Alcaraz 22 years old vs the big 4 at their pet slams

Who would win?

  • Djoko in AO

  • Alcaraz in AO

  • Nadal in RG

  • Alcaraz in RG

  • Federer in WB

  • Alcaraz in WB

  • Sampras in USO

  • Alcaraz in USO

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TennisGrandpA said:
Nothing impressive about dominating Roger on clay, Nadal was beating Roger even on outdoor Hc and lost only one controversial match , however Nadal has impressive wins against Novak on clay because Novak fought him hard there. Novak is the man.
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Federer would've easily been the best Clay courter if Rafa didn't exist. Majority of the people agree on this. Even Djoko didn't have to face the Rafa that Fed consistently had to face.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Nothing impressive about dominating Roger on clay
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A winner of Hamburg multiple times, and multiple times runner-up in Monte Carlo and Rome, as well as at the French Open.

TennisGrandpA said:
Nadal was beating Roger even on outdoor Hc and lost only one controversial match , however Nadal has impressive wins against Novak on clay because Novak fought him hard there. Novak is the man.
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At the time, Federer had pushed Nadal to 4 sets at the French Open on three different occasions (i.e. 2005, 2006, 2007), while Nadal had beaten Djokovic at the French Open without losing a set in 2006, 2007, 2008. Djokovic did win 2008 Rome.
 
Mustard said:
A winner of Hamburg multiple times, and multiple times runner-up in Monte Carlo and Rome, as well as at the French Open.


At the time, Federer had pushed Nadal to 4 sets at the French Open on three different occasions (i.e. 2005, 2006, 2007), while Nadal had beaten Djokovic at the French Open without losing a set in 2006, 2007, 2008. Djokovic did win 2008 Rome.
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Bang on bro. People conveniently leave this info out.
 
dking68 said:
I've never met anyone as delusional as you.

0-10 11' Nole
0-10 08' Rafa
0-10 06' Roger
1-9 95' Pistol
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"I've never met anyone as delusional as you."

*Proceeds to violate all rationale and human understanding on Statistics and sports odds*
 
Mustard said:
A winner of Hamburg multiple times, and multiple times runner-up in Monte Carlo and Rome, as well as at the French Open.


At the time, Federer had pushed Nadal to 4 sets at the French Open on three different occasions (i.e. 2005, 2006, 2007), while Nadal had beaten Djokovic at the French Open without losing a set in 2006, 2007, 2008. Djokovic did win 2008 Rome.
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Pushed to 4 while Roger was in prime himself while Rafa was not at his absolute prime , although he was a monster, look dude matches you mentioned had pre prime Novak and once Novak hit prime he fought Rafa way harder than Fed did anywhere except Wimbledon( slam wise) even your hero admitted Novak as his toughest rival lol
 
4UTRMoutet said:
Are you really? You've bashed Nadal multiple times before while simultaneously praising Novak. It's not wrongdoing, but can you really call yourself a Nadal fan?
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Speaking truth is not bashing , I like player i don’t see them as perfect individual. I am not like other Fedal fans who wanna rob Novak off his rightful place as being best of big 3 , it’s injustice to deny him his right place. Nadal fakes injury , fake niceness are legit accusation , I’ll take Novak’s raw personality over fake Fedal PR Bs.
 
UnderArmServeOP said:
Federer would've easily been the best Clay courter if Rafa didn't exist. Majority of the people agree on this. Even Djoko didn't have to face the Rafa that Fed consistently had to face.
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Fed would have easily won 40 slams in absence of Djokodal , he was best at beating non ATG players like drum, tell me something i don’t know @Holmes
 
He’d fare best against Sampras at the USO but I wouldn’t favor him at all. Form at this most recent USO looked promising but I need to see evidence of repeatability.
 
SonnyT said:
Fed was 4-10 vs Nadal, and 4-11 vs Djokovic, take away the 2 matches where Djokovic was 19.

That meant if Federer somehow doubled his winning, he still trailed!
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6-11 against Djokovic. The Federer wins being at the 2007 Australian Open, 2007 US Open, 2008 US Open, 2009 US Open, 2011 French Open and 2012 Wimbledon.

At the time of their 2007 US Open final, Djokovic had just beaten Federer in the 2007 Montreal final, so he wasn't a minnow.
 
Third Serve said:
He’d fare best against Sampras at the USO but I wouldn’t favor him at all. Form at this most recent USO looked promising but I need to see evidence of repeatability.
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Evidence of repeatability at 22 is naturally limited.

What people don't comprehend here is how special 6GS are already. And they can't project into the future either.

These are just modest* projections fgs, though maybe a bit too much extended into the future (the farer, the more uncertain)

*Just as his W%, I predict him to probably keep up, if not improve his GS average to date of ~1,5 per year at least for the foreseeable future

In the future, even in the most pessimistic of outcomes, people looking back at this will worship this 2025 Carlitos season even more so, considering also his main rival, and say something the likes of "insert future ATG would never touch Charlie on any of insert any non-AO major"

But I put him as heavy underdog (yet no walkover) to these 3 and people go crazy ("hahaha no, he'd go 39-1 vs these at 22") lmao

Then why is he ahead all of them in the GS race? Are they stupid?
 
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TennisGrandpA said:
I am a Nadal fan but i have noticed many Nadal fans love him for non tennis related things like looks, style, charisma ,Aura etc lol. I never cared about these things lol
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I do! His tennis does something to me and it translates way beyond the tennis courts. Imagine someone winning 22 majors despite a chronic foot disease? The mental battles it must have taken out of him just to put on those shoes. Others would have given up.

I like Carlitos now but it will take him 30 majors for me to put him above Rafa.
 
Lots of people still have an idolized form of Federer.

Fact was, for all the Federer-Djokovic slam matches, only once did Federer beat in-form Djokovic and gain a championship, '12 WB.
 
Third Serve said:
He’d fare best against Sampras at the USO but I wouldn’t favor him at all. Form at this most recent USO looked promising but I need to see evidence of repeatability.
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Sampras of the 1993 US Open vs. Alcaraz of the 2025 US Open, 10 matches, who wins?
:unsure:
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Speaking truth is not bashing , I like player i don’t see them as perfect individual. I am not like other Fedal fans who wanna rob Novak off his rightful place as being best of big 3 , it’s injustice to deny him his right place. Nadal fakes injury , fake niceness are legit accusation , I’ll take Novak’s raw personality over fake Fedal PR Bs.
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You've stated on several occasions that Nadal was "second fiddle" to Djokovic, which isn't exactly respectful even though it's true. Nadal does not fake his injury. Given his style of play and exertion, injury should be expected from Nadal. Can he get strategic with the MTO's, of course. But if anything Novak is the one to pull the possum card, as he's done it more often and in more precise moments. Strategic bathroom break against Tsitsi was very questionable for example. Novak is very raw and honest, which I appreciate, but I have no doubt that Nadal is a nice person. Most Nadal haters try and poke holes into a facade they cannot see. The only times Nadal has ever shown an ounce of disrespect is usually at the net handshake, where he is cold, even by tour standards. Apart from that he is very consistent in his mannerisms.
 
UnderArmServeOP said:
Federer would've easily been the best Clay courter if Rafa didn't exist. Majority of the people agree on this. Even Djoko didn't have to face the Rafa that Fed consistently had to face.
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Djokovic would have been better anyways. That 1hbh was a gaping weakness. And Borg probably would have been better, adjusted for era differences.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Speaking truth is not bashing , I like player i don’t see them as perfect individual. I am not like other Fedal fans who wanna rob Novak off his rightful place as being best of big 3 , it’s injustice to deny him his right place. Nadal fakes injury , fake niceness are legit accusation , I’ll take Novak’s raw personality over fake Fedal PR Bs.
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The establishment robbed Nole for the sake of Fedal throughout their careers, and some Fedal fans still think it wasn’t enough. How spoiled. :eek:
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Pete won’t be the same player if he retool his game for baseline era and come up with a brand new Bh. You’re saying as if someone decided to improve his BH or FH or even serve to elite level it would be easy peasy. If it was that easy players with weak FH or BH or serve could develop it with ease lol. Anyway , your argument completely deals with hypothetical scenario where Pete abandon his play style to become an entirely different player. Pete owns 90s and his play style become obsolete thanks to poly and slower courts , that’s the only verifiable data we have at our disposable.
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Berrettini, Kyrgios, and Zverev all made slam finals in this magical molasses era.
Sampras with modern conditioning would do just fine.
 
UnderArmServeOP said:
Federer would've easily been the best Clay courter if Rafa didn't exist. Majority of the people agree on this. Even Djoko didn't have to face the Rafa that Fed consistently had to face.
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You don't want to remove the ONE strong rival he had during his "peak years" do you? We can agree it wouldn't exactly be fair to past greats if Federer got to have Roddick as his greatest challenge on clay as well?
 
Another manufactured thread where Federer “fans” only miss him because they need to come back to stat-pad. The most common theme is “regret” is he didn’t stay-pad throughout his career for bragging purposes now.
 
Impossible to say. Alcaraz has beaten the best of today’s field, consistently, on the biggest stages. Yes he lost to Djoko 24 twice, and he lost Wimbledon to Sinner, but he’s come out on top much more often.

Fed or Djok from the options listed would be his best chances. But I also think he’s a far superior player to Sampras so probably that one. Dunno
 
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4UTRMoutet said:
You've stated on several occasions that Nadal was "second fiddle" to Djokovic, which isn't exactly respectful even though it's true. Nadal does not fake his injury. Given his style of play and exertion, injury should be expected from Nadal. Can he get strategic with the MTO's, of course. But if anything Novak is the one to pull the possum card, as he's done it more often and in more precise moments. Strategic bathroom break against Tsitsi was very questionable for example. Novak is very raw and honest, which I appreciate, but I have no doubt that Nadal is a nice person. Most Nadal haters try and poke holes into a facade they cannot see. The only times Nadal has ever shown an ounce of disrespect is usually at the net handshake, where he is cold, even by tour standards. Apart from that he is very consistent in his mannerisms.
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Novak playing possum? You forgot it was Fed who started gamesmanship by taking MTO against Davydenko later Nadal perfected it , Novak took TO only when he was injured
 
BenBen said:
The amnesia is brutal. Wawrinka 2013 beats Alcaraz at AO and US open
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Apparently Carlitos didn’t win the most dominant USO in history for you to say that. With all due respect to Stanimal.

I’ll stand on moronic takes like this from now on :)

The strategy is clear though. We comparing the overall trajectory? Pick Nadal, he’s slightly ahead in Big Titles and omit f.e. Nole was just 1GS then.

Pick just a major’s performance? Then choose 08’ Nadal at RG, 06’ Roger at WB or 11’ Nole at AO. Whatever makes them seem unstoppable (like these were their averages til 23yo and not outliers; in fact bar Rafa they were out of age already just as Wawrinka in 2013, and we don’t know Carlitos true peak yet).

This is as cherry-picking / incomplete evidence / composition bias as it gets.
 
Jav said:
Apparently Carlitos didn’t win the most dominant USO in history for you to say that. With all due respect to Stanimal.

I’ll stand on moronic takes like this from now on :)

The strategy is clear though. We comparing the overall trajectory? Pick Nadal, he’s slightly ahead in Big Titles and omit f.e. Nole was just 1GS then.

Pick just a major’s performance? Then choose 08’ Nadal at RG, 06’ Roger at WB or 11’ Nole at AO. Whatever makes them seem unstoppable (like these were their averages til 23yo and not outliers; in fact bar Rafa they were out of age already just as Wawrinka in 2013, and we don’t know Carlitos true peak yet).

This is as cherry-picking / incomplete evidence / composition bias as it gets.
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Stan beats him at Wimbledon too to nostalgic drunkards. Old always is gold.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Novak playing possum? You forgot it was Fed who started gamesmanship by taking MTO against Davydenko later Nadal perfected it , Novak took TO only when he was injured
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Novak has always taken MTOs strategically and came back suddenly to win matches where he was supposedly injured. I suppose I did forget Fed pioneered the strategy, but Nadal's TOs are to be expected when you're fighting for every point like mp. I will agree that many of his TOs were strategic. Novak however is on a whole different level with MTOs and on occasion bathroom breaks. I would argue it was Novak who is the true GOAT of gamesmanship.
 
These type of debates always amuse me, and it's pretty much well known fact that the level of tennis only increases over time, go back and watch matches from the 80s and 90s and tell me the game was still played with the same level of pace and skill it is today.

Which is why debating the greatest of all time is kinda pointless, should just be greatest of their era.
 
KennyoFatoBoiyo said:
These type of debates always amuse me, and it's pretty much well known fact that the level of tennis only increases over time, go back and watch matches from the 80s and 90s and tell me the game was still played with the same level of pace and skill it is today.

Which is why debating the greatest of all time is kinda pointless, should just be greatest of their era.
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Agree, should be just greatest of their era and Sinner will be greatest of his era
 
KennyoFatoBoiyo said:
Hahaha well shall see. Right now Alcaraz is ahead in slams and masters despite being two years younger.

It will be an interesting battle for years to come.
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You got a point in previous post, I cringe hard when they say Borg will be beating Rafa on clay , i am like dude even aata tennis is faster than Borg era’s tennis and he will magically evolve into a new player to compete today and beat Nadal? He will Be lucky to be a top 20
 
TennisGrandpA said:
You got a point in previous post, I cringe hard when they say Borg will be beating Rafa on clay , i am like dude even aata tennis is faster than Borg era’s tennis and he will magically evolve into a new player to compete today and beat Nadal? He will Be lucky to be a top 20
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Agreed, the never ending flawed era vs era arguments.
 
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