Alcaraz is 3-0 in slam finals on Djokovic's preferred Surfaces.

[Turning Pro]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs 33,34 and 38 year Old erer, then how does it explain Alcaraz being 3-0 vs prime Djokovic who had just reached his 5th and 6th Wimbledon finals in a row in 2023,2024 and also Djokovic who had NEVER lost an Australian Open final before Sunday and has a 90% win record there.

Shoe, other foot.

Both on Djokovic's best surfaces. Alcaraz is simply a better player and is 7 to 1 vs Djokovic in slams at the same age. All them records will fall.

Now everyone please stop talking about Djokovic's age when he loses, once he's on the court, he's on the court. I mean he's the alleged 'longevity' GOAT right, so which is it?



P.S.

We know know what peak Fed would do if the age gaps had merged.

 

[Hitman]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs 33,34 and 38 year Old erer, then how does it explain Alcaraz being 3-0 vs prime Djokovic who had just reached his 5th and 6th Wimbledon finals in a row in 2023,2024 and also Djokovic who had NEVER lost an Australian Open final before Sunday and has a 90% win record there.

Shoe, other foot.

Both on Djokovic's best surfaces. Alcaraz is simply a better player and is 7 to 1 vs Djokovic in slams at the same age. All them records will fall.

Now everyone please stop talking about Djokovic's age when he loses, once he's on the court, he's on the court. I mean he's the alleged 'longevity' GOAT right, so which is it?



P.S.

We know know what peak Fed would do if the age gaps had merged.

What's also embarrassing is that Djokovic is actually 2-0 against Alcaraz on PC

 

[CoolCoolCool]

"Prime Djokovic" makes the rage-baiting a bit too obvious.

 

[Gazelle]

What's also embarrassing is that Djokovic is actually 2-0 against Alcaraz on PC

None of those were proper BO5 matches, so no comparison.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs 33,34 and 38 year Old erer, then how does it explain Alcaraz being 3-0 vs prime Djokovic who had just reached his 5th and 6th Wimbledon finals in a row in 2023,2024 and also Djokovic who had NEVER lost an Australian Open final before Sunday and has a 90% win record there.

Shoe, other foot.

Both on Djokovic's best surfaces. Alcaraz is simply a better player and is 7 to 1 vs Djokovic in slams at the same age. All them records will fall.

Now everyone please stop talking about Djokovic's age when he loses, once he's on the court, he's on the court. I mean he's the alleged 'longevity' GOAT right, so which is it?



P.S.

We know know what peak Fed would do if the age gaps had merged.

Let's look into the details, shall we?
2023 Wimbledon final: OK, fine, Alcaraz won this one fair and square. Well done to him! Federer at the same age as Djokovic here won Wimbledon without losing a set. Advantage Federer.
2024 Wimbledon final: Federer at the same age as Djokovic here lost to K. Anderson of all people. You could argue that he had a wrist injury, but then, again, Djokovic was coming back from a knee surgery. Not sure how one is much worse than the other. Tie.
2026 AO final: Federer at the same age got steamrolled in straight sets by a 33 year old Djokovic who is < the current Sincaraz. Advantage Djokovic.

 

[Hitman]

None of those were proper BO5 matches, so no comparison.

I'm not comparing, I'm just making a statement that it is also embarrassing to lose both matches on PC.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Hey if Djokovic can boast a 3-0 finals record at Wimby vs 33,34 and 38 year Old erer, then how does it explain Alcaraz being 3-0 vs prime Djokovic who had just reached his 5th and 6th Wimbledon finals in a row in 2023,2024 and also Djokovic who had NEVER lost an Australian Open final before Sunday and has a 90% win record there.

Also, don't worry, mate. Any tennis fan with an ounce of conscience (and a brain cell) doesn't take that H2H so seriously. We all know that Federer is the Wimbledon king.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Both on Djokovic's best surfaces.

A 22-year-old Nadal beat prime Federer in multiple GS finals at Federer's best Slams: Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009.
At least when Djokovic was losing to a 22-year-old Alcaraz, he was far past his prime. (and no, I do not consider any iteration of Djokovic after AO 2019 to be truly "prime" at all in terms of the raw level, because vulturing against a super weak field can create one hell of an illusion)

Alcaraz is simply a better player and is 7 to 1 vs Djokovic in slams at the same age. All them records will fall.

So? Tennis is a genuinely unpredictable sport. You really can't foresee the future with such certainty.
Federer right before his 24th birthday had 8 Slams (at the end of Wimbledon 2006). Djokovic right before his 24th birthday (before RG 2011) had 2. The Slam count gap year here is the same.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

The only fully "satisfying" Grand Slam final victory I will give Alcaraz here is the Wimbledon 2023 final. That was genuinely a great match from him. And he was just 20 years old too. Hats off to him. But even then, you guys should know that any version of Djokovic at Wimbledon post-2018 would not win a single Wimbledon title in any remotely credible field.

Wimbledon 2024, I cannot really give full credit, because Djokovic was recovering from a knee surgery. And one could even argue that he was conserving energy for the Olympic Games, which he, at that time, desired to win far more than another Wimbledon title.

AO 2026, I, again, cannot give full credit, because Djokovic was evidently gassed out af after his grueling SF match against Sinner. At almost 39 years of age, recovery was going to be extremely challenging – incomparably more so than for a 23 year old ATG.

 

[Pheasant]

Alcaraz is an ATG player in his prime. There’s no shame in losing to a player like this in slam finals; especially when you are 36, 37, and 38 years old. This doesn’t hurt Djoker’s case.

 

[Bambooman]

It's age.

 

[Eren]

Wasn't it obvious that Djokovic primarily won those Wimbledon finals against Federer because Djokovic had the age advantage? Anyone with half a working brain cell knows that.

Having said that, for those Djoko-****s it's an eye-opener to see their king, the prophesised son of Zeus be utterly owned by Alcaraz.

In their words, "how convenient that Djokovic declined at the exact moment Alcaraz arrived. He was winning majors and reaching finals in 2023, 2024. Suddenly, lost his prime. GAS, great age shift". What happened to that? The GAS extended to the exact timing of Alcaraz's arrival, lmao.

It was fun while it lasted. This entire experience was humbling for Djokovic tbf. Wimbledon 2024 and especially AO 2026 (where he never lost in the final) were significant blows.

Being down 0-3 in Slam finals, only being able to push just-turned 20-year old Alcaraz to 5 sets on a court you were unbeaten at for a decade, being the defending champion against a kid who played his first ever grass final...

The other 2 slam finals were complete and utter destruction. Both Wimbledon 2024 and AO 2026 were finals where I didn't even believe Djokovic could come close to winning a set, let alone the match. Luckily for Djokovic, he won the first set at the AO before the destruction began.

Would love to see another Slam final between the two, given that both are healthy and not injured.

 

[DropWideShot]

Both on Djokovic's best surfaces.

thats the distinction between #1 and #2, Djoker excelled on every surface versus just one.

 

[4UTRMoutet]

If Sinner don't step up, Raz is primed to take it all.

 

[Eren]

Alcaraz is an ATG player in his prime. There’s no shame in losing to a player like this in slam finals; especially when you are 36, 37, and 38 years old. This doesn’t hurt Djoker’s case.

Since some his fans believed age was never a factor during all of his Slam final wins against Federer, it definitely hurts his case, unless we resort to hypocrisy and the use of double standards.

 

[junkieballer]

Wawrinka is also 2-0 against Djokovic in Slam finals, but doesn't make Wawrinka better than Djokovic.

Slam titles: Djokovic 24, Alcaraz 7
Slam finals: Djokovic 38, Alcaraz 8
weeks at #1: Djokovic 428, Alcaraz 58
years at #1: Djokovic 8, Alcaraz 2
YEC: Djokovic 7, Alcaraz 0
Masters: Djokovic 40, Alcaraz 8
Olympics: Djokovic 1, Alcaraz 0

 

[junkieballer]

Federer's form in the Slam finals he lost to Djokovic is very different from Djokovic's form in the Slam finals he lost to Alcaraz.

Sets won/lost before the final by Federer:

2014 Wimbledon: 18-1 (94.7%)
2015 Wimbledon: 18-1 (94.7%)
2015 US Open: 18-0 (100.0%)
2019 Wimbledon: 19-3 (86.4%)

Sets won/lost before the final by Djokovic

2023 Wimbledon - 18-2 (90.0%)
2024 Wimbledon - 15-2 (88.2%)
2026 Australian Open - 12-4 (75.0%)

 

[Eren]

Wawrinka is also 2-0 against Djokovic in Slam finals, but doesn't make Wawrinka better than Djokovic.

Slam titles: Djokovic 24, Alcaraz 7
Slam finals: Djokovic 38, Alcaraz 8
weeks at #1: Djokovic 428, Alcaraz 58
years at #1: Djokovic 8, Alcaraz 2
YEC: Djokovic 7, Alcaraz 0
Masters: Djokovic 40, Alcaraz 8
Olympics: Djokovic 1, Alcaraz 0

What is your point lol?

Djokovic is 3-1 at Wimbeldon against Federer. According to clown-djoko-t-a-rds, it means Djoko is a better grass courter.

My point is, nope, he isn't.

You're using my my argument, namely H2H isn't necessarily a huge factor in deciding who is better.

 

[Eren]

Federer's form in the Slam finals he lost to Djokovic is very different from Djokovic's form in the Slam finals he lost to Alcaraz.

Sets won/lost before the final by Federer:

2014 Wimbledon: 18-1 (94.7%)
2015 Wimbledon: 18-1 (94.7%)
2015 US Open: 18-0 (100.0%)
2019 Wimbledon: 19-3 (86.4%)

Sets won/lost before the final by Djokovic

2023 Wimbledon - 18-2 (90.0%)
2024 Wimbledon - 15-2 (88.2%)
2026 Australian Open - 12-4 (75.0%)

2023 and 2024 for Djokovic are similar to Federer's 2014 and 2015 Wimbledon. Just because Djokovic lost one set more than Federer, doesn't mean he was suddenly completely out of form.

2026 AO for Djokovic is nonsensical, add the fact that Djokovic played less matches due to a W/O and therefore had more rest.

I don't see this as "completely different" form. Also, 7 matches don't determine form. You need to go back more and also check what a player did after the specific event. Also, YTD ranking should be added if you want to get a gist of their "form".

All in all for 2026 Djok vs 2019 Fed, 2026 Djokovic beat Sinner in the AO SF. 2019 Federer beat Nadal in the WB SF. Both lost the finals. Nothing to really separate the two.

Fact is, don't be a hypocrite, dont apply double standards. Without doing that, it's obvious that Djokovic learned the hard way that he isn't Zeus. He had an age advantage. Now that that's gone, he is losing Slam finals left, right and center against Alcaraz.

Younger ATG wins against Old ATG. That simple.

 

[TripleATeam]

What is your point lol?

Djokovic is 3-1 at Wimbeldon against Federer. According to clown-djoko-t-a-rds, it means Djoko is a better grass courter.

My point is, nope, he isn't.

You're using my my argument, namely H2H isn't necessarily a huge factor in deciding who is better.

Who on earth says Djokovic is a better grass courter than Federer? I've heard the argument against Sampras because Djokovic has 7 wins and a few finals, compared to Sampras' 7 wins and 0 finals (not that I agree, but I've seen the argument before). But against Federer it's 8-7 in titles, 4-3 in additional finals. Sure, Djokovic has the H2H with 3-1 and 3-0 in finals plus a canceled event that he would've been favorite for, but that doesn't magically give him another Wimbledon.

You'd need to measure 2020W as a victory for Djokovic even though it didn't happen, then say the H2H at Wimbledon puts Djokovic over Federer. That's a major stretch.

 

[Eren]

Who on earth says Djokovic is a better grass courter than Federer?

LewII, NadalDjango, SpencerGore (or w/e his username is) and many such users on here lol

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Since some his fans believed age was never a factor during all of his Slam final wins against Federer, it definitely hurts his case, unless we resort to hypocrisy and the use of double standards.

I resonate with that deeply because I myself am a victim of double standards on this forum.
Like I said before, most of the troll hunting / criticism from TTW users is directed toward me, even though there are clearly far more unreasonable people here than me (e.g. junkieballer, GoatNo1).

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Wasn't it obvious that Djokovic primarily won those Wimbledon finals against Federer because Djokovic had the age advantage? Anyone with half a working brain cell knows that.

Yes of course it was obvious.
But in any case, those Wimbledon final wins don't even matter much anymore anyway, because Federer still is the record holder in Men's tennis for the most number of Wimbledon crowns.
8 titles (including one without dropping a single set!) > 7 titles
12 finals > 10 finals

Having said that, for those Djoko-****s it's an eye-opener to see their king, the prophesised son of Zeus be utterly owned by Alcaraz.

I wouldn't quite say "utterly owned"... I mean, yes, the Wimbledon 2024 final was a destruction, but let's be fair here: the 37 year old Djokovic was coming back from a knee surgery, and was also most likely conserving his energy (which is much more prone to running out for older men) for the upcoming Olympic Games too. Besides, Alcaraz in 2024 was the same age as Nadal was in 2007, and we all remember how much of a beast Nadal was in 2007 on grass.

In their words, "how convenient that Djokovic declined at the exact moment Alcaraz arrived. He was winning majors and reaching finals in 2023, 2024. Suddenly, lost his prime. GAS, great age shift". What happened to that? The GAS extended to the exact timing of Alcaraz's arrival, lmao.

Well, tbf, the same type of coincidences did happen with Federer too. He clearly played worse post-2010 AO than before. But of course, from 2010 onwards is where his winning rate fell off a cliff. Part of this decline in success was due to the rise of Djokodal, yes, but the other part was undeniably due to his own physical decline.
Convenient or not, things like that do happen in life.

It was fun while it lasted. This entire experience was humbling for Djokovic tbf. Wimbledon 2024 and especially AO 2026 (where he never lost in the final) were significant blows.

Dude, no offense but Nadal losing in R1 to Zedrot, that too in straight sets, was arguably at least as humiliating, if not, even more.

Would love to see another Slam final between the two, given that both are healthy and not injured.

Unfortunately, that will most likely not happen again... I have no doubt that AO 2026 was Djokovic's very last Slam final.

 

[CarlitosWay]

I'm not comparing, I'm just making a statement that it is also embarrassing to lose both matches on PC.

No, you are just trolling. Shocker.

 

[Hitman]

No, you are just trolling. Shocker.

Right, because this entire's thread premise isn't to troll.

But you cheering leading that....shocker indeed.

 

[sportsfan1]

The arguments back then were that Federer was still prime at 35-38 as he beat the field to reach Nole in the final, only results count not age and so Nole is better than Fed.

But Nole beats the field, loses 3 slam finals to Alcaraz and it's said he's very old.