Alcaraz vs Roddick

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The real comparison should be Alcaraz vs Murray / Wawrinka.

He has already surpassed Roddick, Kafelnikov, Delpo, Thiem, etc.
 
ND-13 said:
The real comparison should be Alcaraz vs Murray / Wawrinka.

He has already surpassed Roddick, Kafelnikov, Delpo, Thiem, etc.
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you forgot to say vs murray and wawrinka combined
 
Lets see what Carlos does the rest of the year first before we start comparing him to Roddick. LOL. For all we know Carlos could lose RG in the QF or SF and then get pistolwhipped once Fast Court season starts by the big baseline bombers. His one slam win last year was far from impressive and he should have lost to Sinner
 
Roddick by a mile. It's sort of a stupid question to begin with, but I guess Alcaraz could have a career-ending injury tomorrow and there would be a point of comparing a retired player vs. a relatively new phenom.

Anyway, OP selected a nice handful of stats that are fairly close - two categories tied, one where Roddick has a lead, and one where Alcaraz has a lead. But beyond what OP has selected, Roddick had a full career with many more tournament titles, many more wins over top players, many more good Slam results (including 4 additional finals), and more. So, as long as we're actually comparing their on-paper (not potential) achievements as they stand right now, then Roddick - by a considerable margin.
 
Roddick > Alcaraz both levelwise and achievement wise

( for now )

Number of Finals
Roddick - 52
Alcaraz - 12

Number of Big Title Finals
Roddick - 14
Alcaraz - 4

Number of GS Finals
Roddick - 5
Alcaraz - 1
 
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TheNachoMan said:
I need @abmk to speak on this pressing matter.
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Obviously Roddick is better and more accomplished right now. Even if Alcaraz is the more complete player game wise. Roddick faced considerably tougher competition as well.

Roddick's level is better at AO, Wim and USO so far. Alcaraz only at RG.

Alcaraz hasn't done anything worth mentioning at AO or Wim.

USO - Roddick's level in USO 03/07 clearly above Alcaraz USO 22. I'd say USO 06 as well. USO 04 even with the freak loss. USO 01/08 up there as well.

Achievements wise, obviously Roddick has far more slam finals and semis, longevity etc.

Of course barring something unforeseen Alcaraz will achieve more than Roddick and will probably become the better player as well. But right now, definitely Roddick on both fronts.
 
Carlos will probably wind up being the overall better player barring a catastrophe (which tbf could still happen given this era). As of now, it’s Roddick though.
 
NeutralFan said:
Roddick had a window to dominate for a while before Peak Federer arrived , he failed to dominate his not so great opponents in initial years while Alcaraz is dominating them since the get go.
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What window? Roddick is a year YOUNGER than Federer.

And he still finished YE#1 the last year before Federer did.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
What window? Roddick is a year YOUNGER than Federer.

And he still finished YE#1 the last year before Federer did.
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Before Fed peaked. Don't pretend as if Roddick didn't nature before Fed did. Didn't he lose to Hewitt? Did he stop Hewitt like Raz stopped Sinner?
 
NeutralFan said:
Before Fed peaked. Don't pretend as if Roddick didn't nature before Fed did. Didn't he lose to Hewitt? Did he stop Hewitt like Raz stopped Sinner?
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Did he?

Federer's first big moment was his famous defeat of PETE at Wimbledon 2001. IIRC Roddick's first big run came in the USO 2001 where he had a tough battle with Hewitt.

I think Roddick and Federer bloomed more or less at the same time. Maybe Roddick was slightly earlier, but he was a year younger so chronologically at least it was at the same time. Federer won a slam and a M1000 before Roddick.

Hewitt did bloom earlier than both of them. Same for Safin (and Ferrero).
 
Roddick is better than players with 3x the slams he has so Alcaraz still has a lot of work to do.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Did he?

Federer's first big moment was his famous defeat of PETE at Wimbledon 2001. IIRC Roddick's first big run came in the USO 2001 where he had a tough battle with Hewitt.

I think Roddick and Federer bloomed more or less at the same time. Maybe Roddick was slightly earlier, but he was a year younger so chronologically at least it was at the same time. Federer won a slam and a M1000 before Roddick.

Hewitt did bloom earlier than both of them. Same for Safin (and Ferrero).
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He failed to defeat Hewitt at USO qf while Alcaraz at 19 defeated a similar player in sinner who was a year or two older than him, Roddick had the chance to stop Hewitt from becoming USO champion but he couldn't,so don't know where this competition thing is coming from? It's not as if Rods was beating Fed. Had he achieved his slam by beating a big 3 or even Agassi or Sampras then we would bring competition in debate.
 
NeutralFan said:
He failed to defeat Hewitt at USO qf while Alcaraz at 19 defeated a similar player in sinner who was a year or two older than him, Roddick had the chance to stop Hewitt from becoming USO champion but he couldn't,so don't know where this competition thing is coming from? It's not as if Rods was beating Fed. Had he achieved his slam by beating a big 3 or even Agassi or Sampras then we would bring competition in debate.
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I don't think Alcaraz or Roddick had a very different level of competition. Probably Roddick's was a bit tougher since Hewitt is better than Sinner. But he didn't have a window before Federer given that he is younger than him. And Alcaraz was an early bloomer, unlike Roddick or Federer. Only Hewitt was somewhat similar.
 
"Who is currently better"

Alcaraz will be #1 after Rome

Roddick has beem 11 years retired

I begrudgingly admit Alcaraz takes this one
 
RS said:
Regardless of the meme Federer fans rate USO 03 F and Wim 04 F higher.
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and 01 USO QF, and 01 Wimby, and 03 Wimby SF, and 04 AO, and 04 USO, and 05 AO, and 05 Wimby, and 06 USO, and 07 AO, and 07 Wimby, and 07 USO, and 08 USO, and 09 AO, and 09 Wimby.

Alcaraz's joke of a "slam" title would have been like 02 Roddick showing up (who was not in great shape physically) to the USO and grinding his way through Haas and Schalken to win, instead of getting pistol whipped, as Alcaraz himself would have gotten. That "slam winning" level would have been maybe good for 4R or QF in most other past versions of USO, so on par with afterthought/disappointing versions of Roddick there like 02, 04, 08. Obviously it was barely only good for the QF in that joke of a tournament, where he should have lost.
 
metsman said:
and 01 USO QF, and 01 Wimby, and 03 Wimby SF, and 04 AO, and 04 USO, and 05 AO, and 05 Wimby, and 06 USO, and 07 AO, and 07 Wimby, and 07 USO, and 08 USO, and 09 AO, and 09 Wimby.

Alcaraz's joke of a "slam" title would have been like 02 Roddick showing up (who was not in great shape physically) to the USO and grinding his way through Haas and Schalken to win, instead of getting pistol whipped, as Alcaraz himself would have gotten. That "slam winning" level would have been maybe good for 4R or QF in most other past versions of USO, so on par with afterthought/disappointing versions of Roddick there like 02, 04, 08. Obviously it was barely only good for the QF in that joke of a tournament, where he should have lost.
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And Roddick was fortunate to squeak through Nalbandian off a bad call in his favor and follow it up with a joke win over a claycourt specialist in the final.
 
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metsman said:
and 01 USO QF, and 01 Wimby, and 03 Wimby SF, and 04 AO, and 04 USO, and 05 AO, and 05 Wimby, and 06 USO, and 07 AO, and 07 Wimby, and 07 USO, and 08 USO, and 09 AO, and 09 Wimby.
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@RS was saying that Federer fans rate USO 03 F and Wim 04 F higher than USO 07 QF there
 
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metsman said:
Alcaraz's joke of a "slam" title would have been like 02 Roddick showing up (who was not in great shape physically) to the USO and grinding his way through Haas and Schalken to win, instead of getting pistol whipped, as Alcaraz himself would have gotten. That "slam winning" level would have been maybe good for 4R or QF in most other past versions of USO, so on par with afterthought/disappointing versions of Roddick there like 02, 04, 08. Obviously it was barely only good for the QF in that joke of a tournament, where he should have lost.
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I think Alcaraz's USO 22 level is good enough for a semi final level at USO. I mean we had Schalken in USO 02, Kafel in USO 01, todd martin in 00 etc.

Re: comparision with Roddick, I also mentioned somewhat similar above:

"USO - Roddick's level in USO 03/07 clearly above Alcaraz USO 22. I'd say USO 06 as well. USO 04 even with the freak loss. USO 01/08 up there as well."

not sure I'd add USO 02 in the list given Roddick wasn't fully fit.
 
metsman said:
and 01 USO QF, and 01 Wimby, and 03 Wimby SF, and 04 AO, and 04 USO, and 05 AO, and 05 Wimby, and 06 USO, and 07 AO, and 07 Wimby, and 07 USO, and 08 USO, and 09 AO, and 09 Wimby.

Alcaraz's joke of a "slam" title would have been like 02 Roddick showing up (who was not in great shape physically) to the USO and grinding his way through Haas and Schalken to win, instead of getting pistol whipped, as Alcaraz himself would have gotten. That "slam winning" level would have been maybe good for 4R or QF in most other past versions of USO, so on par with afterthought/disappointing versions of Roddick there like 02, 04, 08. Obviously it was barely only good for the QF in that joke of a tournament, where he should have lost.
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I assume you just forgot the AO 03 QF by mistake which is considered to be a top 10 AO match by some
 
abmk said:
I think Alcaraz's USO 22 level is good enough for a semi final level at USO. I mean we had Schalken in USO 02, Kafel in USO 01, todd martin in 00 etc.

Re: comparision with Roddick, I also mentioned somewhat similar above:

"USO - Roddick's level in USO 03/07 clearly above Alcaraz USO 22. I'd say USO 06 as well. USO 04 even with the freak loss. USO 01/08 up there as well."

not sure I'd add USO 02 in the list given Roddick wasn't fully fit.
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if he almost lost to Sinner he can easily lose to any of those people. Let's not even get into the match vs geriatric Cilic, and obviously SF/F were far from impressive against bargain basement mugs. This is a field that's weaker than half decent 500s. Yeah he's young but that's only impressive in this era of complete incompetence. Hewitt, Roddick, and many others had more impressive performances at the USO aged 19/20.

Anyways, Sampras, hewitt, and Agassi destroy him so there's only 1 quarter in 02 that he has any hope of getting past the QF.
 
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metsman said:
if he almost lost to Sinner he can easily lose to any of those people. Let's not even get into the match vs geriatric Cilic, and obviously SF/F were far from impressive against bargain basement mugs. This is a field that's weaker than half decent 500s. Yeah he's young but that's only impressive in this era of complete incompetence. Hewitt, Roddick, and many others had more impressive performances at the USO aged 19/20.

Anyways, Sampras, hewitt, and Agassi destroy him so there's only 1 quarter in 02 that he has any hope of getting past the QF.
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You don't value Sinner as a quality opponent ?
 
RS said:
He doesn't rate post 15 like a lot of people on here.
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I don't rate it very highly either, except a few players. I enjoyed the Sinner vs Alcaraz when watching it though, perhaps I am overrating it and should rewatch it to have better appreciation of the level.
 
Dominic & Andrey said:
You don't value Sinner as a quality opponent ?
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No, he's like Berdych except clearly worse in every single aspect of playing tennis.

Entertaining tennis doesn't equal high quality. It's all well and good to be grunting and engaging in fun rallies from 10 feet behind the ground, but it means little when you can't serve and put away basic +1s as the bread and butter of your game. And of course such court positioning can be entertaining for the peons (which comprises of 99% of the crowd) and further adds to the "epic" atmosphere but most real people know it's a highly flawed way of playing on HCs.
 
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metsman said:
if he almost lost to Sinner he can easily lose to any of those people. Let's not even get into the match vs geriatric Cilic, and obviously SF/F were far from impressive against bargain basement mugs. This is a field that's weaker than half decent 500s. Yeah he's young but that's only impressive in this era of complete incompetence. Hewitt, Roddick, and many others had more impressive performances at the USO aged 19/20.

Anyways, Sampras, hewitt, and Agassi destroy him so there's only 1 quarter in 02 that he has any hope of getting past the QF.
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nah, Sinner was playing better than Schalken in USO 02, Kafel in USO 01, todd martin in 00 etc...
The level of others at 19/20 might have been better, but not many had Alcaraz's mental strength/stamina (not referring to Hewitt/Roddick per se, but just in general)

Sampras, Hewitt, Agassi in USO 02 would beat Alcaraz of USO 22 but don't see a destruction here. I mean Sampras wasn't returning that good (save the final), hewitt had some serving issues etc. etc.
 
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metsman said:
No, he's like Berdych except clearly worse in every single aspect of playing tennis.
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Sinner's a discount Berdych ATM, but he does move a little better than Berdych and maybe returns marginally better (its close).
berdych of course had a way better serve and a better fh/bh.
 
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