Alcaraz and Sinner have 4x the slams that 89-99 born generations

abmk said:
Murray+wawa+delpo+cilic got 8 slams vs those greedy dudes at their primes or close to it.

These 89-99 born worst ones couldn't even get 4 or 5 vs older versions of them.
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but no one in that generation failed doping test as closterboy did (and cilic)
 
abmk said:
Alcaraz has 5 slams
Sinner has 3 slams

89-99 born have 2 slams (1 Thiem and 1 Medvedev)

So Alcaraz+Sinner have 4x the slams that 89-99 born have.

Disgust or Discuss!
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As a Rafa supporter, those slams he won post 2017 were really weak ones. How can you win so many majors when you’re not half of what you were physically? I like the majors he won between 2005-2013. At least those were won against big names. Maybe that 2020 RG is fine, at least it was djokovic in the final. But Medvedev, thiem and Ruud are not Alcaraz and Sinner. But it is what it is.
 
They wouldn't if they had the big 3 lol, but no shade, they are also way better than the last couple gens so it's deserved.
 
ND-13 said:
This just resulted in the worst period in tennis history 2018-2023. This is the equivalent of 1939-45
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The fact you cannot include 2017 into that just shows extreme bitterness. But why would you, being the raging Federer fan that you are. The frustration is that Djokovic ended up winning the most slams, which makes it the worst period in tennis history, right?
 
Incognito said:
As a Rafa supporter, those slams he won post 2017 were really weak ones. How can you win so many majors when you’re not half of what you were physically? I like the majors he won between 2005-2013. At least those were won against big names. Maybe that 2020 RG is fine, at least it was djokovic in the final. But Medvedev, thiem and Ruud are not Alcaraz and Sinner. But it is what it is.
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chunk of those post 2017 RG were weak for sure even if nadal would still win 2 more RGs atleast after that (among 18-20)
 
Enceladus said:
That Nole & Rafa destroyed the self-confidence of Next Gen tennis players (especially Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas). Without self-confidence, Grand Slams cannot be won.
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but Murray wawa delpo cilic won 8 slams vs prime djokodal.

worst gens didn't really face prime nadal and only partly faced prime djokovic.

worst gens didn't have the game, the stamina or mental. anything. they purely sucked.
 
abmk said:
2019 is stronger than any year post 2019. but yeah, nothing much different b/w 22 and 24/25.
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Yeah 2019 was a fairly average season but i've seen a lot worse. Fail to see how 2024 or 25 bring to the table any performance close to that of Djokovic in Australia or Nadal in Paris that year. Or even Federer at Wimbledon honestly.
 
abmk said:
but Murray wawa delpo cilic won 8 slams vs prime djokodal.

worst gens didn't really face prime nadal and only partly faced prime djokovic.

worst gens didn't have the game, the stamina or mental. anything. they purely sucked.
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Medvedev would be today 4-time or 5-time Grand Slam champion if he had won the AO 2022 final. Zverev would also be a different player today if he had won the USO 2020. These losses have fundamentally affected their self-confidence and confidence in their game. They have created a block from which they cannot escape.

Here I would like to use Sampras' comment, who said that the fundamental impetus for his career was the victory over Lendl at the 1990 US Open, and in the end he won the entire event and it was his first Grand Slam title. What would Sampras' career have looked like if Lendl had turned their match around?

You write that the Next Gen players didn't face prime versions of Djoker and Rafa, but they faced Djokodal' aura, their monstrous results.

Advances in sports medicine and immense discipline have allowed Djokodal to "exploit" Next Gen players about Grand Slam titles.
 
Enceladus said:
Medvedev would be today 4-time or 5-time Grand Slam champion if he had won the AO 2022 final. Zverev would also be a different player today if he had won the USO 2020. These losses have fundamentally affected their self-confidence and confidence in their game. They have created a block from which they cannot escape.

Here I would like to use Sampras' comment, who said that the fundamental impetus for his career was the victory over Lendl at the 1990 US Open, and in the end he won the entire event and it was his first Grand Slam title. What would Sampras' career have looked like if Lendl had turned their match around?

You write that the Next Gen players didn't face prime versions of Djoker and Rafa, but they faced Djokodal' aura, their monstrous results.

Advances in sports medicine and immense discipline have allowed Djokodal to "exploit" Next Gen players about Grand Slam titles.
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Zverev lost vs Thiem by choking big time, not even vs big 3. So enough with the excuses.

there is a good chance med would've won 0 slams in other eras. for example any time between 2004-15 or 80-95.

safin didn't give a **** about sampras' aura in USO 00, neither did hewitt in USO 01. both had the game also
sampras himself didn't give a **** about lendl's aura in USO 90 and had the game.

89-99 born don't have game or stamina or mental strength. They SUCK.
 
Racquet_smash said:
Yeah 2019 was a fairly average season but i've seen a lot worse. Fail to see how 2024 or 25 bring to the table any performance close to that of Djokovic in Australia or Nadal in Paris that year. Or even Federer at Wimbledon honestly.
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fed at Wim 19 vs Alcaraz in Wim 24 SF/F or RG 25 SF/F or Sinner in USO 24/AO 25 is close enough/debatable.

but yeah definitely not at AO 19 level from djoko or RG 19 from nadal
 
Racquet_smash said:
Why would 2024 and 25 be considered stronger years than say 2019 or 2022? The only difference is Nadal and Djokovic being replaced by Sinner and Alcaraz and i don't see them as better than their old versions. The rest of the field is mostly the same.
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To be fair I think you have a point, for me it just feels more natural to see two younger guys dominating again.
 
comes down to just reliability/physicality more than anything.

Med had 2 spectacular chokes, Tsitsipas had one, Zverev let Alcaraz off the hook. Would actually be 6 vs 6 if you flip those.
 
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ojo rojo said:
Thats mainly down to 3 greedy dudes born 81-87
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Fedeerer inflated only 3 slams while Djokovic inflated 12 slams in a weak era. Being 6 years older than Djokovic who obviously benefitted the most.
12 of Noles 24 slams were after his 30th birthday, a perfect timing at the period of the inflation era.
It's testament of the the depth and strength of the 90s born players were a complete joke.
 
metsman said:
comes down to just reliability/physicality more than anything.

Med had 2 spectacular chokes, Tsitsipas had one, Zverev let Alcaraz off the hook. Would actually be 6 vs 6 if you flip those.
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But Meddy is 29.25, Zeddy is 28.25, and Sissy is 26.75, whereas Juice is 23.75 and Calf is 22.25, so it wouldn't be at all likely to end even.
 
A table with some data which might be of interest:
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if you take Sinner/Alcaraz out of the equation, I mean theres no doubt the Med/Tststipas/Zverev/Thiem in their prime generation would win just as many slams as Carlos/Sinner have now. I mean Why wouldn't they? Djokovic is on his literally last leg and plays only like 30 pecrent of the season now. Fedal are gone

Who stands in their way? Draper? LOL. He's a bigger clown than they are
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Unfortunately for you it all still counts in the record books. :p
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Quality wins, impressive wins count too. Context helps us understand the broader circumstances and better discernment.

Without context, would you agree that Connors 109 titles is better/greater than Nole 100 titles ?
Didn't think so
 
It's crazy how good and Alcaraz and Sinner are.

It's crazy how good you have to be to beat them both back to back in straights without dropping more than 3 games per set


 
TMF said:
Quality wins, impressive wins count too. Context helps us understand the broader circumstances and better discernment.

Without context, would you agree that Connors 109 titles is better/greater than Nole 100 titles ?
Didn't think so
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Look at the context on that board of Wimbledon winners. Incredible context telling us which titles matters more and which are asterisked.

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ojo rojo said:
Of course not entirely but those 3 have won a combined 27 slams after the age of 30. That’s nearly 7 years worth of available slams during the era in question. Certainly made for slimmer pickings
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They choked 4 slam finals from 2-0 up and haven’t won any slams after 2023. That’s why this is a myth.
 
ojo rojo said:
Didn’t one of those guys I’m referring to win 3 of the slams in 2023? Mythological indeed
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and that's the joke.

35.5 yo old to 36.5 yo old djoko winning 3 slams with a meh level of play. federer played significantly better in 2015 (at 33.5 to 34.5) and he won 0 slams.

and mike said after 2023.
 
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