push this week for a record 10th French Open crown.

At Roland Garros to coach Novak Djokovic, the American says while statistics - for once - accurately convey the staggering magnitude of Nadal’s feat, Federer’s Melbourne Park success is harder to quantify.

“This is one of those scenarios where the statistics alone put Nadal’s French Open achievements into perspective,” the former world No 1 and eight-time major winner said.

“To win the French Open once is a herculean performance - he’s trying to win it for a 10th time.

“It’s just remarkable.

“I think the harder thing to put into perspective is what Federer accomplished in Australia.

“I mean six months away from the game, the competition and at his age (35) and he goes out there and wins the way he did with multiple five-setters.

“That’s a little bit harder to tangibleise (sic) but winning 10 times - winning nine times, forget about 10 times - all you have to do is write that down on a piece of paper.

“It puts into perspective.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/t...e/news-story/9ba1af715932fa1a4b34128b899e5786

 
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic" -

That's the kind of reasoning it takes to appreciate where Nadal's gone to on clay and the French

As for Federer and the Australian... "he's Roger Federer" - that'll be the quote they'll use in the future to contextualize stuff like what he did earlier this year
 
Waspsting said:
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic" -

That's the kind of reasoning it takes to appreciate where Nadal's gone to on clay and the French

As for Federer and the Australian... "he's Roger Federer" - that'll be the quote they'll use in the future to contextualize stuff like what he did earlier this year
Click to expand...

"Kill one and you're a murder...Kill a million and you're a conqueror" - Not quite sure which movie I heard that in, but your post reminded me of it.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Winning 9 FO's is more impressive than winning a major at 35, since a few others have done that. Nobody will ever win 9 FO's again, almost certainly.
Click to expand...

Of course, but I can see where Agassi is coming from. It's almost like getting desensitized, it happens so often, and which such regularity, that it almost seems like a given.

You can look at Federer in the same way. From 2004 to 2007 he won seven of the eight available HC slams that were contested, and this is at two different venues. That is just as absurd, but you will see people shrug it off because of reasons I said above.

You can lose sight of just how difficult it is do what these incredible athletes do and take it for granted. The reason why Agassi and so many are blown away by AO 2018 was that no one not only saw it coming, but also in the manner that it came. You couldn't have written a better feel good tennis movie if you tried.
 
Hitman said:
Of course, but I can see where Agassi is coming from. It's almost like getting desensitized, it happens so often, and which such regularity, that it almost seems like a given.

You can look at Federer in the same way. From 2004 to 2007 he won seven of the eight available HC slams that were contested, and this is at two different venues. That is just as absurd, but you will see people shrug it off because of reasons I said above.

You can lose sight of just how difficult it is do what these incredible athletes do and take it for granted. The reason why Agassi and so many are blown away by AO 2018 was that no one not only saw it coming, but also in the manner that it came. You couldn't have written a better feel good tennis movie if you tried.
Click to expand...

2017, but yeah it was an amazing story for sure. I was most impressed with the fact that he played a couple tough 5 set matches before the final (Nishikori and Stan Wawrinka) and yet at 35 he was able to play a really good final, particularly the last few games of that 5th set. He really took the racquet out of Nadal's hands, I mean he was just thumping the ball on the backhand side bigger/harder than I have ever really seen.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Andre Agassi believes Federer’s Australian Open victory more incomprehensible than Nadal’s push for 10th French title
Leo Schlink in Paris, Herald Sun
June 4, 2017

Andre Agassi rates Roger Federer’s miracle Australian Open victory as even more incomprehensible than Rafael Nadal’s push this week for a record 10th French Open crown.

At Roland Garros to coach Novak Djokovic, the American says while statistics - for once - accurately convey the staggering magnitude of Nadal’s feat, Federer’s Melbourne Park success is harder to quantify.

“This is one of those scenarios where the statistics alone put Nadal’s French Open achievements into perspective,” the former world No 1 and eight-time major winner said.

“To win the French Open once is a herculean performance - he’s trying to win it for a 10th time.

“It’s just remarkable.

“I think the harder thing to put into perspective is what Federer accomplished in Australia.

“I mean six months away from the game, the competition and at his age (35) and he goes out there and wins the way he did with multiple five-setters.

“That’s a little bit harder to tangibleise (sic) but winning 10 times - winning nine times, forget about 10 times - all you have to do is write that down on a piece of paper.

“It puts into perspective.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/t...e/news-story/9ba1af715932fa1a4b34128b899e5786
Click to expand...

Am I missing something or did you just make up another BS clickbait title.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
2017, but yeah it was an amazing story for sure. I was most impressed with the fact that he played a couple tough 5 set matches before the final (Nishikori and Stan Wawrinka) and yet at 35 he was able to play a really good final, particularly the last few games of that 5th set. He really took the racquet out of Nadal's hands, I mean he was just thumping the ball on the backhand side bigger/harder than I have ever really seen.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I wrote 2018 thinking of the 18 slam wins of Federer. :)

it was an impressive feat, no doubt about it. As soon as I saw his match against Berdych, I knew beating Federer at that tournament was no going to be easy, I didn't expect him to win, it was still long way to go, but with no Djokovic in the draw, the chances certainly went up for everyone including him. I do think not playing Murray helped him conserve some mental energy, because had Murray been still carrying his form from the end of last year into a quarter final showdown, Federer would have had a fight on his hands for sure. The quarter final came at the right time, allowing him to then peak properly for the business end of the tournament, and then two incredible five set matches and two former AO champions. The fifth set of AO 2017 final was simply magical to watch as a fan, I stood up and applauded for several minutes when he kneeled on that court...Iconic moment.
 
Hitman said:
Yeah, I wrote 2018 thinking of the 18 slam wins of Federer. :)

it was an impressive feat, no doubt about it. As soon as I saw his match against Berdych, I knew beating Federer at that tournament was no going to be easy, I didn't expect him to win, it was still long way to go, but with no Djokovic in the draw, the chances certainly went up for everyone including him. I do think not playing Murray helped him conserve some mental energy, because had Murray been still carrying his form from the end of last year into a quarter final showdown, Federer would have had a fight on his hands for sure. The quarter final came at the right time, allowing him to then peak properly for the business end of the tournament, and then two incredible five set matches and two former AO champions. The fifth set of AO 2017 final was simply magical to watch as a fan, I stood up and applauded for several minutes when he kneeled on that court...Iconic moment.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I did too, even though I was in my little house all by myself, lol!
 
Hitman said:
I do think not playing Murray helped him conserve some mental energy, because had Murray been still carrying his form from the end of last year into a quarter final showdown, Federer would have had a fight on his hands for sure.
Click to expand...

Having a quick, easy match against Mischa Zverev helped him too. Short points, no pressure since it was a given he'd beat him.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Having a quick, easy match against Mischa Zverev helped him too. Short points, no pressure since it was a given he'd beat him.
Click to expand...

Pretty much. I think at that point, he was eyeing the title for real.
 
Rafa is Genghis Khan, pillaging the tennis world. Roger represents the Germanic tribes of that time, holding back the Mongol hordes from complete Eurasian domination.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Nothing clickbait about it, dude. I could have chosen these headlines as well:

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/tennis/...rer-australian-open-rafael-nadal-french-open/

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/tennis-new...s-rafael-nadals-la-decima-attempt-says-729370
Click to expand...

....lol your reply is just posting more clickbait titles? I'm confused. Nowhere does he say it's more impressive. All he says is that it's easier to digest 10 titles over understanding how hard it is to win at 35.
 
fed's AO this year by itself is clearly more amazing than Nadal's RG this year ( if he wins it )

But overall, nadal's 10 RGs wins would be more amazing.
 
This man played tennis in jeans, wore a wig on court, and dated Barbra Streisand. Never trust anything that impresses him.
 
It's not so much age as it is gaps between Slams.

The only bigger time span besides Roger's is Becker by a few months.

I fully expect the future to hold Slam champions into their 40s all things considered and so someone will come along and win 10 titles at a Slam. However to have a player win 5 years apart at advanced age would be less likely. For Federer it was between age 30 and 35. Let's see if Nadal will even be playing at 36.
 
People (included myself) have had Nadal as the favorite for the French since the AO. No one thought Federer could win the AO (besides himself) until that last forehand landed on the line. 2017 AO was probably the most magical moment I've witnessed in sports.

In terms of this FO, I don't think it is as impressive than Federer's 2012 Wimbledon win. 2012 Wimbledon as of now is a little more impressive because he schooled two prime rivals both playing well who were 6 years younger, and those two guys combined for every other Wimbledon title from 2011-2016. Federer also wasn't a strong favorite for the tournament like Nadal is for this one. Also, a lot of the chatter around that time was that Federer benefited in a weak era and he couldn't stand up to the Nadal/Djokovic/Murray strong era because he hadn't won a slam in the last 9, losing to Nadal or Djokovic 6 times. Shut up those fools quickly. No such narrative for Nadal this time around, people expect him to win. Granted if Nadal runs through an in form Djokovic or Thiem in the semis and then Stanimal in the finals it will be a similarly impressive run to Federer's 2012 Wimbledon, but know some of those guys and their current form, it's more likely they mug it up.
 
metsman said:
People (included myself) have had Nadal as the favorite for the French since the AO. No one thought Federer could win the AO (besides himself) until that last forehand landed on the line. 2017 AO was probably the most magical moment I've witnessed in sports.

In terms of this FO, I don't think it is as impressive than Federer's 2012 Wimbledon win. 2012 Wimbledon as of now is a little more impressive because he schooled two prime rivals both playing well who were 6 years younger, and those two guys combined for every other Wimbledon title from 2011-2016. Federer also wasn't a strong favorite for the tournament like Nadal is for this one. Also, a lot of the chatter around that time was that Federer benefited in a weak era and he couldn't stand up to the Nadal/Djokovic/Murray strong era because he hadn't won a slam in the last 9, losing to Nadal or Djokovic 6 times. Shut up those fools quickly. No such narrative for Nadal this time around, people expect him to win. Granted if Nadal runs through an in form Djokovic or Thiem in the semis and then Stanimal in the finals it will be a similarly impressive run to Federer's 2012 Wimbledon, but know some of those guys and their current form, it's more likely they mug it up.
Click to expand...
For all that silly talk contained in the bolded, Nadal's slam drought has been longer than Fed's was at that point in time.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
2017, but yeah it was an amazing story for sure. I was most impressed with the fact that he played a couple tough 5 set matches before the final (Nishikori and Stan Wawrinka) and yet at 35 he was able to play a really good final, particularly the last few games of that 5th set. He really took the racquet out of Nadal's hands, I mean he was just thumping the ball on the backhand side bigger/harder than I have ever really seen.
Click to expand...
Microdosing FTW, no?

;)
 
Hitman said:
The reason why Agassi and so many are blown away by AO 2018 was that no one not only saw it coming, but also in the manner that it came. You couldn't have written a better feel good tennis movie if you tried.
Click to expand...
That's it. The whole thing sounded like Harry Potter at the age of 35 winning Quidditch. :)

But to put what Nadal is doing right now into context, how unbelievable is it that people simply EXPECT him to win RG this year, for the 10th time!

What people forget: Nadal's story is not over. He could be injured tomorrow and retire, or he could be around winning majors here and there for a few more years. We just don't know.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
2017, but yeah it was an amazing story for sure. I was most impressed with the fact that he played a couple tough 5 set matches before the final (Nishikori and Stan Wawrinka) and yet at 35 he was able to play a really good final, particularly the last few games of that 5th set. He really took the racquet out of Nadal's hands, I mean he was just thumping the ball on the backhand side bigger/harder than I have ever really seen.
Click to expand...

Swiss pharmaceutical companies are indeed impressive.
 
IMO, it will be impressive for Nadal to win 2017's French Open. Federer winning his 18th Grand Slam after a 6-month off is very impressive, due to the reasons that have been repeated to death here. But Nadal winning French Open 10 times is out of this world and I think something that we won't see for a long time.
 
People need to read properly and try to understand what the guy is actually saying before makibg rediculous statements like this.
 
GSP1.jpg
 
Agassi isn't fooling anyone. He's always been far up Nadal's a**. If Andre hadn't become part of Team Djokovic, he would be praising la decima as the greatest feat in tennis history.
 
duaneeo said:
Agassi isn't fooling anyone. He's always been far up Nadal's a**. If Andre hadn't become part of Team Djokovic, he would be praising la decima as the greatest feat in tennis history.
Click to expand...

I don't think AA is far up anybody's in particular. I think he is just juggling and playing them off against each other to make sure he gets media exposure.

What has AA done with Djok so far other than one photo op with Djok and another photo op with BB? Then he flies off with a couple of parthian shots.
 
BGod said:
It's not so much age as it is gaps between Slams.

The only bigger time span besides Roger's is Becker by a few months.

I fully expect the future to hold Slam champions into their 40s all things considered and so someone will come along and win 10 titles at a Slam. However to have a player win 5 years apart at advanced age would be less likely. For Federer it was between age 30 and 35. Let's see if Nadal will even be playing at 36.
Click to expand...

Feds win isn't that unbelievable to me as it's not like he was a terrible player the last 5 years. 2015 he made two finals. 2016 he made two semi finals. He has been in the mix the last 5 years. He took time off to get healthy and has an amazing serve and murray and djoker were knocked out. Nadal on the other hand hadn't made a slam 1/4 final since FO15.

Faster AO courts, 2 days rest for Fed before final, brutal semi for rafa and 1 day rest? Doesn't shock me with how it all fell into place that he was able to win another slam all things considered. IF rafa wins the FO I think it's just as impressive as Feds AO.

Yes, age wise fed is 5 years older but wear and tear on bodies from their styles of games and all of Rogers free points on serve? I'd say they are close to the same. Fed has transitioned his game beautifully using his always impressive serve and going bigger on the backhand and trying to shorten points.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

clayqueen
Rafael Nadal now favourite for Wimbledon with Roger Federer, says Mats Wilander
2
Replies
55
Views
3K
Benben245
Benben245
PollyBallGirl
Is andre agassi more versatile than sampras/federer/rafael nadalogram?
Replies
5
Views
2K
jokinla
J
PCXL-Fan
  • Poll Poll
Is Agassi forever ahead of Rafa in being a more diverse champion?
Replies
4
Views
913
slowfox
slowfox
GabeT
Sorry, Roger: Rafael Nadal is not just the king of clay
3 4 5
Replies
202
Views
13K
clayqueen
clayqueen
zvelf
Why Andy Murray is underrated
3 4 5
Replies
209
Views
10K
D.Nalby12
D
Back
Top