Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
Have to have it one way or the other, that's certain. But surely anyone who does win everything with the 10th masters in tow will be held in higher esteem, despite the lack of 1/1 comparison.
Alcaraz & Sinner And The Quest To Join Djokovic For The Complete Big Title Haul
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Hitman
Bionic Poster
Achievements are not retrospectively removed. He has officially achieved the career golden masters on two occasions.
Regarding Sinner and Alcaraz, before 1988 a gold medal wasn't needed to complete the resume either.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
It seems you don't understand how master series slots work, do you?
Nadal hasn't won Shanghai either, but he won what was in it's slot previously, which is Madrid Indoor, so he didn't need to win Shanghai to complete his set of nine. He needed Miami and Paris only.
But I guess your bitterness for Djokovic didn't let you see that bit.
Did Djokovic compete Hamburg while it was a masters ? Did he win ?
I just look at those and not what it gets replaced with after x number of years
Hitman
Bionic Poster
You don't understand how masters series titles work. It is about the slot, venues can change.
For instance, Djokovic won the double career golden masters when the Cincinnati tournament took place in NYC during Covid. It was officially seen as him winning all 9 events twice.
Achievements are not retrospectively removed but failures can be erased conveniently. LOL @ double standards .
If he stays on tour when the Saudi masters is on , then he would need to get the title .
Suit yourself. In my books Hamburg was incomplete.
NachoGPT
Professional
Djokovic has won 12 majors since that user made that sarcastic username. Must be tough for him. lol
Hitman
Bionic Poster
No double standards, ATP will not be retrospectively removing achievements.
He officially has completed tennis.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Its not about suiting myself, I am following what the ATP themselves say.
You are suiting yourself with your own made up version, not the official version from the ATP.
As I said, Nadal doesn't need Shanghai, he won Madrid Indoors....but if you think Nadal should be penalized for not winning it, despite winning the event that occupied the 8th slot, you are welcome to your version. I'll stick to the official stance.
GoatNo1
Legend
in modern tennis era everything is important, ranking is since 1972 so no1 stats was important since those days. masters are since 1990. WTFs even longer. DC was longer but is less important now ect. everything matter! and it is good thing that nole holes all main records (besides all titles). so even if in the future something maybe be less important he would always have something that is most important. because he has it all. and big 3 played in the same era when the same thing was equal important for all 3 of them!
GoatNo1
Legend
nole has even won ATP cup. just saying, see that you mention DC.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Should SinCaraz "complete" their resumes, I have a feeling that their fans would not be so kind to Djo. Unless Djo has a certificate to prove that he did indeed "complete" his resume.
Did he get a trophy when he achieved that?
But most importantly, which insecure 12-year old Djo fan came up with the name career golden masters? Where does the gold in this golden come from? Was it simply to compensate for the fact that he didn't have Olympic gold at that time and Nadal had already achieved career golden slam?
GoatNo1
Legend
yes, it is quite opposite! it is not that nole will lose his DGM with no10 but his record will become even harder to achieve! to complete GM players would need to ween 10 out of 10 that is harder than 9 out 9!
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Well, did Laver get a special trophy to say he won the CYGS? Or was it just the four slam title trophies themselves?
Novak Djokovic is one Monte Carlo title away from a Triple Career Golden Masters | Tennis.com
Since the Masters 1000 level began in 1990, he’s already the only player to complete a Career Golden Masters, let alone a Double Career Golden Masters.
Since the Masters 1000 level began in 1990, he’s already the only player to complete a Career Golden Masters, let alone a Double Career Golden Masters.
Novak Djokovic's journey to 100 tour-level titles | ATP Tour | Tennis
Novak Djokovic has won his 100th tour-level title by triumphing in Miami. ATPTour.com looks back on the Serbian's journey to a century of trophies.
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After undergoing surgery in January 2018, Djokovic served notice by winning Wimbledon as the 12th seed. Titles in Cincinnati and at the US Open followed, the first of which made Djokovic the only man to achieve a Career Golden Masters — winning all nine ATP Masters 1000s at least once.
A lot of 12 year old insecure Djokovic fans out there in some very high places.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yep, it just changes things.
As I said in a post earlier before 1988, no one needed to win the Olympic Gold Medal to compete the big title haul. So there are changes here and there that always happen.
If everything matters , then Djokovic has to beat Connors
GoatNo1
Legend
he does not. irt is the last main record that he does not hold! and it is least important tier of main records. fed was the GOAT not holding that record AND T1 record of YE#1s or havin positive h2h vs main rivals!!!
T1: YE#1, weeks at #1, slams, CGS, CGM, highest points, completing tennis,
T2: big titles, WTF, masters, holding all 4 slams at once
T3: h2h vs main rivals, W%, all titles
everything matters but no one owns every record. nole almost does it. rafa and fed did not hold any main record and nole owns all but one (and not one of most importante)!
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GoatNo1
Legend
yes. the same as ATP cup. their own DC-like event (that nole also won BTW)!
_phantom
Hall of Fame
The analogy doesn't sound right. CYGS or the original grand slam has been discussed for more than half a century. This career golden masters with 9 different titles was coined in late 2018 and we had another masters confirmed by early 2025. That's like 6 years of glory but still better than the 3 pandemic years of ATP cup.
Those are recent references. My question was different. Who was the first to use the term career golden masters?
Where does this golden come from? Genuine question.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
You were asking if he was awarded a trophy to mark the achievement. Well CYGS is an achievement, Laver didn't get one for it. So why would they do one now?
ATP website were the first to say it. This isn't something that was coined by a fan on the internet.
Alcaraz won Wim twice yet it didnt stop Sinner who at that time never won Wimbledon to beat him without any big effort in the final.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
The certificate/special trophy was not a serious question. But if Djo is still active when the Saudi masters takes place and if Sincaraz gets closer to winning 10 different masters + 6-Kings slam, good luck arguing with their fans.
I am sure when Djo was getting closer to winning his 9th different masters title, some new terms for that achievement were thrown around by his fans. Even if I take your word that "career golden masters" first appeared on the ATP site in 2018 only, it raises a different question.
Djo and his sycophants were at the helm of ATP players' council at that time. Knowing how insecure Djo himself is, I would not blame someone for having the suspicion that Djo (or Pospisil if you want to be generous) came up with that ridiculous term. Golden without any gold.
It seems the new thing the "big titles" list was also first hyped up in first phase of his tenure as president of the players' council.
Oh Djo. Shame, Shame.
Vincent-C
Legend
Without winning a CYGS? I'm so old that I remember when winning it (Laver did it 2x; Budge once) was the absolute gold [heh] standard in tennis achievements.. nothing else came close.
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TheAssassin
G.O.A.T.
He's figured it all out! Can't get anything past this guy. Truly masterful deducing.
Most mere mortals would back down after being shown that ATP themselves wrote Career GOLDEN Masters at the time Djokovic completed it, but that would be a mistake. It might actually be Djokovic's and his sycophants' influence in the players' council that is behind all of this.
But wait, there is more! The term was actually already mentioned in 2014 when the Bryan brothers obtained the last missing piece of their GOLDEN puzzle in Shanghai, four years before Djokovic completed it in men's singles.
Did the insecure manipulative man also travel back in time and edited the term? For men's doubles no less, to cover his tracks even better? Stay tuned, because the explanation behind all of this will undoubtedly be GOLDEN!
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Okay, it seems career golden masters first appeared on TTW in 2013 when Djo only lacked Cinci (probably Fed too lacked one or two). People back then found the "golden" in it as ridiculous as it seems even today.
One suggestion here was to call it master-better or something similar sounding.
The 2013 players' council had notable names - Fed, Djo, Pospisil, Isner and Nadal among others. Pospisil and Isner are the sycophants of the previous post if you were wondering. Fed was the president who lost the 2012 OG final and was as distraught as Djo about not having won the gold yet. Nadal was the most content as expected. Pospisil proposed that ridiculous name on behalf of Djo. When it went up for a vote only Nadal opposed, but the resolution passed with the majority voting for the name career golden masters.
So we have the ridiculous name with golden in it because both Fed and Djo were insecure about lacking a gold medal. Happy?
On a serious note, it is not a fight here that requires one to back down.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
Needless to say.
If they add a 5th slam in the future, everyone who achieved the Career Grand Slam won't have it removed.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
That's not the same thing. Odds are just probabilities of what could happen. There's no way Sinner is more likely to win IW than Alcaraz right now. If you diasagree you can always bet on Sinner and make easy money.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
The desperation is real lol.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Outside the Majors players will have events they place more stock in. E.g Sinner id think will always take Rome and WTF (if they remain in Italy) seriously. Alcaraz id think would like to win titles in barcelona and Madrid more than other events outside slams in same way Murray placed great value on Queens.
Nadal valued IW, Monte Carlo, and Rome the most as well as Barcelona which he valued more than Madrid as it happens which always puzzled me. Alcaraz couldnt give a sh*t about paris masters or canada.
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
I always assumed it was familiarity with the city given the association with his uncle playing for Barca throughout his childhood, getting access to the dressing rooms there etc. I'm sure there are a plethora of reasons year-to-year but that one sticks out to me
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Balearic islanders have historically and culturally been closer to Catalonia. And unlike Madrid, Barcelona open has 80 years of history and prestige behind it.
Nadal becoming a Real Madrid fan instead of a Barcelona fan should be more of a head scratcher.
Pretty sure they would give it a new name like Career Grand Slam Plus or Career Mega Slam.
But it gets more complicated if a player who achieved Career Grand Slam is still active when the 5th slam is introduced. Let's say Sinner completes the Career Grand Slam at age 27. A year (or 2 or 7 years) before his retirement at age 36, a 5th slam is introduced. How would the fans (his and the rivals') react if he never wins the 5th?
BauerAlmeida
Legend
Although Miguel Ángel played for Barca, Rafa is a Madrid fan.
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