Alcaraz is 3-0 against Sinner this year and has won 5 of the last 7 matches

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I don't know how anyone can defend Sinner at this point anymore. He's like 62-2 vs the tour and 0-3 vs the only player that matters, which is Alcaraz. 2 losses on HC too when Sinner has had one of the best HC seasons ever (by default by winning the AO and USO).

Sinner had a lot of chances to close out Beijing too and failed. To me Alcaraz has a level in him that Sinner will never reach, he's 2 years younger and further away from his peak than Sinner is. The moment he starts getting more consistent results it's lights out for Sinner.

Beijing will sting Sinner and at this point he could be developing a small mental block against Alcaraz.
 
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Krish872007

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I wouldn't say they are worlds apart though - they can both find ways to make each other uncomfortable on the court. 2 Slams each for the year. Sinner more consistent in beating the players he is supposed to beat

The kicker is that Alcaraz is the younger one and already leads in Slam count, title count and H2H. It's still too early to tell which way the rivalry is going to go (who is actually closer to their peak? It's not just age-determined), but I agree that Alcaraz in top form has that extra bit of flair.
 
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tennis_pro said:
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I don't know how anyone can defend Sinner at this point anymore. He's like 62-2 vs the tour and 0-3 vs the only player that matters, which is Alcaraz. 2 losses on HC too when Sinner has had one of the best HC seasons ever (by default by winning the AO and USO).

Sinner had a lot of chances to close out Beijing too and failed. To me Alcaraz has a level in him that Sinner will never reach, he's 2 years younger and further away from his peak than Sinner is. The moment he starts getting more consistent results it's lights out for Sinner.
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I just feel blessed as a tennis fan to have these 2 guys carrying the torch after the era of big 3 coming to an end.
 
ghostofMecir

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Sinner deserves a lot of praise for his dominance over the tour and he is more dominant on tour relative to the entire field compared to Carlos when you look at it from a match to match, point to point basis, but you are right that Carlos has something that Sinner cannot seem to reach. Even with all that, when they play against each other, there’s little separation because of how solid Sinner is on serve and return, on offense and defense, and then how all around brilliant Carlos is on offense and defense.

When they play each other, the matches are always close because Sinner is too good on both serve and return and feom both wings to dominate for Carlos since Carlos doesn’t have a domimant serve and has to play a constant high gear from the baseline in serve games. This leads to close matches. Take a look at the winner’s dominance ratios in each match—there are no blowout beatdowns by either player. It is really rare that two players who are in the same generation play 10+ times without at least one match that any close but not between these two due to the aforementioned reasons.

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In any case, this is right now really the only matchup that matters on your—all the other matches look like undercard, b side, etc., extras.
 
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NeutralFan

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Carlos won a match in 3 sets by a thin margin when he should have comfortably won in 2sets, His problem remains the same , dumb shot selection, lack of point construction and going too much while being up 30-0, 40-15,40-30. he's supremely talented and can break all records but he's still very raw and needs a better coach and learn some basic which is hindering him from dominating the tour. Can he do that? let's see.
 
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NeutralFan said:
Carlos won a match in 3 sets by a thin margin when he should have comfortably won in 2sets, His problem remains the same , dumb shot selection, lack of point construction and going too much while being up 30-0, 40-15,40-30. he's supremely talented and can break all records but he's still very raw and needs a better coach and learn some basic which is hindering him from dominating the tour. Can he do that? let's see.
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Please don't. We don't him going Roddick 2001-2004 to Roddick 2005+

He's incosistent and has dumb shot selection, but it keeps working for him. Most of his losses this year are due to him simply not playing well for whatever reasons. When he's on he's insanely tough to beat. He's 9-2 in big tournament finals (including 4-0 in Slam finals) and it took superhuman efforts from Djokovic to beat him twice. Overall he's also 16-5 in finals and all of them except the Olympics finals (which was super close too) went to a deciding set. It just proves that when he's on you need something special to take him down. Sinner doesn't have that, he's just good at beating mugs.

And people need a reminder that he's still only 21. He's arguably the best 19-21 year ever, but I don't think he has reached his prime yet.
 
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tennis_pro said:
Please don't. We don't him going Roddick 2001-2004 to Roddick 2005+

He's incosistent and has dumb shot selection, but it keeps working for him. Most of his losses this year are due to him simply not playing well for whatever reasons. When he's on he's insanely tough to beat.
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Keeps working but for how long? Big 3 were big 3, because they would stream roll players , Carlos keeps gifting games and sets to the mugs like Tiafoe, T Paul and many more. I am sorry but sooner it will catch him up. Even at RG Sinner took him to 5, his inability to close sets and break points on HC has resulted in poor slam performances on HC . If you're a fan i feel bad for you since you're in for a tough ride and Sinner will win almost all HC slams since he has better understanding of modern tennis untill Carlos addresses his flaws.
 
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TheWizardFromElPalmar

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Alcaraz is way more talented physically and technically than the cheater it's kinda obvious..I guess the ginger needs more clostebol to beat Carlitos...Ban that fraud for 2 years at least Pls..I cant stand his ugly pale face and those Ostrich Legs ,... there is no way than a guy with that kind of legs and muscles (he has no muscles even on his thighs) can run that much without being more doped than Lance Armstrong...**** the ATP.

Alcaraz might be the best player I have ever seen play, but his ****ing shot selection are still awful, it's not normal than he is not improving in that area..might be the time to change staff, Ferrero seems kinda useless tactically...today he should have won in 2 sets.
 
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Alcaraz started using in 2024 the Nadal strategy:
Step 1: Only play his main rival on his best surface (clay, slow hard court Indian wells).
Step 2: By beating his main rival on preferred surface, get a mental edge.
Step 3: when the mental edge is big enough, play main rival on other surfaces. Win due to mental edge.
 
Sport

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Is it wrong if I equally support Alcaraz and Sinner despite being Spaniard?

I guess the most "normal" thing is to support the player of your nation. Yeah, probably I lean slightly (very slightly indeed) more toward Carlos for that reason, but overall I've almost zero preference for one or the other. I just enjoy every time they hit the court, as they're both equally spectacular and incredibly talented.

One things is for sure: the present and future of tennis is safe at their hands.
 
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NeutralFan said:
Keeps working but for how long? Big 3 were big 3, because they would stream roll players , Carlos keeps gifting games and sets to the mugs like Tiafoe, T Paul and many more. I am sorry but sooner it will catch him up. Even at RG Sinner took him to 5, his inability to close sets and break points on HC has resulted in poor slam performances on HC . If you're a fan i feel bad for you since you're in for a tough ride and Sinner will win almost all HC slams since he has better understanding of HC slams untill Carlos addresses his flaws.
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So he should address his winning strategy and play more safe when it literally keeps working for him 90% of the time? As I said the only times he lost in big finals was against Djokovic who had to find his highest gear.

Even looking at his season as a whole I don't think he could've done a lot better at this point. At the AO he just played awful 2 sets and had too much catching up to do before losing to Zverev, then he had some 250/500 losses to Jarry and Monteiro (a retirement) where he looked disintersted, played a mediocre match against an in-form Dimitrov in Miami, then lost to Rublev in Madrid (but won the French), lost to Draper in Queen's (but won Wimbledon), lost a close match against Djokovic in Olympics, which affected him mentally (losses to Monfils and van de Zandschulp). 3-0 against Sinner this season who's done even better. The season isn't over yet, he can easily win 1 or 2 of Shanghai/Paris/WTF. That's his season at 21.
 
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NeutralFan said:
his inability to close sets and break points on HC has resulted in poor slam performances on HC
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First of all, he's already won the USO in 2022 (beating Sinner in that crazy match), missed the 2023 AO due to injury and at the 2023 USO lost a close match against Medvedev who is no mug on HC. That's him at 19-20.

This year he just played a stinker of 2 sets at the AO and had too much catching up to do, it happens even to the best players. At the USO I feel he was still mentally affected after the Olympics and only now in Beijing it seems like he's finally back to his best.

I would way until after the 2025 USO to judge his HC level.
 
NeutralFan

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tennis_pro said:
So he should address his winning strategy and play more safe when it literally keeps working for him 90% of the time? As I said the only times he lost in big finals was against Djokovic who had to find his highest gear.

Even looking at his season as a whole I don't think he could've done a lot better at this point. At the AO he just played awful 2 sets and had too much catching up to do before losing to Zverev, then he had some 250/500 losses to Jarry and Monteiro (a retirement) where he looked disintersted, played a mediocre match against an in-form Dimitrov in Miami, then lost to Rublev in Madrid (but won the French), lost to Draper in Queen's (but won Wimbledon), lost a close match against Djokovic in Olympics, which affected him mentally (losses to Monfils and van de Zandschulp). 3-0 against Sinner this season who's done even better. The season isn't over yet, he can easily win 1 or 2 of Shanghai/Paris/WTF. That's his season at 21.
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Improving his game is not doing away with winning strategy, he can work on his shot selection, point construction and shot tolerance ( 3 things which reward modern tennis most) Noone is asking him to become a pusher lol , he can have a perfect blend of aggression, defense, shot selection and high percentage like Fed.
 
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To be 0-3 down in a championship final set tiebreaker against the #1 after a marathon 3 hour 20+ minute match and then win 7 points straight to win the title is GOAT level stuff.

Alcaraz is the future of men's tennis.
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"GOAT level". Once again, the wild attempt to even suggest Alcaraz has any form of a recognized GOAT level of play is absurd. He could not beat an older player closer to retirement than not at the Olympics.

Yeah, real GOAT level skill. Heh!
 
TheWizardFromElPalmar

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Sport said:
Is it wrong if I equally support Alcaraz and Sinner despite being Spaniard?

I guess the most "normal" thing is to support the player of your nation. Yeah, probably I lean slightly (very slightly indeed) more toward Carlos for that reason, but overall I've almost zero preference for one or the other. I just enjoy every time they hit the court, as they're both equally spectacular and incredibly talented.

One things is for sure: the present and future of tennis is safe at their hands.
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I better die than support a cheater than would be already banned if Gaudenzi, Massimo Calvelli and the Italian Mafia were not leading the ATP right now.
 
tennis_pro

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NeutralFan said:
Improving his game is not doing away with winning strategy, he can work on his shot selection, point construction and shot tolerance ( 3 things which reward modern tennis most) Noone is asking him to become a pusher lol , he can have a perfect blend of aggression, defense, shot selection and high percentage like Fed.
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I don't think it's that black and white with him. He's had many random (not important) losses this year, but outside of that the matches he should've won in bigger tournaments weren't due to bad shot selection I think. Again, at the AO I think he just started the match poorly and couldn't catch up, post Olympics I think he was mentally affected with that loss to Djokovic and only now has started to regain some good form.

Honestly, I don't think he's got that much stuff to work on, maybe introduce more mashed potatoes kind of winning against lesser players and work more to preserve his body better and avoid injuries. Whatever he's doing tennis wise with his racquet is literally the best he could possibly do at this stage.
 
Zardoz7/12

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Alcaraz has a marginally higher ceiling but Sinner is more consistent out of the 52 weeks.

Sinner unlocked how to win big titles and slams, he needs to unlock beating Alcaraz consistently.
 
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Carlos needs to mature in strategy and points construction. In the last 12 months he got beaten in all his hard court matches (0:5) against the matured 33+ yo guys Djokovic and Dimitrov. He even lost to the half-retired 38 yo showman Monfils in Cincy less than 2 months ago…
 
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and he was 0:3 in the deciding tiebreaker when he won spectacular 7 straight balls to take this last match in Beijing. The issue with Alcaraz, unlike with Sinner, is that Carlos can not only play higher than the God but also lower than the top 100 ATP players occassionally.

By the way, I thought that Carlos was cheating with his shoes issue at 0:2 today.
 
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