Alcaraz HOPES to meet Djokovic in the final

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I agree that Alcaraz would want to face anyone but in these circumstances it just rings a little hollow because Djokovic is not what he once was on clay or anywhere really
Djokovic always has the freedom to pack it in and quit the sport if he doesn't want to lose to young guys.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Why are some posters giving Alcaraz pushback? He said nothing that was cocky, derogatory or inflammatory. He wants the challenge of playing the best players available.

For those saying/implying that Carlos waited to play lesser versions of Novak or Rafa, calling that ludicrous would be giving it way too much credence. Carlos just turned 20 last week. And if he says anything to even suggest that Novak or Rafa were past their prime, could you imagine the firestorm over that?
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Why are some posters giving Alcaraz pushback? He said nothing that was cocky, derogatory or inflammatory. He wants the challenge of playing the best players available.

For those saying/implying that Carlos waited to play lesser versions of Novak or Rafa, calling that ludicrous would be giving it way too much credence. Carlos just turned 20 last week. And if he says anything to even suggest that Novak or Rafa were past their prime, could you imagine the firestorm over that?

Of course it's not his fault but the reality is that if he struggles with the ancient versions of Nadal and Djokovic (as he did last season), we can be certain that prime Nadal and Djokovic would crush him like a bug.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Why is Alcaraz so triggering on this board?

I think some people like confidence from players who don't really threaten the status quo (Zed/Kyrgios).

When its coming from one of the most in form players around atm it hits different.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Of course it's not his fault but the reality is that if he struggles with the ancient versions of Nadal and Djokovic (as he did last season), we can be certain that prime Nadal and Djokovic would crush him like a bug.
You play who you play when you play them. Period.
How do you know that 19-year-old Alcaraz was at his own prime? Odds are he wasn't, and Novak and Rafa were clearly the top players on tour when he played them back to back.

To be clear, I'm not predicting that his career will be even half as great as any of The Big 3, but why can't people just try to enjoy, or at least appreciate, what he's doing...already? And he has a winner's mindset, along with everything else.
 
He wants the challenge of playing the best players available.
the interesting part is that he and Ferrero have both noted that it's not challenge for challenge's sake (i.e. generic bravado), but to push him to come up with new solutions and develop his game against players who've seen everything, as he did in the deciding set tiebreak in Madrid against Djokovic

fantastic article about said match: https://onthelinetennis.substack.com/p/issue79
 
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Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Of course it's not his fault but the reality is that if he struggles with the ancient versions of Nadal and Djokovic (as he did last season), we can be certain that prime Nadal and Djokovic would crush him like a bug.
Alcaraz would beat prime Nadal and prime Djokovic too.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Carlos is going to get another 20-30% better over the next 3-4 years. He'll be stronger, more powerful, and have an even more developed game.
Nadal and Djokovic are super lucky that Alcaraz hasn't reached his prime yet. He's just coming out of his teens.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
6 years back was 2017. Roger ran away from the fight on clay. It was a copout. He maintained his reputation.

Novak isn't like fed. He will gladly go on tough battles with players 10/15 years younger than him.
Finally since he's had no tough battles from young players in general.
 

Razer

Legend
Old people get replaced by young people everywhere, always.
In sports and in life.
I'm not sure I'd refer to Djokovic as a grandpa just yet considering he won the AO back in January.

Nadal is a grandpa in tennis terms :-D

Or maybe Nadal is just playing a prank like those youtube videos where young elite athletes dress up as old bearded men and school some amateurs in basketball, muscle ups etc etc ..... we will know this french open how much juice Nadal has left, if he destroys Alcaraz then we can safely assume he is winning RGs even at 40.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Nadal is a grandpa in tennis terms :-D
Or maybe Nadal is just playing a prank like those youtube videos where young elite athletes dresses up as old bearded men and school some amateurs is basketball, muscle ups etc etc ..... we will know this french open how much juice Nadal has left, if he destroys Alcaraz then we can safely assume he is winning RGs even at 40.
Nadal has only played 2 matches in 2023. To go into the French Open completely cold and with no match play and winning it would probably make him the undisputed GOAT. Even if Djokovic was to win the Slam race. :-D
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
You play who you play when you play them. Period.
How do you know that 19-year-old Alcaraz was at his own prime? Odds are he wasn't, and Novak and Rafa were clearly the top players on tour when he played them back to back.

To be clear, I'm not predicting that his career will be even half as great as any of The Big 3, but why can't people just try to enjoy, or at least appreciate, what he's doing...already? And he has a winner's mindset, along with everything else.

I can appreciate great players and be honest about them at the same time.
 

Indigo

Professional
20 year old player challenging 36 year old player how is that a thing at all? One is young in his best years while the other is tour veteran with 20 years on pro tour who is almost at the end of career due to age and many injuries. It's much better for Alcaraz to find someone of his own age and caliber then to try to dominate against old players and tour veterans with as many years on tour as Alcaraz full age. Simply not comparable and not in the same league, generation and universe at all.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
20 year old player challenging 36 year old player how is that a thing at all? One is young in his best years while the other is tour veteran with 20 years on pro tour who is almost at the end of career due to age and many injuries. It's much better for Alcaraz to find someone of his own age and caliber then to try to dominate against old players and tour veterans with as many years on tour as Alcaraz full age. Simply not comparable and not in the same league, generation and universe at all.
Normally, it wouldn't even happen, but the longevity of the Big 3 has been outstanding.

Imagine Sampras playing Djokovic or Wilander playing Federer since these are the equivalents of Alcaraz playing Nadal and Djokovic.
 

Razer

Legend
Normally, it wouldn't even happen, but the longevity of the Big 3 has been outstanding.

Imagine Sampras playing Djokovic or Wilander playing Federer since these are the equivalents of Alcaraz playing Nadal and Djokovic.

It is the great age shift, if Sampras in this era born in 1987 then he would have won US open 2022 beating Alcaraz en route.
 

Enceladus

Legend
Normally, it wouldn't even happen, but the longevity of the Big 3 has been outstanding.

Imagine Sampras playing Djokovic or Wilander playing Federer since these are the equivalents of Alcaraz playing Nadal and Djokovic.
Advances in sports medicine, rehabilitation and fitness have helped a lot Big 3. Previous champions didn't have this advantages and therefore finished earlier.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Advances in sports medicine, rehabilitation and fitness have helped a lot Big 3. Previous champions didn't have this advantages and therefore finished earlier.
Exactly.

But I doubt it will happen with the current players outside possibly Alcaraz.
 

Razer

Legend
Advances in sports medicine, rehabilitation and fitness have helped a lot Big 3. Previous champions didn't have this advantages and therefore finished earlier.

He is still living in the past when primes ended at 27, careers ended at 30.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Rafans shouldn't even talk. The same year that Carlito benefitted from non Djokovic USOpen, their Nadal literally got luckiest shot ever when Novak was deported. They shouldn't talk about waiting.
Nadal had to wait for what 13 years to win another AO.
13* years; * because Djokovic wasn't there! Nadal would have to wait forever to win Wimbledon again.

Age is not an issue with Djokovic. When he's #1 or 2, he's supposed to be competitive with anyone in the world, on any surface!
 
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nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
So Carlos says he hopes to meet Novak in the final, resulting in a thread triggering outrage from some. Meanwhile Djokovic also says he hopes to meet Alcaraz in the final, and it doesn’t warrant a mention, let alone it’s own thread.

:unsure:
Djokovic is the goat. Why would it trigger an outrage
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
Oh wow. Need to watch the replay this evening. Did Alcaraz play bad?

Actually, losing early might be a good thing. He can rest, reflect and prepare for the FO. It would've dented his confidence. But it's always a good thing to keep him in check and keep that fire burning than knowing that you own them all.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
Except Djokovic is not the GOAT. I’m sure you get my point although your reply is rather to be expected given your history
Djokovic is not just a goat. He is the GOAT. What are you talking about ? Did he not beat your feddy time and time and time again.
 

CoolCoolCool

Hall of Fame
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DogInSpace

Semi-Pro
When Nadal is facing player ranked 135 he is saying that he needs to focus on the match because this player can be dangerous.

When Alcaraz is facing player ranked 135 he is already choosing final rival for himself.

Lol.
 
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