Alcaraz 2024: The Most Dominant Display Of Serving In Recent Wimbledon Finals History.

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Djoker:
"He played with a lot of variety. I’ve never seen him serve that way. 136 mph. I’ve never seen him serve that fast.
He really outplayed me… he was better than me in every aspect of the game.”

The GOAT returner Djoker managed to win just 9 points off of Alcaraz's first serve.

Has there been a more dominant display of serving on a Final on Centre Court in last 15 years? We don't think so.
:rolleyes:


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Aces58
1st Serve % In56/95 = 59%71/101 = 70%
Winning % on 1st Serve47/56 = 84%!!!47/71 = 66%
Winning % on 2nd Serve20/39 = 51%12/30 = 40%
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
Djoker:
"He played with a lot of variety. I’ve never seen him serve that way. 136 mph. I’ve never seen him serve that fast.
He really outplayed me… he was better than me in every aspect of the game.”

The GOAT returner Djoker managed to win just 9 points off of Alcaraz's first serve.

Has there been a more dominant display of serving on a Final on Centre Court in last 15 years? We don't think so.
:rolleyes:

Why are you eye rolling at your own conclusory statement. :unsure: Have you reached the same conclusion your gentle readers have. That it’s generally tripe. :giggle:

Have you reached a definitive diagnosis on my fav Brooksby yet?
 
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Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
2019 Wimbledon Final: Federer won 73% of the points off of his first serve against GOAT returner Djoker.
2024 Wimbledon Final: Alcaraz won 84% of the points off of his first serve against GOAT returner Djoker.

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Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
The truth is in the knee. Movement before (2023) and after (2024) Djokovic operation and I like Carlos much more than Sinner and wish him to be number one at lest for 5 years in the next decade. :cool:


 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Djoker:
"He played with a lot of variety. I’ve never seen him serve that way. 136 mph. I’ve never seen him serve that fast.
He really outplayed me… he was better than me in every aspect of the game.”

The GOAT returner Djoker managed to win just 9 points off of Alcaraz's first serve.

Has there been a more dominant display of serving on a Final on Centre Court in last 15 years? We don't think so.

Alcaraz on grass is the definition of a serve plus player, making most of the difference with his fantastic follow-up, born out of sheer quality and natural aggression. If you combine that with one of his best serve days....

Sadly Nole's movement was clearly compromised, but the rest of the opposition was unable to take advantage*. Carlos has the quality and the guts and his form was great.

*Musetti will in doubt fall back, a bit like Zverev. Safety is danger, on grass against this Djokovic.
 
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RSJfan

Hall of Fame
2019 Wimbledon Final: Federer won 73% of the points off of his first serve against GOAT returner Djoker.
2024 Wimbledon Final: Alcaraz won 84% of the points off of his first serve against GOAT returner Djoker.

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Maybe because Egg sucked in 2024 compared to 2019. That 2024 Egg was very far from a GOAT returner. :unsure:

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The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
TC was broken like 20x in Wimby 2024. Now his level in the F was indeed impressive. However, Suckovic was so bad it’s hard to tell which made the bigger difference.
 
Djokovic didn’t win a title all year. You don’t exactly have to be Sampras on serve to beat Djoker now. Beating Djoker now isn’t that huge of an achievement in 2024
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
It's normal that old legends like Novak loose to the young ATG like Carlos and Jannik. 2023 final was great, 2024 was a s... show which is understandable due to knee operation.
Neither F was great. I was just pointing out how Joker lost the 2023 F too despite his movement not being affected. And I find it funny how age is being brought up now when Joker fans en masse were saying things like age is just a number and 2023 > 2013 Joker.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
TT experts claim Alcaraz height and serve is a yuge problem...
Alcaraz closed 2024 twelfth in service rating, fourteenth for % of games won on serve, and 59th for average of aces per match.

It is clear that the serve, especially on hard surfaces, is his weak point that on natural surfaces he manages to hide better by also using the slice.
But if he wants to take the next step, he has to improve those service rankings that I mentioned before and not by a little.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
The truth is in the knee.

Oh please stop. He was doing splits and airplane slides after a supposed complete tear of his meniscus. It is a disgraceful lie we've all been fed

Alcaraz on grass is the definition of a serve plus player, making most of the difference with his fantastic follow-up, born out of sheer quality and natural aggression. If you combine that with one of his best serve days....

Sadly Nole's movement was clearly compromised, but the rest of the opposition was unable to take advantage*. Carlos has the quality and the guts and his form was great.

*Musetti will in doubt fall back, a bit like Zverev. Safety is danger, on grass against this Djokovic.

See above

TC was broken like 20x in Wimby 2024. Now his level in the F was indeed impressive. However, Suckovic was so bad it’s hard to tell which made the bigger difference.

See above

Djoko was unkillable at RG, and would have won Wimbledon easily if not for facing an equal talent. I don't wanna hear the injury excuses

TT experts claim Alcaraz height and serve is a yuge problem...

Yeah that's another thing I don't want to hear anymore. Carlos is like an inch or two shorter than Rafa and people talk about him like he's a dwarf. They also say his serve sucks. Riiiiight
 

junior74

Bionic Poster
Alcaraz closed 2024 twelfth in service rating, fourteenth for % of games won on serve, and 59th for average of aces per match.

It is clear that the serve, especially on hard surfaces, is his weak point that on natural surfaces he manages to hide better by also using the slice.
But if he wants to take the next step, he has to improve those service rankings that I mentioned before and not by a little.

All players can't be the best server. A lot of guys ahead of him in those rankings hasn't got game to back up the serve.
His game, serve included, was good enough to win two this year. And he is still an improving player, so yeah.
 

Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
Oh please stop. He was doing splits and airplane slides after a supposed complete tear of his meniscus. It is a disgraceful lie we've all been fed



See above



See above

Djoko was unkillable at RG, and would have won Wimbledon easily if not for facing an equal talent. I don't wanna hear the injury excuses



Yeah that's another thing I don't want to hear anymore. Carlos is like an inch or two shorter than Rafa and people talk about him like he's a dwarf. They also say his serve sucks. Riiiiight
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Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
Neither F was great. I was just pointing out how Joker lost the 2023 F too despite his movement not being affected. And I find it funny how age is being brought up now when Joker fans en masse were saying things like age is just a number and 2023 > 2013 Joker.
Well , every legend has its end.

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Incognito

Legend
Alcaraz on grass is the definition of a serve plus player, making most of the difference with his fantastic follow-up, born out of sheer quality and natural aggression. If you combine that with one of his best serve days....

Sadly Nole's movement was clearly compromised, but the rest of the opposition was unable to take advantage*. Carlos has the quality and the guts and his form was great.

*Musetti will in doubt fall back, a bit like Zverev. Safety is danger, on grass against this Djokovic.
Was he compromised the whole tournament or just the final?
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
All players can't be the best server. A lot of guys ahead of him in those rankings hasn't got game to back up the serve.
His game, serve included, was good enough to win two this year. And he is still an improving player, so yeah.
But here no one is discussing Alcaraz's value.
The data I reported would be great for a... Tommie Paul, but for a player like Alcaraz who aims to become a dominator, until he improves those data he will never become a dominator but "only" a player with great extemporaneous exploits.
And to avoid misunderstandings, by dominator I mean someone who is able to win consistently.

Alcaraz's serve is not mediocre in itself but it becomes so if we relate everything to the expectations placed on him, those of a potential dominator.
Judgements and analyses must be related to expectations.

And in any case, the very fact that Alcaraz has an active game that is more effective than 99.99999 of current players, this shows how his serve is not very incisive.

On Grass his ranking further deteriorates as he is only 48th in serve rating, only 55th in game won percentage, and only 61st in average aces per match, ergo, his serving performance in the Wimbledon final with Djokovic was the classic exception that proves the rule, that Alcaraz's serve is pretty mediocre for the elite level.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
See above

Djoko was unkillable at RG, and would have won Wimbledon easily if not for facing an equal talent. I don't wanna hear the injury excuses
What excuse did I make? I literally pointed out that to the guy making the excuse for the loss in 2024 that he also lost in 2023 despite not being injured.
 

Incognito

Legend
He beat Rune and Musetti in straight sets. I don't want to hear injury excuses from anyone lol
He was completely outplayed, Carlos didn’t do any of that prolonged rallies. Carlos went ultra aggressive and everything went in. It’s one of those days.
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
59% and 5 aces in a Wimbledon final, I can't even comprehend it.

5 aces would be a bad game with a couple deuces for PETE in the 90s son.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Yes, they make it sound as if his knee injury was like Feds who missed a whole year and could barely 6 months after a knee operation.

I'll be honest, I think that was intentional by Djoko. Still trolling Fed with how much better he is.

Basically..."weak Roger missed all that time with a meniscus tear, and I almost won a Channel Slam with one, because I am superior"

He never had a tear at all
 
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