Alcaraz 22 years old vs the big 4 at their pet slams

Who would win?

  • Djoko in AO

  • Alcaraz in AO

  • Nadal in RG

  • Alcaraz in RG

  • Federer in WB

  • Alcaraz in WB

  • Sampras in USO

  • Alcaraz in USO

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Razer said:
Bull looks truly magnificent in this pic, like a bonafide athlete or a fighter.

No part in his body is too muscular or less muscular than what it should be, his body fat also seems appropriate. It looks like he could play other sports too and he would not look out of play in any sport he played.
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The beauty and aesthetics of youth; time is unforgivable with everyone.
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DSH said:
The beauty and aesthetics of youth; time is unforgivable with everyone.
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True, time just destroys everything. Nadal's teenage years battling Federer take us back to 2005-06 instantly in our mind. Those times long gone...
 
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Dropshot777 said:
I mean he beat old Rafa at Madrid. Maybe I gave raz a bit too much of a chance in order to keep the win percentages spaced, but prime raz would have a small chance of winning.
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Exactly, that was Ancientdal on his last legs having to numb his foot for all of RG just to play. And Madrid plays completely different to RG, but more importantly than that, Carl barely got past The Sinner and Zedrot who aren’t in the same universe as Peakdal.
 
Biotic said:
Nadal's successor did the best he could. Just wasn't enough against the experienced Djokomeister. But look at it from the bright side: at least he didn't run away from the fight on the surface he doesn't feel comfortable, like Nadal regularly did.
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I think young Nadal would like to face a weakened version of Djokovic than the one he faced in 2019, for example.
;)
 
octobrina10 said:
1) You're not up to date. The Serbian president has promised to build a museum for Djoko:
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A museum for Novak Djokovic in Serbia? The country's president says plans are underway | Tennis.com

"We will strive to showcase what Djokovic has done for our country in accordance with his merits and at the same time attract tourists," says Aleksandar Vucic.
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It is not a museum for Djokovic, but a potential museum of Serbian sports, where, according to the idea, all significant trophies of Serbian sports in history should be found (if the owners decide to give them for permanent display).

After all, whatever the current fascist president of Serbia says is not true, the guy lies 365 days a year and has been for 13 years in a row.
 
Biotic said:
Nadal's successor did the best he could. Just wasn't enough against the experienced Djokomeister. But look at it from the bright side: at least he didn't run away from the fight on the surface he doesn't feel comfortable, like Nadal regularly did.
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This is the dumbest myth/narrative (of many) coming from your side, lol.
 
The Blond Blur said:
Exactly, that was Ancientdal on his last legs having to numb his foot for all of RG just to play. And Madrid plays completely different to RG, but more importantly than that, Carl barely got past The Sinner and Zedrot who aren’t in the same universe as Peakdal.
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You right
 
DSH said:
It's an image worthy of having a statue outside RG, don't you think?
:cool:
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I think one statue of this kind is enough. This statue is inside the RG stadium:

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Alcaraz takeover said:
Everyone wants to remember Djokovic's wins against Alcaraz but pretend demolition jobs like this never happened:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812512574044299389
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The two wimbledon finals they had totally consigned W2019 F to dust importance wise. 2 consecutive finals won when so young against a 7 time champion at the premiere tennis event of the year really does probably propel Alcaraz ahead of Djokovic on the ATG list if he breaks double digit Majors tbh assuming he plays in an era of other multi slam winning champions like Sinner and others.
 
Sampras USO feels like the least terrible of these scenarios for Charles, which is to say he would very likely get served off the court. The rest, forget about it, he's getting chopped up neatly.
 
the better question is could alcaraz even win a set against them and their pet slams and they were also 22. All they would need do is break his serve once. And that would be very easy for all of them to do
 
TheFifthSet said:
Longer. He was lying through his teeth, stoking ethnic tensions and being an SRS mouthpiece/Seselj’s dog even in the early ‘90s.
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What's worse is that the EU brought a reincarnated fascist maniac to power in Serbia, and we all know why...

And yes, you're right, he been lying since the 90s as part of Seselj and Milosevic's communist-fascist alliance.
 
The Blond Blur said:
This is the dumbest myth/narrative (of many) coming from your side, lol.
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This was the perfect opportunity for you to bring up for the 150th time all the matches they could've played on HC during that 2017-18 period if only Djokovic had been good enough to reach a resurgent Nadal who would've undoubtedly pummeled him into the ground. You're slipping BB!! :whistle:
 
Djokovic2011 said:
This was the perfect opportunity for you to bring up for the 150th time all the matches they could've played on HC during that 2017-18 period if only Djokovic had been good enough to reach a resurgent Nadal who would've undoubtedly pummeled him into the ground. You're slipping BB!! :whistle:
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You are quite literally more obsessed with me than I ever was at disproving this long debunked myth at this point my guy :p
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Pete with that Bh and SNV not gonna do it.

Agassi had the baseline game to go toe to toe with Fed. When light baseliner of baseline evolution era (2000-2004) could own Pete then what Chances he had against modern players? Pete was best in his condition and thinking any player would be same in all eras is just plain delusion.
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This ^^^ just look at how Sampras folded against Hewitt. That doesn't mean Hewitt was a greater player than Sampras, it just means Hewitt's game was a nightmare for Sampras and his ilk.
 
Razer said:
Bull looks truly magnificent in this pic, like a bonafide athlete or a fighter.

No part in his body is too muscular or less muscular than what it should be, his body fat also seems appropriate. It looks like he could play other sports too and he would not look out of place in any sport he played.
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Peakiest peak Nadal and the best he ever looked.

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All right. I will play along. This is Alcaraz’s age-22 season. I will sum up my picks in a 10 match series:

AO:
2009 Djoker 6-4 over 2025 Carlos

FO:
2008 Nadal 9-1 over 2025 Carlos

WI:
2003 Federer 7-3 over 2025 Carlos

USO:
1993 Sampras 8-2 over 2025 Carlos

Carlos will improve. I like this kid. But he’s not quite ready to battle peak versions of Nadal and Federer on their best surfaces, or peak Sampras on his 2nd best surface(fast hard courts). He can challenge nonpeak Glutenic in Australia, but will still fall a little bit short there.
 
Entertainment wise, most fun to watch I think would be Rafa vs Charles warring on Chatrier. Followed by Roggie giving a masterclass on the grass.

Vs. Djokovic in Melbourne would be a methodical picking apart with crazy defence from both. Alcapras at Flushing would be a smorgasbord of volleys and probably a LOT of shanked returns.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Peakiest peak Nadal and the best he ever looked.

2008-queens-club-nadal-800x300-getty.jpg
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Yes, this reminds me of my own 19-22 years old version when my body was just perfect for me, thats the age when there was not unnecessary body fat at any level and maximum muscle mass, maximum agility, maximum speed and reflexes at the absolute best, fastest recovery ever, everything felt so good and I was like hungry all day, metabolism at its apex.

So thats not a surprise Nadal was at his absolute apex in the 05-08 period, this pic you posted must be from the grass season of 2008 .. queens? The Bull was never the same physically after the clay season of 2009. Time takes a toll on everyone, it is sad to see these pics now and think what has happened in like 18-19 years time.


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Youth is youth, that just cannot be bought, time is truly priceless.

Take a look at this pic for example, Djokodal in this pic actually look young and at their apex while poor Federer looks a bit past his prime with his youth a bit behind him. This is a pic probably from the ATP Finals of 2011 the promo for that.... A Fanatic of Djokovic would say that Federer was young in 2010s but pics like these clearly reveal a lot just be looking at the face of Federer.....

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Youth is everything, once that is gone it is all gone. Federer's youth was spent fighting Nadal and it was ever declining even then, later it was all gone. The actual youth of Federer was back in 03-05, even 06 not is the athletic peak of Federer if you think about it, thats the same as saying 2010 Nadal is not the Nadal of 2005-early 09 which is true.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
I am a Nadal fan but i have noticed many Nadal fans love him for non tennis related things like looks, style, charisma ,Aura etc lol. I never cared about these things lol
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Professional sport is a form of entertainment. Performers' "looks, style, charisma, Aura" matter in the entertainment world.
 
I think he'd only be a slight favorite in the USO vs Sampras. Others (primes) are out of reach. Probably something on the lines of:
3-7 vs 11' Nole in AO
2-8 vs 08' Rafa in RG
3-7 vs 06' Roger in WB
6-4 vs 95' Sampras in USO

Vs their averages though is a bit of a different topic. Maybe something like:
4-6 vs Nole in AO
3-7 vs Rafa in RG
5-5 vs Roger in WB
7-3 vs Sampras in USO

Though it is relative as with anything. It's a composition bias, and this arguably doesn't make him worse per se than any of them. Take for example this:
He > 06' Fed in RG
He > 08' Rafa in USO
He ~ 11' Novak in WB
He probably ~ 95' Sampras in AO (he's 22 on Australia only next season, in 2026)

PD: I undershot: attending to OP it's strictly a 22yo comparison, and given he's the best 22yo player out of the 5, bar (maybe) Nadal he'd definitely be the favorite against any of them everywhere bar Nadal at RG and (maybe) WB

Just to clarify, these would be 09' Nadal, 08' Djokovic, 03' Roger and 93' Sampras (2nd best of these behind Nadal btw, at least on USO)
 
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Jav said:
I think he'd only be a slight favorite in the USO vs Sampras. Others (primes) are out of reach. Probably something on the lines of:
3-7 vs 11' Nole in AO
2-8 vs 08' Rafa in RG
3-7 vs 06' Roger in WB
6-4 vs 95' Sampras in USO

Vs their averages though is a bit of a different topic. Maybe something like:
4-6 vs Nole in AO
3-7 vs Rafa in RG
5-5 vs Roger in WB
7-3 vs Sampras in USO

Though it is relative as with anything. It's a composition bias, and this arguably doesn't make him worse per se than any of them. Take for example this:
He > 06' Fed in RG
He > 08' Rafa in USO
He ~ 11' Novak in WB
He probably ~ 95' Sampras in AO (he's 22 on Australia only next season, in 2026)
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I've never met anyone as delusional as you.

0-10 11' Nole
0-10 08' Rafa
0-10 06' Roger
1-9 95' Pistol
 
Nadal at age 22 after the 2008 French Open was an unbeaten 28-0 at the French Open (only 7 sets lost in total), and had won 4 titles there. Nadal was already 4-0 against Federer there, and 3-0 against Djokovic there.

This dominance is among the greatest ever.
 
Mustard said:
Nadal at age 22 after the 2008 French Open was an unbeaten 28-0 at the French Open (only 7 sets lost in total), and had won 4 titles there. Nadal was already 4-0 against Federer there, and 3-0 against Djokovic there.

This dominance is among the greatest ever.
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Nothing impressive about dominating Roger on clay, Nadal was beating Roger even on outdoor Hc and lost only one controversial match , however Nadal has impressive wins against Novak on clay because Novak fought him hard there. Novak is the man.
 
Dropshot777 said:
I would say that 22 years old is a bad question because 22 year old Nadal was near his prime while 22 year old Novak was not that great yet so that affects it too much. I’m gonna answer 25 years old vs 22 years old instead:

I would say the most likely would be Raz beating Federer at Wimbledon because Roger is less of a specialist at this slam than all the other options and Wimbledon has been Alcatraz’s best slam in recent years. I would give Alcaraz maybe a 40% chance of winning here. I’d actually give Roger a better chance of winning at both hc slams over Wimbledon

Second most likely would probably be Nadal at RG. This may sound weird, but RG is a good slam for Alcaraz and his game when on is devastating and could trouble Rafa. I’d say Alcaraz has about a 30% chance of winning.

Third most likely for Alcaraz to beat would be Djokovic in my opinion. This may also sound weird as the Australian is the only major Alcaraz hasn't won and it is basically Djokovic's house, but let me explain before you make any arguments. First of all, 25 year old Djokovic didn't have as good a serve as current Djokovic does as that is his main improvement, and definitely not a serve or volley game like Sampras. Alcaraz prefers to play people who are less agressive, and has had trouble with serve-volleyers and people who mix it up well. Just look at how he dropped a set against Purcell in their only encounter despite him being lowly ranked, his big-time struggles with Struff and Botic (Not serve-volleyer but yes a big server) he would not struggle as much with Djokovic's game as he would with Sampras's. I'd give him about 25% chance of winning.

Now Sampras. Sure Alcaraz won the U.S., but it was against poor opponents. Nothing like Sampras. Assuming they both had the same type of racket and string, especially if it is metal, I would give Sampras the win in three close sets. Unlike Agassi, Alcaraz does not take the return early enough to greatly trouble Pete’s serve. About a 20% chance for Alcaraz
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You're about 30% off.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
I am a Nadal fan but i have noticed many Nadal fans love him for non tennis related things like looks, style, charisma ,Aura etc lol. I never cared about these things lol
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Are you really? You've bashed Nadal multiple times before while simultaneously praising Novak. It's not wrongdoing, but can you really call yourself a Nadal fan?
 
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