Age only matters when he plays Alcaraz

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Yea and it must be so frustrating supporting Djokovic beat every single record and STILL not get half the recognition that Federer and Nadal have. People would be more interested in a 50-year old Fed exho than Djokovic playing another tier 4 player in a Slam final. The only difference is that FINALLY he now has a proper roadblack (a younger ATG) that should've happened years ago instead of in 2023/2024 after he racked up double digit Slams in a career inflation era.

There is nothing that Djokovic can or will do that will make people like him. And tennis isn't some sort of kingdom, it really is a popularity contest at the end of the day, because when it comes down to it it's 2 dudes hitting a yellow ball with tennis racquets, like how does it matter in the big picture. Djokovic could win another 20 Slams and people will still prefer Federer and Nadal, damn that must hurt a lot.
Djokovic is not getting half the recognition of Federer and Nadal? Is that why 90% of the former players, coaches and tennis analysts now call him the GOAT? Is that why he's on the cover of US sports mags calling him the GOAT and the race is over? Career inflation era is an invention of ttw minds. It has no place in the real world outside of your online bubble. Lol.

Oh people don't like him, when it's really Fedal fans. Oh gosh, what is he going to do about this conundrum? I guess accept his superior career and records, and has to be content with that. It's a popularity contest? Lmao. I thought you had made peace with this but I see you haven't. Now you're clinging onto Nadal, a player you notoriously hated, to try to bring Djokovic down. Pathetic.
 
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mahatma

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is not getting half the recognition of Federer and Nadal? Is tIPhat why 90% of the former players, coaches and tennis analysts now call him the GOAT? Is that why he's on the cover of US sports mags calling him the GOAT and the race is over? Career inflation era is an invention of ttw minds. It has no place in the real world outside of your online bubble. Lol.

Oh people don't like him, when it's really Fedal fans. Oh gosh, what's is he going to do about this conundrum? I guess accept his superior career and records, and has to be content with that. It's popularity contest? Lmao. I thought you had made peace with this but I see you haven't. Now you're clinging onto Nadal, a player you notoriously hated, to try to bring Djokovic down. Pathetic.

Give them the choice to have the records vs popularity for their player. And what would they choose?

Years of getting the assurance that they will be at pole position when all is said and done and non-fulfilment of that 1 commitment by their player. Is there any other way to show frustration apart from having agendas to bring down Djokovic.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Give them the choice to have the records vs popularity for their player. And what would they choose?

Years of getting the assurance that they will be at pole position when all is said and done and non-fulfilment of that 1 commitment by their player. Is there any other way to show frustration apart from having agendas to bring down Djokovic.
I guess it's popularity. Who knew? :D

Records are made to be broken or so I thought. Why is their favorite player not being at pole position bringing forth all this resentment? Do they love tennis or just love one player? Something to think about.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
In all seriousness, Federer had Djokovic, Nadal and Murray 5 years behind him. 5 years is a generation in tennis. The Djokovic, Nadal and Murray generation was one of the better groups ever. If you look 4-6 years behind Djokovic, Nadal and Murray, there aren't any truly all time greats. I think Djokovic's greatest skill is he stayed healthy and avoided surgery until this year.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
I guess it's popularity. Who knew? :D

Records are made to be broken or so I thought. Why is their favorite player not being at pole position bringing forth all this resentment? Do they love tennis or just love one player? Something to think about.

I think if it was popularity - they are the happiest lot lol. Infact we can start from 2004-05 onwards they already won as per the choice. What was the mask of records all about.

I would congratulate all the other "massively popular" fan bases for their player's popularity. You contribute to it a lot too. Keep the candle of popularity and recognition burning.

While some of us, who like tennis - who like to see brilliant records set by and broken by brilliant athletes move on, accept that a new guy is better now than the old guard and move on into the future. Though the last defender of the old guard, was the best one. We appreciate it, admire it and embrace it.
He was able to prove it by his gold standard performance across surfaces , across decades and eventually won all that was there in tennis to be won.
 

a10best

Legend
age doesn't matter when got straight-setted by Sinner in AO semi? Djokovic at this moment is below those two young players.
Can he win another slam like Fed did in 2018 over Cilic & not face the young big 2? Sure, but that looks so unlikely.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I think if it was popularity - they are the happiest lot lol. Infact we can start from 2004-05 onwards they already won as per the choice. What was the mask of records all about.

I would congratulate all the other "massively popular" fan bases for their player's popularity. You contribute to it a lot too. Keep the candle of popularity and recognition burning.

While some of us, who like tennis - who like to see brilliant records set by and broken by brilliant athletes move on, accept that a new guy is better now than the old guard and move on into the future. Though the last defender of the old guard, was the best one. We appreciate it, admire it and embrace it.
He was able to prove it by his gold standard performance across surfaces , across decades and eventually won all that was there in tennis to be won.
Yea it was once only about 20>14>12, 6>5>0, 310>220 or something along those lines. Now it's all about who likes you and who doesn't, and who's the most popular.

I like to watch great athletes and was watching tennis for over a decade before Djokovic came along. When he leaves, I'll support another player who I enjoy play the game. One day, maybe Djokovic's records will be broken but I definitely won't lose sleep over it or harbor resentment because someone else was more successful at the game. It's actually the love of the game that's the reason I watch tennis not just for 1 player.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Lol. Federer and Nadal fans turned it into a popularity contest the day Novak took over the records. It’s alright, you can have the fan popularity and sportsmanship awards.
And you can go celebrate anything that Djokovic wins with the other 7 fans in the world. Damn it must hurt so bad to achieve something and nobody cares LOL.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Yea it was once only about 20>14>12, 6>5>0, 310>220 or something along those lines. Now it's all about who likes you and who doesn't, and who's the most popular.

I like to watch great athletes and was watching tennis for over a decade before Djokovic came along. When he leaves, I'll support another player who I enjoy play the game. One day, maybe Djokovic's records will be broken but I definitely won't lose sleep over it or harbor resentment because someone else was more successful at the game. It's actually the love of the game that's the reason I watch tennis not just for 1 player.
xDDDDDD
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Yea it was once only about 20>14>12, 6>5>0, 310>220 or something along those lines. Now it's all about who likes you and who doesn't, and who's the most popular.

I like to watch great athletes and was watching tennis for over a decade before Djokovic came along. When he leaves, I'll support another player who I enjoy play the game. One day, maybe Djokovic's records will be broken but I definitely won't lose sleep over it or harbor resentment because someone else was more successful at the game. It's actually the love of the game that's the reason I watch tennis not just for 1 player.

And that is how one should be. There was tennis before and after your fav player. Tennis was there when I wasn't born, will be there when I am dead.

Great champions were there before, great champions will come in the future too. Getting stuck to one player and tarnishing other player's achievements is the worst way to follow a sport.

Hope this discourse of ours helps clearing where we stand as a fanbase. :)

PS: I know a lott of fans of rival fanbases have waited too long for Djokovic reign to end, so that they can attack the fanbase and get something out of it. But once he got all the records, I think there isn't much to discuss. We can move on to choose new players as our fav to follow the sport and maybe next time your player will take all the cherries. We will see.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Yea it was once only about 20>14>12
Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in major count:

1-0-0 - (6 July 2003 - 1 February 2004)
2-0-0 - (1 February 2004 - 4 July 2004)
3-0-0 - (4 July 2004 - 12 September 2004)
4-0-0 - (12 September 2004 - 5 June 2005)
4-1-0 - (5 June 2005 - 3 July 2005)
5-1-0 - (3 July 2005 - 11 September 2005)
6-1-0 - (11 September 2005 - 29 January 2006)
7-1-0 - (29 January 2006 - 11 June 2006)
7-2-0 - (11 June 2006 - 9 July 2006)
8-2-0 - (9 July 2006 - 10 September 2006)
9-2-0 - (10 September 2006 - 28 January 2007)
10-2-0 - (28 January 2007 - 10 June 2007)
10-3-0 - (10 June 2007 - 8 July 2007)
11-3-0 - (8 July 2007 - 9 September 2007)
12-3-0 - (9 September 2007 - 27 January 2008)
12-3-1 - (27 January 2008 - 8 June 2008)
12-4-1 - (8 June 2008 - 6 July 2008)
12-5-1 - (6 July 2008 - 8 September 2008)
13-5-1 - (8 September 2008 - 1 February 2009)
13-6-1 - (1 February 2009 - 7 June 2009)
14-6-1 - (7 June 2009 - 5 July 2009)
15-6-1 - (5 July 2009 - 31 January 2010)
16-6-1 - (31 January 2010 - 6 June 2010)
16-7-1 - (6 June 2010 - 4 July 2010)
16-8-1 - (4 July 2010 - 13 September 2010)
16-9-1 - (13 September 2010 - 30 January 2011)
16-9-2 - (30 January 2011 - 5 June 2011)
16-10-2 - (5 June 2011 - 3 July 2011)
16-10-3 - (3 July 2011 - 12 September 2011)
16-10-4 - (12 September 2011 - 29 January 2012)
16-10-5 - (29 January 2012 - 11 June 2012)
16-11-5 - (11 June 2012 - 8 July 2012)
17-11-5 - (8 July 2012 - 27 January 2013)
17-11-6 - (27 January 2013 - 9 June 2013)
17-12-6 - (9 June 2013 - 9 September 2013)
17-13-6 - (9 September 2013 - 8 June 2014)
17-14-6 - (8 June 2014 - 7 July 2014)
17-14-7 - (7 July 2014 - 1 February 2015)
17-14-8 - (1 February 2015 - 12 July 2015)
17-14-9 - (12 July 2015 - 13 September 2015)
17-14-10 - (13 September 2015 - 31 January 2016)
17-14-11 - (31 January 2016 - 5 June 2016)
17-14-12 - (5 June 2016 - 29 January 2017)
18-14-12 - (29 January 2017 - 11 June 2017)
18-15-12 - (11 June 2017 - 16 July 2017)
19-15-12 - (16 July 2017 - 10 September 2017)
19-16-12 - (10 September 2017 - 28 January 2018)
20-16-12 - (28 January 2018 - 10 June 2018)
20-17-12 - (10 June 2018 - 15 July 2018)
20-17-13 - (15 July 2018 - 9 September 2018)
20-17-14 - (9 September 2018 - 27 January 2019)
20-17-15 - (27 January 2019 - 9 June 2019)
20-18-15 - (9 June 2019 - 14 July 2019)
20-18-16 - (14 July 2019 - 8 September 2019)
20-19-16 - (8 September 2019 - 2 February 2020)
20-19-17 - (2 February 2020 - 11 October 2020)
20-20-17 - (11 October 2020 - 21 February 2021)
20-20-18 - (21 February 2021 - 13 June 2021)
20-20-19 - (13 June 2021 - 11 July 2021)
20-20-20 - (11 July 2021 - 30 January 2022)
20-21-20 - (30 January 2022 - 5 June 2022)
20-22-20 - (5 June 2022 - 10 July 2022)
20-22-21 - (10 July 2022 - 29 January 2023)
20-22-22 - (29 January 2023 - 11 June 2023)
20-22-23 - (11 June 2023 - 10 September 2023)
20-22-24 - (10 September 2023 - Present)
 

legcramp

Professional
And you can go celebrate anything that Djokovic wins with the other 7 fans in the world. Damn it must hurt so bad to achieve something and nobody cares LOL.
novak-won-this-match-4-years-ago-on-this-day-v0-szo6oqxytvbb1.jpg
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
And that is how one should be. There was tennis before and after your fav player. Tennis was there when I wasn't born, will be there when I am dead.

Great champions were there before, great champions will come in the future too. Getting stuck to one player and tarnishing other player's achievements is the worst way to follow a sport.

Hope this discourse of ours helps clearing where we stand as a fanbase. :)

PS: I know a lott of fans of rival fanbases have waited too long for Djokovic reign to end, so that they can attack the fanbase and get something out of it. But once he got all the records, I think there isn't much to discuss. We can move on to choose new players as our fav to follow the sport and maybe next time your player will take all the cherries. We will see.
I couldn't have said this better. Very well said. Imagine hating a player because he was so good at this sport, so good that he did better than the player you like. I never liked Tom Brady but I sure as hell respected him and respect him even more now. I never tried to take away his brilliance as an athlete, a quarterback, and a legend on the field like these guys online are trying to do to Djokovic now. We don't need that kind of attitude in sports. Accept someone won and someone lost, and move on.

Of course they have. It's an empty victory though and what are they gaining? Nothing. Djokovic still sits on the top with all his accolades and achievements.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in major count:

1-0-0 - (6 July 2003 - 1 February 2004)
2-0-0 - (1 February 2004 - 4 July 2004)
3-0-0 - (4 July 2004 - 12 September 2004)
4-0-0 - (12 September 2004 - 5 June 2005)
4-1-0 - (5 June 2005 - 3 July 2005)
5-1-0 - (3 July 2005 - 11 September 2005)
6-1-0 - (11 September 2005 - 29 January 2006)
7-1-0 - (29 January 2006 - 11 June 2006)
7-2-0 - (11 June 2006 - 9 July 2006)
8-2-0 - (9 July 2006 - 10 September 2006)
9-2-0 - (10 September 2006 - 28 January 2007)
10-2-0 - (28 January 2007 - 10 June 2007)
10-3-0 - (10 June 2007 - 8 July 2007)
11-3-0 - (8 July 2007 - 9 September 2007)
12-3-0 - (9 September 2007 - 27 January 2008)
12-3-1 - (27 January 2008 - 8 June 2008)
12-4-1 - (8 June 2008 - 6 July 2008)
12-5-1 - (6 July 2008 - 8 September 2008)
13-5-1 - (8 September 2008 - 1 February 2009)
13-6-1 - (1 February 2009 - 7 June 2009)
14-6-1 - (7 June 2009 - 5 July 2009)
15-6-1 - (5 July 2009 - 31 January 2010)
16-6-1 - (31 January 2010 - 6 June 2010)
16-7-1 - (6 June 2010 - 4 July 2010)
16-8-1 - (4 July 2010 - 13 September 2010)
16-9-1 - (13 September 2010 - 30 January 2011)
16-9-2 - (30 January 2011 - 5 June 2011)
16-10-2 - (5 June 2011 - 3 July 2011)
16-10-3 - (3 July 2011 - 12 September 2011)
16-10-4 - (12 September 2011 - 29 January 2012)
16-10-5 - (29 January 2012 - 11 June 2012)
16-11-5 - (11 June 2012 - 8 July 2012)
17-11-5 - (8 July 2012 - 27 January 2013)
17-11-6 - (27 January 2013 - 9 June 2013)
17-12-6 - (9 June 2013 - 9 September 2013)
17-13-6 - (9 September 2013 - 8 June 2014)
17-14-6 - (8 June 2014 - 7 July 2014)
17-14-7 - (7 July 2014 - 1 February 2015)
17-14-8 - (1 February 2015 - 12 July 2015)
17-14-9 - (12 July 2015 - 13 September 2015)
17-14-10 - (13 September 2015 - 31 January 2016)
17-14-11 - (31 January 2016 - 5 June 2016)
17-14-12 - (5 June 2016 - 29 January 2017)
18-14-12 - (29 January 2017 - 11 June 2017)
18-15-12 - (11 June 2017 - 16 July 2017)
19-15-12 - (16 July 2017 - 10 September 2017)
19-16-12 - (10 September 2017 - 28 January 2018)
20-16-12 - (28 January 2018 - 10 June 2018)
20-17-12 - (10 June 2018 - 15 July 2018)
20-17-13 - (15 July 2018 - 9 September 2018)
20-17-14 - (9 September 2018 - 27 January 2019)
20-17-15 - (27 January 2019 - 9 June 2019)
20-18-15 - (9 June 2019 - 14 July 2019)
20-18-16 - (14 July 2019 - 8 September 2019)
20-19-16 - (8 September 2019 - 2 February 2020)
20-19-17 - (2 February 2020 - 11 October 2020)
20-20-17 - (11 October 2020 - 21 February 2021)
20-20-18 - (21 February 2021 - 13 June 2021)
20-20-19 - (13 June 2021 - 11 July 2021)
20-20-20 - (11 July 2021 - 30 January 2022)
20-21-20 - (30 January 2022 - 5 June 2022)
20-22-20 - (5 June 2022 - 10 July 2022)
20-22-21 - (10 July 2022 - 29 January 2023)
20-22-22 - (29 January 2023 - 11 June 2023)
20-22-23 - (11 June 2023 - 10 September 2023)
20-22-24 - (10 September 2023 - Present)
Reminds me of the race with the tortoise and the hare.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
I couldn't have said this better. Very well said. Imagine hating a player because he was so good at this sport, so good that he did better than the player you like. I never liked Tom Brady but I sure as hell respected him and respect him even more now. I never tried to take away his brilliance as an athlete, a quarterback, and a legend on the field like these guys online are trying to do to Djokovic now. We don't need that kind of attitude in sports. Accept someone won and someone lost, and move on.

Of course they have. It's an empty victory though and what are they gaining? Nothing. Djokovic still sits on the top with all his accolades and achievements.

But we have to be ready, there will be countless more threads on this putting Djokovic down coming as he fades away slowly.

Not that anyone gains anything out of this, as you rightly put - he sits on the top of the pile and nothing really changes that for the era that he played tennis.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
But we have to be ready, there will be countless more threads on this putting Djokovic down coming as he fades away slowly.

Not that anyone gains anything out of this, as you rightly put - he sits on the top of the pile and nothing really changes that for the era that he played tennis.
Yea they will but will be in vain. Until someone breaks his records, he will be the top dog in tennis. That's the reality, whether they want to accept it or not.
 
The way some fans are acting it like Alcaraz win gives Fedal another slam each and deducts a slam from Djokovic.

Sorry folks but it’s still 24 > 22 > 20

Alcaraz enhanced his legacy but it doesn’t change anything with the big 3! Lol
 

FlyingSaucer

Semi-Pro
I think the more interesting question is, Fed fans had been crying about him being old as early as 2008, when he was 10 years younger than Djokovic is now

When Fed starting aging, many of his fans claimed whatever he did from that point on could only add to his legacy, and never detract from it. Yet, a 37 year old Djokovic loses to a guy young enough to be his son and he sucks? Lol
He was already being asked about retirement as far back as that. Even tennis media folk saw him as on the wane.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Just trying to give you some closure, let it out buddeh.
The closure is that Federer is better than Djokovic and the only reason he's behind is because he's 6 years older and they played a gazillion times with Djokovic having an age advantage. Sort of like Alcaraz is going to make mincemeat out of Djokovic from now on until Djokovic decides that enough is enough and retires.

Also Fed didn't have the luxury of facing no younger ATG for a decade to rack up 20 thousand free Slams.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Gil Gross has an excellent analysis of the match on his youtube channel. Djokovic is good enough to beat any player despite his recent knee surgery except the top 2(Alcarz and Sinner).
That’s because the rest of the tour are bums. Alcaraz is the first great player to emerge since 2007. There’s nothing great about beating up on guys like Musetti, Anderson, Tsitsipas, Berretinni etc. Alcaraz could probably beat Tsitsipas playing left handed.
 
That’s because the rest of the tour are bums. Alcaraz is the first great player to emerge since 2007. There’s nothing great about beating up on guys like Musetti, Anderson, Tsitsipas, Berretinni etc. Alcaraz could probably beat Tsitsipas playing left handed.
Well, losing to the greatest player ever doesn't make someone a bum. Anyways, anyone who is top 20 in the world at anything isn't a bum.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Gil Gross has an excellent analysis of the match on his youtube channel. Djokovic is good enough to beat any player despite his recent knee surgery except the top 2(Alcarz and Sinner).
Maybe he is still capable, but he hasn't shown it on the court. He doesn't have a top 10 win all year and has been racking up losses to nobodies.
 

Midaso240

Legend
Those other players just aren't good enough, all there is to it. Guys like Tsitsipas, if they had their age frozen forever but Novak aged normally he'd probably still beat them at 50 years old
 
Yea and it must be so frustrating supporting Djokovic beat every single record and STILL not get half the recognition that Federer and Nadal have. People would be more interested in a 50-year old Fed exho than Djokovic playing another tier 4 player in a Slam final. The only difference is that FINALLY he now has a proper roadblack (a younger ATG) that should've happened years ago instead of in 2023/2024 after he racked up double digit Slams in a career inflation era.

There is nothing that Djokovic can or will do that will make people like him. And tennis isn't some sort of kingdom, it really is a popularity contest at the end of the day, because when it comes down to it it's 2 dudes hitting a yellow ball with tennis racquets, like how does it matter in the big picture. Djokovic could win another 20 Slams and people will still prefer Federer and Nadal, damn that must hurt a lot.
And now the game is decided by who is more poular. It is not a popularity contest.You are living in your imaginary world where slam wins are useless and on what metrics fedrer was so popular . Wasn't he playing the same game which nadal and novak are playing. In your mind fedrer wins because he is popular and person who beats him is doing some sin.
Come out of your media biased eyes and see the reality. Poularity has nothing to do with playing ability. Mansoor behrami old man of tennis is also popular and people love his court drama .so fedrer is equal to mansoor behrami.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
And now the game is decided by who is more poular. It is not a popularity contest.You are living in your imaginary world where slam wins are useless and on what metrics fedrer was so popular . Wasn't he playing the same game which nadal and novak are playing. In your mind fedrer wins because he is popular and person who beats him is doing some sin.
Come out of your media biased eyes and see the reality. Poularity has nothing to do with playing ability. Mansoor behrami old man of tennis is also popular and people love his court drama .so fedrer is equal to mansoor behrami.
When Federer had the Slam record you couldn't hear the end of it. Djokovic beat it and it's like meeh.

Also you do realize that GOAT is an opinion at the end of the day? Laver f.e. will always be in the conversation even if Djokovic wins 10 more Slams.

Who are you to tell someone who thinks that Federer is not greater than Djokovic when he has more Wimbledons, the flat out most important tournament in history? Is that flawed reasoning?
 
Yea and it must be so frustrating supporting Djokovic beat every single record and STILL not get half the recognition that Federer and Nadal have. People would be more interested in a 50-year old Fed exho than Djokovic playing another tier 4 player in a Slam final. The only difference is that FINALLY he now has a proper roadblack (a younger ATG) that should've happened years ago instead of in 2023/2024 after he racked up double digit Slams in a career inflation era.

There is nothing that Djokovic can or will do that will make people like him. And tennis isn't some sort of kingdom, it really is a popularity contest at the end of the day, because when it comes down to it it's 2 dudes hitting a yellow ball with tennis racquets, like how does it matter in the big picture. Djokovic could win another 20 Slams and people will still prefer Federer and Nadal, damn that must hurt a lot.
And now the game is decided by who is more poular. It is not a popularity contest.You are living in your imaginary world where slam wins are useless and on what
When Federer had the Slam record you couldn't hear the end of it. Djokovic beat it and it's like meeh.

Also you do realize that GOAT is an opinion at the end of the day? Laver f.e. will always be in the conversation even if Djokovic wins 10 more Slams.

Who are you to tell someone who thinks that Federer is not greater than Djokovic when he has more Wimbledons, the flat out most important tournament in history? Is that flaw
 

SonnyT

Legend
Requires the choke of the century to beat a 38-year old Federer.

Wins 10+ Slams against guys like Berrettini or Kyrgios because he didn't have to face a younger ATG until he was almost 37.

No freaking wonder why he's so butthurt that the public still sees Federer and Nadal as superior. Paper GOAT that's what he is and everybody knows this LOL. Back in the day this would've been an average draw for a 500 and these were his Slam winning draws LMAO. Forever behind Fedal.
Djokovic defeated Berrettini as the 20th slam. Let me count for you! 19th slam was when he beat Nadal at RG; 18th was when he beat Thiem at AO.

So out of Djokovic's first 19 slams, he beat a combination of Big 4 (Fedal + Murray) 17 times. In the other two, he beat JMdP & Thiem. It was sure harder than beating the likes of Schuttler & Baghdaitis (2003 & 2006 AO).

Djokovic was the GOAT. Only a tiny minority still worshipped at the feet of Fedal!
 
You seems like that person for whom first impression is the last impression. I am no less fedrer fan than you but i dont keep my eye close when i can see that fedrer records are not good enough to stop rafa or novak to pass him. Ofcourse playing style of fedrer was effortless and one time his domination was indeed better than past or present players but you are closing your eyes when long slump came and that was fedrer undoing. #18 19 20 came late .Seen whole fedrer playing years.His legacy will remain .
 

SonnyT

Legend
Djokovic had post-'11 records of 9-2 slams, 12-8 non-slams against Federer. If Fed had won slams against Djokovic the same proposition in slams as in non-slams, he would've won the slam race.

And don't tell me that Djokovic had to wait for the years to wear down Fed! Djokovic had won AO and US in 2008 and 2010 when he was 21 and 23 years old. And when Djokovic had beat Federer at a slam, he would never lose again.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Djokovic defeated Berrettini as the 20th slam. Let me count for you! 19th slam was when he beat Nadal at RG; 18th was when he beat Thiem at AO.

So out of Djokovic's first 19 slams, he beat a combination of Big 4 (Fedal + Murray) 17 times. In the other two, he beat JMdP & Thiem. It was sure harder than beating the likes of Schuttler & Baghdaitis (2003 & 2006 AO).

Djokovic was the GOAT. Only a tiny minority still worshipped at the feet of Fedal!
He had no younger ATG until Alcaraz. It's a joke. Wow he beat old Fed and Thiem, super. Much wow
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in major count:


1-0-0 - (6 July 2003 - 1 February 2004)
2-0-0 - (1 February 2004 - 4 July 2004)
3-0-0 - (4 July 2004 - 12 September 2004)
4-0-0 - (12 September 2004 - 5 June 2005)
4-1-0 - (5 June 2005 - 3 July 2005)
5-1-0 - (3 July 2005 - 11 September 2005)
6-1-0 - (11 September 2005 - 29 January 2006)
7-1-0 - (29 January 2006 - 11 June 2006)
7-2-0 - (11 June 2006 - 9 July 2006)
8-2-0 - (9 July 2006 - 10 September 2006)
9-2-0 - (10 September 2006 - 28 January 2007)
10-2-0 - (28 January 2007 - 10 June 2007)
10-3-0 - (10 June 2007 - 8 July 2007)
11-3-0 - (8 July 2007 - 9 September 2007)
12-3-0 - (9 September 2007 - 27 January 2008)

12-3-1 - (27 January 2008 - 8 June 2008)
12-4-1 - (8 June 2008 - 6 July 2008)
12-5-1 - (6 July 2008 - 8 September 2008)
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7 Crucial Phases in the combined careers of Big 3.

Phase 1 : Transition phase between Sampras and Federer
Phase 2 : Federer's dominance
Phase 3 : Downfall of Federer and Rise of Nadal
Phase 4 : Downfall of Federer+Nadal and rise of Djokovic
Phase 5 : Downfall of Djokovic and second wind for Federer+Nadal
Phase 6 : Second wind for Djokovic and gradual demise of Federer+Nadal
Phase 7 : Demise of Djokovic and rise of Alcaraz+Sinner

Phase 2 to 6 has been listed by you @Mustard Of course Federer's demise and Nadal's demise are not coinciding, Nadal's is more in sync with Djokovic's due to their age unlike his rise which was years before but if we look at the era from the lens of having a hold on tour then this bifurcation is apt.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Why does age only matter when he plays Alcaraz and to some extent Sinner? Against the rest of the 90s gen it didn't matter and he was peaking according to his fans.
Was this just an agenda by fanboys to discredit Fed and show that 90s gen would have been slam winners it's just that old Djokovic was as good as 20s Djokovic because he isnt like Fedal in that he ages like fine wine. The same 90s gen losers are being dominated by Sinner and Alcaraz too so what does this prove?
What are you talking about? It doesn't make any sense!

BTW, we know Djokovic wasn't near his best, but he won 3 slams in 2023!
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
What are you talking about? It doesn't make any sense!

BTW, we know Djokovic wasn't near his best, but he won 3 slams in 2023!

The point is that some fans are saying Djokovic is winning because he aged well, which has some truth in it, but only tells half the story. Did he win 3 majors because he's as good as he used to be or because the quality of his opponents has declined?
 
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