Agassi Novak disagreements - what about ?

Federerkblade

Hall of Fame
What were the disagreements about ?

His weight ?

His serve motion ?

His change of string pattern ?

His schedule ?

What were these two arguing and debating about ?

No silly inhumane answers pls . Let's keep it genuine.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
They are parting company and Agassi said that they agreed to disagree too often.

Why hire a coach if you're not going to listen?
 

justasport

Professional
nobody has a clue what they are talking about mate. to be honest I put myself in that equation as well because I've been talking about Federer playing the clay and winning roland garros now ever since he won the aussie open, and look how that turned out. the guy isn't even going to play one tournament on clay even after promising the French fans in his statement last year that he was aching to get back and play roland garros in 2018. these guys are all prima donnas and are going to do exactly what they want to do without one second thought. there is no bigger Federer fan than me, but I have never been more frustrated with him in my life after pulling the plug on the entire clay court season. cowardly if you ask me. does it affect my loyalty to him as a fan? absolutely not, but I think he is a puss for not playing rome and roland garros!
 

Shank Volley

Hall of Fame
I think it's difficult for the true top players (Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Fed) to take technique advice from coaches who haven't had one iota of their success. With Wawrinka and Magnus Norman, the Swiss wasn't an established grand slam threat, and there was significantly more upside with him than the others. Nadal and Federer (and to a lesser extent Djokovic) are the ones who have had very long term coaching arrangements. Federer with a very close friend, Nadal with his direct family, Djokovic with the same coach from childhood.

You saw it with Murray and Lendl. Lendl is a more decorated figure in tennis and so he commands more respect with Andy. Given all that's coming out about the constant disagreements between Djokovic and Agassi, it seems clear to me that Djokovic just didn't consider Agassi's thoughts to be as valuable as his own, which is disappointing but understandable.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
Why would any of this ever be verified public information unless they got into it over social media?

It would be a competitive advantage to his opponents as well.

Maybe a tell all book when Nole is retired. Which maybe very soon or in another 5 years.
 
I think it's difficult for the true top players (Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Fed) to take technique advice from coaches who haven't had one iota of their success. With Wawrinka and Magnus Norman, the Swiss wasn't an established grand slam threat, and there was significantly more upside with him than the others. Nadal and Federer (and to a lesser extent Djokovic) are the ones who have had very long term coaching arrangements. Federer with a very close friend, Nadal with his direct family, Djokovic with the same coach from childhood.

You saw it with Murray and Lendl. Lendl is a more decorated figure in tennis and so he commands more respect with Andy. Given all that's coming out about the constant disagreements between Djokovic and Agassi, it seems clear to me that Djokovic just didn't consider Agassi's thoughts to be as valuable as his own, which is disappointing but understandable.
Agassi is the only mens player with a career super slam

Djoker would know this if he ate some steak and wasnt half out of it
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Apparently, Aggassi asked Djo to play tennis again and Djo refused citing he just want to go out and enjoy being on court, not really playing.

Verified by watching any recent Djo match.


Probably posting from the court between sets.
 

mightyrick

Legend
I think it's difficult for the true top players (Djokovic, Murray, Nadal, Fed) to take technique advice from coaches who haven't had one iota of their success. With Wawrinka and Magnus Norman, the Swiss wasn't an established grand slam threat, and there was significantly more upside with him than the others. Nadal and Federer (and to a lesser extent Djokovic) are the ones who have had very long term coaching arrangements. Federer with a very close friend, Nadal with his direct family, Djokovic with the same coach from childhood.

You saw it with Murray and Lendl. Lendl is a more decorated figure in tennis and so he commands more respect with Andy. Given all that's coming out about the constant disagreements between Djokovic and Agassi, it seems clear to me that Djokovic just didn't consider Agassi's thoughts to be as valuable as his own, which is disappointing but understandable.
I couldn't disagree more. Nadal has always listened to and respected Carlos Moya's opinion and advice. Federer learned a great deal from Tony Roche and Stefan Edberg. Murray learned a lot from Lendl.

Djokovic had the opportunity to learn directly from one of the GOATs. A guy who actually came back from injury and addiction and dominated in his 30s. A guy who forced himself to play $5,000 challengers picking up his own balls... just to gain confidence. Djokovic spat it right back in Agassi's face. Huge mistake, IMHO. Agassi was the perfect coach for him.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I couldn't disagree more. Nadal has always listened to and respected Carlos Moya's opinion and advice. Federer learned a great deal from Tony Roche and Stefan Edberg. Murray learned a lot from Lendl.

Djokovic had the opportunity to learn directly from one of the GOATs. A guy who actually came back from injury and addiction and dominated in his 30s. A guy who forced himself to play $5,000 challengers picking up his own balls... just to gain confidence. Djokovic spat it right back in Agassi's face. Huge mistake, IMHO. Agassi was the perfect coach for him.
Indeed, I have no idea what that guy is on about. Heck, Fed's current coach is a one time contemporary of his whom Fed used to beat easily. And when Becker joined Nolefam, Nole already had won as many slams as Becker. I am not too sure it was about Nole egoistically disrespecting Agassi. As somebody else put it, maybe Agassi's is just giving Nole a polite out and letting him paper over the real problems which Nole isn't fessing up about.
 

stiggytennis

Semi-Pro
A player/coach relationship is doomed from the start, if the player doesn't listen, or value their coaches, err...coaching...
It's starting to look like a pattern now for Nole, he seems to be blaming his corner, or coaches now that he's on a bad streak of form, I mean, how can Agassi not have something to offer, or worth trying more often than not?
Bring back Becker I say... (and quit blaming everyone around you)
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
A player/coach relationship is doomed from the start, if the player doesn't listen, or value their coaches, err...coaching...
It's starting to look like a pattern now for Nole, he seems to be blaming his corner, or coaches now that he's on a bad streak of form, I mean, how can Agassi not have something to offer, or worth trying more often than not?
Bring back Becker I say... (and quit blaming everyone around you)

Djoker didnt blame anyone. Agassi announced the split
 

stiggytennis

Semi-Pro
I'd like to believe that's the case, but it's no coincidence that poor results, are likely to have caused the split more so.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Did Djokovic know, for whatever reason, that he could never reach the heights he reached between 2011 and 2016 again that's why he announced that it was no longer his priority to win in order to prepare everyone for his drop in form? The elbow injury might just be a red herring in this saga.
 
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Deleted member 756486

Guest
Did Djokovic know, for whatever reason, that he could never reach the heights he reached between 2011 and 2016 again that's why he announced that it was no longer his priority to win in order to prepare everyone for his drop in form? The elbow injury might just be a red herring in this saga.
Just like the leg/knee injury might be for RAFA?

/s
But that is a ridiculous suggestion.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Just like the leg/knee injury might be for RAFA?

/s
But that is a ridiculous suggestion.
Rafa has never said he's no longer interested in winning and he is currently #1. Their disagreement could be about whether it's worth working with someone who has, voluntarily, declared that winning is no longer his priority.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa has motivation to catch Fed’s slam count and turn the GOAT debate on it's head.

Djokovic has personal problems and has clearly lost his love for tennis.
So Agassi can't see the point in working with someone who has no motivation. Agassi himself has said he didn't like tennis but he still wanted to win otherwise he wouldn't come back to the tour and work his way up from about #100 in the world.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
Djoker is clearly and obviously burnt out


I just saw an old post from another forum discussing Wilander 's burnout and sudden collapse . Someone recalled an interview where Mats flat out said after he achieved so much, he lost the drive and will to train and practice as hard and he lost focus on the court . Mats in another interview there are but so many balls you can hit under pressure, especially for grinder type players and that one day you just burn out mentally




Sounds about right to sum up what has happened to Djoker since winning the FO.


Becker said his intensity for training and practicing ebbed , and we see Djoker on the court with no stamina who looks emaciated


he's cooked.
 
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fps

Legend
Pure speculation follows

In terms of tennis philosophy, it always struck me that the Agassi-Djokovic partnership seemed a mismatch. While Becker came in and his skillset to help Novak involved the serve, and playing clutch on the big points, where Boris often would have been aiming to shorten the points and therefore had much to teach, Agassi is a back of the court first strike merchant. I felt the opportunities for disagreements were large - Novak's superior flexibility and movement would mean he would be prepared to take steps back in the court in favour of overall pointsconstruction, where Agassi would get right on the baseline and trust his timing to go toe to toe. Additionally, Novak's willingness to grind players down and take their legs away contrasts with Andre's power hitting and eagerness to impose himself through sheer ball-striking, even if this meant shorter points. Novak constructs and plays very differently from Agassi, whose talents for timing and hard-hitting aren't really things that strike me as very coachable when we're talking about giving a seasoned, top pro the 1-2% that keeps them ahead as the very best.

Add to this the key facts that Novak has in all honesty not recovered from this injury, and has lost motivation in part as a result of this, and it seems the timing of this is the best for all concerned. Agassi has always struck me as someone who was only going to come back to the game for specific reasons, and it doesn't sound like he was being respected as a coach, for whatever reason.
 
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vex

Legend
Knowing Agassi's approach if I had to speculate I'd say the disagreements were:

1) Diet / Weight. Agassi was as obsessive as Djoker with his diet. He used to count the cornflakes he put in his cereal. I think its safe to say Agassi envisioned Djoker having a little more muscle.

2) Point construction. Coaches have tried to get Djoker to end points earlier by approaching the net. Djoker has traditionally resisted. Doubt thats changed.
 

sportsfan1

Hall of Fame
Apart from everything else about novaks current situation and the technical side of things, I wonder if there were any cultural differences that made things hard. Federer in this respect has always had coaches who were somewhat similar to his understated nature. Nadal has always had Toni and other Spanish coaches.

All of that being said, novak's pattern keeps repeating with coaches, so there are undisclosed issues in play as well.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Pure speculation follows

In terms of tennis philosophy, it always struck me that the Agassi-Djokovic partnership seemed a mismatch. While Becker came in and his skillset to help Novak involved the serve, and playing clutch on the big points, where Boris often would have been aiming to shorten the points and therefore had much to teach, Agassi is a back of the court first strike merchant. I felt the opportunities for disagreements were large - Novak's superior flexibility and movement would mean he would be prepared to take steps back in the court in favour of overall pointsconstruction, where Agassi would get right on the baseline and trust his timing to go toe to toe. Additionally, Novak's willingness to grind players down and take their legs away contrasts with Andre's power hitting and eagerness to impose himself through sheer ball-striking, even if this meant shorter points. Novak constructs and plays very differently from Agassi, whose talents for timing and hard-hitting aren't really things that strike me as very coachable when we're talking about giving a seasoned, top pro the 1-2% that keeps them ahead as the very best.

Add to this the key facts that Novak has in all honesty not recovered from this injury, and has lost motivation in part as a result of this, and it seems the timing of this is the best for all concerned. Agassi has always struck me as someone who was only going to come back to the game for specific reasons, and it doesn't sound like he was being respected as a coach, for whatever reason.
I think that Djokovic needed someone like Agassi in terms of pro tennis for the aging player where shortening the points would help. If you look at the big four, you see that Federer has fared the best because he doesn't play the brutal, physical game that the other three do. So I see where going to Agassi would be a good move. But I didn't really see the changes from Djokovic in changing styles. Maybe he can't change and that would be a shame.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
Djoker is clearly and obviously burnt out
Sounds about right to sum up what has happened to Djoker since winning the FO.
Becker said his intensity for training and practicing ebbed , and we a Djoker oj the court with no stamina who looks emaciated

he's cooked.
I wonder. Perhaps doping controls finally decided that it wasn't worth the risk in hiding him and quietly advised him to get off the juice or they would enforce the rules. Hard to say, hard to say.....
 

justasport

Professional
Did everyone see Novak’s latest post on his Twitter account? If that picture doesn’t tell you an announcement is coming then nothing will. Jelena and that Guru have totally gotten into his head and convinced him that he’s done enough and he needs to settle down and be a family man. That’s why Becker left and now Agassi has left. Novak does not want to be a serious ATP tennis player anymore.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
there is no bigger Federer fan than me
If true, you would have known effortlessly that he was not playing clay. That was exceedingly obvious to Fed fans who know anything about his priorities, his statements on the subject and the statements of his team.
 

Federerkblade

Hall of Fame
I really believe pep and his wife who is a good person btw but has changed his thinking

His life is now about is meant to be ... And it's karma and about being all about the world and peps thinking

The issue is it makes him deeply unhappy when he loses as he's such a competitor

So if he keeps losing I see him retiring

However the issues are more the fact he can't face losing but also has to please his wife because when he was winning he was doing what he wanted and his wife let him get away with it

Difference is now he can't get away with anything no more !!
 
Agassi doesnt care about coaching - he rather cruises around and buys prime tickets...enjoying life i guess
@40.00


what a boring match from Mayweather, Ill never be his fan. Manny FTW!
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
Did everyone see Novak’s latest post on his Twitter account? If that picture doesn’t tell you an announcement is coming then nothing will. Jelena and that Guru have totally gotten into his head and convinced him that he’s done enough and he needs to settle down and be a family man. That’s why Becker left and now Agassi has left. Novak does not want to be a serious ATP tennis player anymore.
If that is the case, then fair enough. There is more to life.
I don’t think so though. I don’t get any sense that he has accepted the end of his career at this point, whether it’s over or not. He isn’t ready to walk away.
Time will tell if he’s right or not.
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
Did Djokovic know, for whatever reason, that he could never reach the heights he reached between 2011 and 2016 again that's why he announced that it was no longer his priority to win in order to prepare everyone for his drop in form? The elbow injury might just be a red herring in this saga.
Someone with an elbow issue isn't going to be smashing racquets into the ground like this:

 
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