Alcaraz plans to sit at the head of the big 3 table, as the new tribal chief - Acknowledge him
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Alcaraz will focus on majors. He is not going waste time like Djokovic in masters. He will plan his year around peaking at majors.
The guy has already set sights and today he is explicitly stating so. He talks the talk and walks the walk.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
As good as Sinner is, I don't think the best version of Sinner is as good as the best version of Alcaraz. Alcaraz is only 21 and he will be on another level in 2 years. I see Alcaraz as equivalent of Big 3 and Sinner equivalent of Murray. Only a slight difference, but the achievements are hugely different. Unless another great to equal him appears in another 5-10 years, Alcaraz will smash all the records of ATP.
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Some foolishness, this.
The kid said at the end of career he'd like to sit ".....at the same table...". Not at the head of it. He'd like to, not he will. He is aiming high, not proclaiming that he will get there. What should he do but aim high? I like his goals.
I get your frustration. But aiming high is not disrespecting the greats / their achievements. Novak compared Carlitos to Roger / Rafa / himself last year and said he could win many more majors. Pundits say it too, subject to health / fitness. It is obviously his potential that is being referred to, nothing else. Potential is spoken of before it happens, not when it has been achieved, so I disagree. Carlitos does not have to reach double digits before his current achievements can be celebrated and his potential discussed.
The kid said at the end of career he'd like to sit ".....at the same table...". Not at the head of it. He'd like to, not he will. He is aiming high, not proclaiming that he will get there. What should he do but aim high? I like his goals.
I get your frustration. But aiming high is not disrespecting the greats / their achievements. Novak compared Carlitos to Roger / Rafa / himself last year and said he could win many more majors. Pundits say it too, subject to health / fitness. It is obviously his potential that is being referred to, nothing else. Potential is spoken of before it happens, not when it has been achieved, so I disagree. Carlitos does not have to reach double digits before his current achievements can be celebrated and his potential discussed.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Not him. He should aim high and nothing wrong with anything he said. But for us to assume (and yes that is exactly what people here are saying) and for people to say he ALREADY is the best level of all time is absurd.
End of story. Think of all the things that must go right for him to win 25 slams. The chances of it happening are less than 1%.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
"4 a year for the next 5 or 6 years"It is hard for me to look at Sinner and think he has the physicality for a long career. He seems reasonably tough, but the stress on those long levers....
Let's see, 4 a year from here on out for a mere 5 or 6 years, well someone else needs to do the math
lol
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
He needs 25 to be a farm animal. 20 to be in the Convo.
His chances statistically are less than 1% as only 3 people ever have won 20 slams.
2 majors a year means he never gets a major injury (unlikely considering his play style).
There is no GOAT. He will be the best of his era. Couple that with his wins over Djokodal.
If he wins CYGS, then that alone is enough to place him as same level as big 3.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
His era has not even really started. His wins were against old Rafa and Djoker. Winning the CYGS would be huge but is still just 4 slams and means he would need to be in the 15+.
He has won 4 of the last 8 majors . He was injured for one and cramped a second and knows exactly what he did wrong in the 3rd. His coach was not there in the 4th.
We are going to see him get some big numbers by the time he is 26-28.
If he gets CYGS, getting to around 15 is very much in the ball park .
He is good on all surfaces and competition is weak outside of Sinner, Zed and Med.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
All good points. However, I would not assume he is going to be winning a bunch of slams after 30.
He may not have to win much after 30.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yet to be seen. USO will be a big start.
This is 4 slams in 14 total appearances at the slam level.
4 of the last 7 slams, including his "growing pains" dip.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Just hope he stays healthy. Whats nice is that he plays an entertaining brand of tennis. Djokovic's tennis was almost as bad as Wilander's to watch. Nobody wants a percentage player grinder at the top.
Day_Tripper
Rookie
Alcaraz is impressive for sure but he is nowhere near peak Federer.
He has to really deliver now. if he wants to claim GOAThood cant loose slams to mugs from now on especially on hard court. the competiton seems to be lacking which is something that is not his problem but it would be sad to see a player of his talent not getting a real challenger that increases the level to New heights.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
To me, in peak, he can be in the conversation, peak Federer just did It more consistently, i did watch peak Federer live and despite the recency bias, i feel something very similar watching both play, lets see when he improves consistency if you change your mind, i have seen a lot of matches from Alcaraz though, so i know what hes capable of
Right on! Let's just hope the kid doesn't end up as Bjorn Borg retiring too early for his personal reasons.
This is what folks are going to keep saying. Let him get the next , let him get the next ..
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe that is cause he has like a billion next's if he wants to join big3.
He is better than the big 3 at this age.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes he is. Now do it for another decade.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Calm down kid don't get excited. Highest ever peak where? Needed 5 sets to beat Tiafoe is highest peak?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Earth is Carlos the Shepherd right now in achievements compared to the big 3.
At the rate he is going , he may not have to go for a decade. I want to enjoy the ride right from the start and he has excited me . I understand some who are so passionate and nostalgic about big 3. To me it is no disrespect and we don’t need to wait any longer to be excited about Alcaraz
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Excited and enjoy it yes.
Predict and say he is going to surpass them is crazy talk and really unfair to talk about until he is at least half way there. But to each their own. I do hope he does all the things you guys say.
I am saying that he has a great chance to be spoken in the same breadth as big 3. For you the metrics to be allowed for comparison are different. I think Alcaraz is going to achieve the half way mark in no time . So our disagreement will not last long
Alcaraz has yet to reach his peak.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
We shall see. I have no problem being proved wrong.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Highest peak Doesnt have to last the whole tournament, a peak is a peak, im talking how high that peak got, sinner didnt reach that peak the whole tournament, he just was steady, which wasnt enough once he got a decent oponent
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
No reason why he can’t to be fair
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
You mean peak for a game?lol
StefanV
Semi-Pro
Big 3 forever. @Lleytonstation
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Nothing can stop us. Carlos tends his sheep while the farm animals run the show
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
This is what I posted in 2022. He is living up to his talent level.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
You keep mentioning the Tiafoe match but It was a tricky indoors match and he won 6-2 in the 5th lol
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Like the greats haven't had to survive upsets LOL.
2015 Djokovic went down 0-2 to Anderson.
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Yah Man. Check out this piece, with the facts of his achievements to date. We're jamming.
Alcaraz & The Big Three's Fourth Major Title
| Player | 4th Major Title | Age | Record In Major Finals |
| Roger Federer | 2004 US Open | 23 | 4-0 |
| Rafael Nadal | 2008 Roland Garros | 22 | 4-2 |
| Novak Djokovic | 2011 US Open | 24 | 4-2 |
| Carlos Alcaraz | 2024 Wimbledon | 21 | 4-0 |
Alcaraz & The Big Three: Slam Matches To Earn 4th Major Title
| Player | Slam Matches At 4th Major | Grand Slam Winning % |
| Roger Federer | 79 | 77.2% (61-18) |
| Rafael Nadal | 81 | 84% (68-13) |
| Novak Djokovic | 134 | 82.1% (110-24) |
| Carlos Alcaraz | 69 | 85.5% (59-10) |
How Alcaraz is making Grand Slam history quicker than Federer, Nadal & Djokovic | ATP Tour | Tennis
Carlos Alcaraz is making Grand Slam history quicker than the legendary Big Three of Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. By winning his fourth major title on Sunday, defeating Djokovic in the Wimbledon final, Alcaraz has lifted four Slam trophies at the age of 21.
www.atptour.com
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
It’s 100% possible with the way he played, any other the big 3 at peak couldn’t have beaten him that day.
I think the real question is how well will his body bowl hold up while attempting to complete those records?
I think the real question is how well will his body bowl hold up while attempting to complete those records?
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