If it were implemented in '10, Djokovic would've have changed his pattern then and there. He would have 6-0 record against Federer in their last 6 slam matches, and 3-0 in WB finals.
Alcaraz about new automatic shot clock rule: “I have never seen something like that in tennis"
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What I'd love to see is you on tennis court defeating more than keystrokes. You show you have little concept of what the high level competitive tennis entails. "pampered players" play while you are just watching from your sofa.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Yes, this thread is making me miss Federer, who was instantly ready to play and probably played at least 7 of the fastest service games in history. Carlos is no Federer…
Winners or Errors
Legend
Pot… kettle…
Yes, some players just are different than others. Roger was incredible. But we can't uniform tennis based on what he's done or what we wish to see based on our powers that often are just bias.
u'd think hmm?
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Had the rule been enforced for the last 20 years, Fed would have 30 slams. The 2012 AO final took 6 hours when 4 of those hours was towering off and ball bouncing.
I think that as he gets more and more successful, we will start to see some other not very attractive sides of his personality. Wanting to win more brings out the worse in people. However, I think this is normal for most people so we will have to accept it as part of the package overall.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Dont you think he is right? He doesnt serve slow at all, what happens is that he finishes a lot of points at the Net, so he is more affected by that, saying all the spanish are the same is a generalization that is not only borderline racist, but also shows ignorance, and im seeing a lot of that lately in this forum, just cut that.
a10best
Legend
This is a terrible rule because they purposely slowed down the surfaces which brought longer rallies.
This only brings more errors and low quality matches. It helps 1-2 ball bounce quick servers & hurts 8-15 bounce Zev and Djokovic
Let them towel off if necessary and start the serve clock as they ask for the balls.
Tennis is and never was a continuous running marathon for 4-10 min (estimating 6 to 30 secs per point and long deuce games), and then on change of serves you get a break?
This only brings more errors and low quality matches. It helps 1-2 ball bounce quick servers & hurts 8-15 bounce Zev and Djokovic
Let them towel off if necessary and start the serve clock as they ask for the balls.
Tennis is and never was a continuous running marathon for 4-10 min (estimating 6 to 30 secs per point and long deuce games), and then on change of serves you get a break?
Winners or Errors
Legend
Hmm, this thread. Longstanding rule not enforced because of celebrity? When there’s a long point and you’re playing, the next point is almost always won by the guy who is either in better shape or did less running. I’ve stood there, getting ready to serve on points like that, knowing my chances of winning the next point are low, but respecting my opponent enough to step up and hit that serve. Should it really be different for the pros? They are, after all, significantly more fit than rec players. Step up…. Managing your body is part of the game.
Dude bombed a 135 mph serve just yesterday. He has many issues with his serve but speed ain't one.
Also he's not Djokovic or Nadal for that matter. He's reasonably quick between points and even HE has issues with it. The rule is indeed ridiculous.
Yeah should this be the case the tour needs to speed up and the balls should become lighter.
Madness.
Clay lover
Legend
Guy expresses his honest opinion and the typical cavebrains here only know to use ad hominems based on racist generalizations.
Maybe be better and express WHY you disagree?
Maybe be better and express WHY you disagree?
Nope. I know exactly what it entails. I've spent my entire life playing sports and doing hard physical labor. I even did a Marathon way faster than the super fit Woz.
I rarely sit on a sofa.
Try again.
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Alcaraz whining perhaps is annoying, but still infinitely less grating than people complaining about players who like to take their time between serves. You have a plane to take after every tennis match you watch, sprawled all over your couch ? I know I don't. Cry me a river. It really doesn't matter, talk about a storm in a teacup.
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I'm just glad he's not from the Indian subcontinent at this point.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
What do you mean by racists.
The Spanish and Italian sports players have caught in doping a lot.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
People here are racist against Alcaraz? Then they must hate Rafa too. Are the racists on TTW just hating Spaniards, or do they hate other nationalities too?
Of course this question will remain unanswered because of the sheer idiocy of the accusation.
ojo rojo
Legend
He cheered up last night
Clay lover
Legend
No I am mostly just talking about the ad hominem of people saying Alcaraz has this complaint "because he is Spanish", which honestly affects the Spanish only as they are always generalized as dirtballers who cheat, but that cannot be further from the truth in Alcaraz's case. And last time I checked profiling someone based on his race IS racism.
Maybe try to comprehend what the speaker is trying to mean before calliing anyone an idiot.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Agree. The idea is almost too stupid for words imo. We will have people being forced to start serving before the crowd has even had a chance to settle down after a massive point. The drama of a point being started and played in deathly silence where the whole focus is on the court will be lessened.
It’s funny how pickleball is picking up more and more steam so tennis administrators are panicking and trying to change tennis and doing a lot of disasters at the moment. Bad ideas causing problems for the players. The players are literally grinding themselves into the ground athletically for our entertainment and they are being forced into even tougher playing conditions because of these new schemes and rules.
One thing I always loved about Serena. One ball, couple of bounces, and she served. No nonsense stalling.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
20 seconds to walk 39 feet?! Are they 90 years old with two bad knees?
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I could see that. Baseball has a fully implemented pitch clock now, but hitters are still allowed to call time out once per at-bat, and pitchers can step off the mound once too.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Def not a very rewatchable match, the court was slow enough as it is
Nappa
Professional
You seem racist. Stop.
Nappa
Professional
Its clear some TTW posters dont play tennis themselves whatsoever
Do you guys want to see a good tennis match or just a fast one?
Not really. Ok lets do the Tour de France. We want those bike guys at their best right? So during the mountain climbing portion we should really give them multiple breaks on the way up the hill. Cause man we want them to be able to bike up the hill without getting to tired cause they might not be at their best later on that day. This whole argument is idiotic. If you are to tired on your next point you lose the next point. Why this is a concept people cant accept in tennis as opposed to every other sport is ridiculous. You guys claim things like well they need to get back and rest they need that time. Ok then lets just give them as much time as they want, whenever they want. Cause we want them at their best. Its lunacy.
junior74
Bionic Poster
They used 70 minutes more time than the rules allows between points. 70 minutes!
Tandon: Length of Aussie Open final didn't add up
Would Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have played the longest Grand Slam final ever if they had to stick to the 20-second rule between points?
Spanish is a language, not a race. I thought race didn't exist these days anyway?
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Meh. Networks want to control time so they can sell more advertising time and make matches fit their own schedules for it. That said, remember when they started with shot clock changes and all the haters said Nadal wouldn't be able to cope and his game would fall apart, which didn't happen, of course. Same with everyone.
The sad part is it will change the atmosphere for the crowd and dynmaic of playing against and with it. Personally I think the current shot clock set up is fine.
The sad part is it will change the atmosphere for the crowd and dynmaic of playing against and with it. Personally I think the current shot clock set up is fine.
duaneeo
Legend
It would be interesting to find out how much time was spent on serving for every Nadalovic match. When you have both players taking half a minute on nearly every service point, that's a lot of time added to a match.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Not in this case. Tiring out your opponent is a fundamental strategy of sooooo many sports.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The second half of football matches tends to be where play "opens up". I think Zverev might know something about this in five-setters.
I play tennis myself multiple times a week. I don’t spent 30-40 seconds inspecting balls or endlessly bouncing them and I’m nowhere near as fit as professionals. Federer didn’t take a lot of time either so I’ve no sympathy whatsoever for serial complainers like Alcaraz, Nadal etc
PMChambers
Hall of Fame
Who or what instigates the end of the point? I doubt this is automated so this is likely 30s from end of point.
Time between points was always meant to be discretionary but got abused, however, that was due to umpiring not players. Players don't control to the time between points.
Time between points was always meant to be discretionary but got abused, however, that was due to umpiring not players. Players don't control to the time between points.
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Deleted member 810491
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Walking from the net to the back of the court, 2 footsteps per second would be 20 seconds for 39 feet.
15 seconds if they walk faster, but still it only leaves you 10 seconds to receive the balls, choose a good ball and do your ritual...
And automatic clock makes it impossible for a player to have a conversation with the chair umpire, which is obviously not fair.
And like I said, ball kids fumble the ball, plus toweling off will be impossible etc.
its all about the money and the networks showing the matches. just like they have the pitch clock in baseball now. i'm not saying it's right or wrong but that's the way it is.
octobrina10
Bionic Poster
Maybe you play tennis, but you don't watch pro tennis. If you watched it, you would have noticed that the ATP implemented the serve clock almost 6 years ago.
This. The only way to fix it is to put it directly in the trash, it's the worst thing that's been added to professional tennis in recent memory, pacing (and who's controlling the pace) are a part of the game.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Here are players serving and volleying. Look at points at 3:50, 4:50, 7:24, and 7:45. Federer manages to walk back from the net, pick the balls, and perform his entire serving routine in 13-14 seconds. Sampras does it in 18-20 seconds. At no point are they rushed.
The idea that 28 total seconds is not enough to serve is ludicrous.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
The tennis shot clock wouldn't be needed if we didn't have players who regularly exceed the time between points allotted by the rules
This is Nadal's most enduring legacy in tennis. He's wasted so much time that they were forced to adopt technology to enforce the rules
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