Alcaraz vs Big 3 Season at Age 21

Spencer Gore

Spencer Gore

Legend
1. Carlos Alcaraz:
AO - QF
RG - W
W - W
US -2R

Slams Won: 2,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 19

2. Rafa Nadal
AO - QF
RG - W
W. - F
US.- 4R

Slams Won: 1,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 20

3. Novak Djokovic
AO - W
RG - SF
W. - 2R
US - SF

Slams Won: 1
Finals: 1
At least semis: 3
At Least Quarters 3
Slam Matches won: 18

4. Roger Federer
AO - 4R
RG - 1R
W. - 1R
US - 4R

Slams Won: 0
Finals: 0
At least semis: 0
At least quarters: 0
Slam matches won: 6
 
In his last three tournaments, Alcaraz has lost to 37 year old Djokovic on one leg, 38 year old Monfils and challenger finalist Botic VDZ.
Two slams is a great result, but right now he is not in his best form.
 
KantenKlaar said:
Where was the downhill slide for Iga or Carlos for the past 2 years?
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Iga is already in it. Carlos will probably be on the downhill slide within 2-3 years. Carlos days of winning will probably be over by the time he’s 25. He doesn’t have a GOAT weapon like Rafas FH that can give him longevity. He doesn’t have Djokers brains. He’s more reckless on the court and he doesn’t have feds talent. I never understood why he was compared to the big 3 anyways
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
Iga is already in it. Carlos will probably be on the downhill slide within 2-3 years. Carlos days of winning will probably be over by the time he’s 25. He doesn’t have a GOAT weapon like Rafas FH that can give him longevity. He doesn’t have Djokers brains. He’s more reckless on the court and he doesn’t have feds talent. I never understood why he was compared to the big 3 anyways
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That is the beauty if their success...people tend to underestimate them, but they are always back bigger and better. Natural born winners.
 
KantenKlaar said:
That is the beauty if their success...people tend to underestimate them, but they are always back bigger and better. Natural born winners.
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Alcaraz isn’t good enough on HC to regularly win slams on them. It is a problem as 2 of the 4 majors are on it. He will struggle to get near big 3 records if he can’t adapt as well on them. He will probably win more on grass and clay but alone that won’t be enough as he will have times he dips there, misses through injury or another rival rises to stop him.

Alcaraz has to make the most of these chances because he might not be as good or the top dog in say 5 years time.
 
Spencer Gore said:
1. Carlos Alcaraz:
AO - QF
RG - W
W - W
US -2R

Slams Won: 2,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 19

2. Rafa Nadal
AO - QF
RG - W
W. - F
US.- 4R

Slams Won: 1,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 20

3. Novak Djokovic
AO - W
RG - SF
W. - 2R
US - SF

Slams Won: 1
Finals: 1
At least semis: 3
At Least Quarters 3
Slam Matches won: 18

4. Roger Federer
AO - 4R
RG - 1R
W. - 1R
US - 4R

Slams Won: 0
Finals: 0
At least semis: 0
At least quarters: 0
Slam matches won: 6
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Add other titles won too.

Raz is very much having a bad season but his channel slam skewed this so much
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Alcaraz is not as consistent as the big 3. The big 3 had tougher competition at same age too.
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The OP literally says otherwise.
In addition, he's won 60 of his 71 slam matches. Only, only Mcenroe clears him there. Not even Nadal.

Also no way in hell Alcaraz is facing weaker competition (if that's a thing) than what Roger faced at Alcaraz' age. At least Roger. Some would say this even about Nadal's early days.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
The guy is 21! Long break? :-D:-D
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There was a famous 25 year old who needed a longer break than what's suggested here.

Turns out blanket statements on age aren't that valuable after all. Do put yourself in his shoes and see if there's a possibility of some kind of fatigue. After a Zverev beatdown, a rolled ankle, a compromised elbow, calender slam, Olympic doubles attempt, a gruelling loss for silver medal, rampant online bullying from Sinner brigade and actual PR articles throwing shade on Djokovic and Alcaraz for not overtly supporting Sinner in this doping scandal they aren't even involved in, another rolled ankle at USO, and some skin issue on his foot, do you not see a possibility of some trouble in his life currently?

Djokovic is well versed in your politik and can shield himself well from external noise. Alcaraz can only learn from experience.
 
FeroBango said:
There was a famous 25 year old who needed a longer break than what's suggested here.

Turns out blanket statements on age aren't that valuable after all. Do put yourself in his shoes and see if there's a possibility of some kind of fatigue. After a Zverev beatdown, a rolled ankle, a compromised elbow, calender slam, Olympic doubles attempt, a gruelling loss for silver medal, rampant online bullying from Sinner brigade and actual PR articles throwing shade on Djokovic and Alcaraz for not overtly supporting Sinner in this doping scandal they aren't even involved in, another rolled ankle at USO, and some skin issue on his foot, do you not see a possibility of some trouble in his life currently?

Djokovic is well versed in your politik and can shield himself well from external noise. Alcaraz can only learn from experience.
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The fact is though he hasn’t played that much this year. Not compared to other players. He missed parts of clay season, missed Canada and went out of a few tournaments early.

Of course if he’s hurt or fatigued he should rest a bit. However, there are other players that played a lot and older than him and don’t need a long break. A short break yes but no need for a long one in my view.
 
Spencer Gore said:
1. Carlos Alcaraz:
AO - QF
RG - W
W - W
US -2R

Slams Won: 2,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 19

2. Rafa Nadal
AO - QF
RG - W
W. - F
US.- 4R

Slams Won: 1,
Finals: 2
At least Semis: 2
At least Quarters: 3
Slam matches won: 20

3. Novak Djokovic
AO - W
RG - SF
W. - 2R
US - SF

Slams Won: 1
Finals: 1
At least semis: 3
At Least Quarters 3
Slam Matches won: 18

4. Roger Federer
AO - 4R
RG - 1R
W. - 1R
US - 4R

Slams Won: 0
Finals: 0
At least semis: 0
At least quarters: 0
Slam matches won: 6
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Shows WHEN you do something, is very irrelevant.

The end game is not determined by the start.
 
All of alcarazs calendar year seasons have been have been so up and down. He's won slams but also has had losses to lower ranked players. Never been consistently dominant or has built up that aura of being unbeatable going into a match like fedal.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
The fact is though he hasn’t played that much this year. Not compared to other players. He missed parts of clay season, missed Canada and went out of a few tournaments early.

Of course if he’s hurt or fatigued he should rest a bit. However, there are other players that played a lot and older than him and don’t need a long break. A short break yes but no need for a long one in my view.
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Different strokes for different folks. Sinner for example was even worse at this age. Please allow Alcaraz to grow and mature both into his mind and body.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
The fact is though he hasn’t played that much this year. Not compared to other players. He missed parts of clay season, missed Canada and went out of a few tournaments early.

Of course if he’s hurt or fatigued he should rest a bit. However, there are other players that played a lot and older than him and don’t need a long break. A short break yes but no need for a long one in my view.
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They do not make them like they used to, do they?

Carlos has not played a difficult schedule. He should not need a physical rest, but a mental one.

He is on the verge of never getting his aura back.
 
Lleytonstation said:
They do not make them like they used to, do they?

Carlos has not played a difficult schedule. He should not need a physical rest, but a mental one.

He is on the verge of never getting his aura back.
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Exactly. Imagine saying that to the prime big 3. They used to fight through all sorts. They had each other and yet were constantly making the latter stages of slams in a tougher era.
 
I think we are skewed from the consistency of the Big3, heavily weighted on their prime years of 23 years old and later. They are the exception not the rule for even great players. Sampras/Agassi and that level of champion often had blips in slams in years when they won other slams, and were not always in the semis and finals every week. It's a bit unfair to hold any player to the Big3's accomplishments.

CA has a long road ahead and a lot of talent, that should tilt to more slams rather than Hewitt/Roddick/Safin quick peak then fade.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Can't be hard on him, he still saved tennis at Wimbledon again :D
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You know what is coming at USO though ;)


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Mainad said:
With 4 Slams under his belt Alcaraz has significantly done better than any of the Big 3 by the age of 21 (vs 3 for Nadal, 1 each for Federer and Djokovic). Moreover his spread of Slams (3 out of the 4) is by far the most impressive.
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But no we must compare the very peak of the Big 3 and make profoundly dumb statements forgetting what they themselves were at Carlos' age.
 
Spencer Gore said:
But the table doesn't demonstrate that at all as it refer to their respective performances up to the age of 24. It simply shows the performance of Alcaraz against the Big 3 during one season, the season when they turned 21.
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Fair. Perspective is difficult right now.

While on one hand we should have it, we also should not project this into the future.
 
Carlos may be done with tennis by the time he's 30. His game is very physical and he's already injury prone. Rafa has been plagued by injuries since 2010.
Winning 4 slams early doesn't mean you overtake the GOATs. It helps but the odds are pretty good that some new young phenoms who are more consistent change Raz' predicted slam course.
 
a10best said:
Carlos may be done with tennis by the time he's 30. His game is very physical and he's already injury prone. Rafa has been plagued by injuries since 2010.
Winning 4 slams early doesn't mean you overtake the GOATs. It helps but the odds are pretty good that some new young phenoms who are more consistent change Raz' predicted slam course.
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Come on, some of you never learn. Didn't you all learn from certain other Spaniard from whom they said the same? Nowadays being done physically aged 30 á la Thiem is the exception, not the norm.
 
Sport said:
Come on, some of you never learn. Didn't you all learn from certain other Spaniard from whom they said the same? Nowadays being done physically aged 30 á la Thiem is the exception, not the norm.
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Yes, but at the same time, injuries are real.

Delpo, Thiem, and many others had their careers derailed or ended earlier then planned.

Should Carlos be playing into his thirties? Yes, but it is not for certain, especially if he is already having elbow issues.

Rafa is a one of kind person and should be treated that way.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Yes, but at the same time, injuries are real.

Delpo, Thiem, and many others had their careers derailed or ended earlier then planned.

Should Carlos be playing into his thirties? Yes, but it is not for certain, especially if he is already having elbow issues.

Rafa is a one of kind person and should be treated that way.
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No one can read the future. He could go slamless in 2025 and 2026, lose the passion and retire aged 23 with 100 million euros to enjoy life.
 
Sport said:
No one can read the future. He could go slamless in 2025 and 2026, lose the passion and retire aged 23 with 100 million euros to enjoy life.
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That is the point. You are assuming he will play till he is 30 and be healthy. I am assuming there is a strong chance he will not.
 
Sport said:
Come on, some of you never learn. Didn't you all learn from certain other Spaniard from whom they said the same? Nowadays being done physically aged 30 á la Thiem is the exception, not the norm.
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Okay, Feliciano and David retired at 41 and 37 respectively & Rafa has delayed his official retirement date.
his is simple body mechanics. The more matches you play the more stress you have on your joints.
It doesn't matter the age. source - Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine | Orthopedist.

Let's be honest. Carlos has a football (soccer) player's body like Rafa and they don't last as long as a Djokovic/Fed body type on the court.

The big 3 are anomalies and will be legendary in the history books.
 
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