Alcaraz will get the better of Sinner in this rivalry ...

[Razer]

01. Alcaraz seems to not get tired in 5th set like others on your...his level is excellent at the end of the tournaments and this is a big thing.
02. Alcaraz also has more mental toughness than anyone except Djokovic, since Novak is nosediving we can say the coast is clear for Alcaraz as there is none to outclutch him.
03. Alcaraz also seems fastest man on tour now.

So keeping these 3 things in mind, Sinner will remain Alcaraz's pigeon on all surfaces (except indoors) unless one of these 3 points crease to exist....now mental toughness is not going anywhere ....maybe he could get tired in the 5th and also slow down on footspeed years from now but that's still some years away and Sinner himself is 2 years older....so it is not like Sinner is an ageless vampire ..he too will slow down.


So keeping these things in mind I am not sure how Sinner can break free from Alcaraz's grip unless there is a big injury to derail the little fella.

Put your money on Alcaraz for Wimbledon @Kralingen unless you think Djokovic will play and win in dramatic ways...

 

[tudwell]

Neither of these guys will be the other's pigeon.

 

[drakulie]

If Alcaraz wins more matches against Sinner than he loses, there is a strong possibility that this theory may be very sound.

 

[Humble Crumble]

Literally all Sinner has to do is improve his physical fitness and he’ll dominate all surfaces except clay.

If you can make wild predictions then so can I.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I hope so

#Gryffindor

 

[Kralingen]

I have already placed a hefty wager on Sinner for Wimbledon. I believe in the “point to prove” theory and how revenge can often be the best motivator. Sinner will come in hungry and focused.

Observe what happened in 2023. Novak beat Carlos due to his cramps at RG, Carlos turned around angry and scorned and proved a point on grass in 2023. It was all revenge and he listened to Ferrero more closely than ever before, because he was hyperfocused to prove a point.

Now, compare to this year, Carlos is already talking about the Olympics and doubles with Rafa, basking in his clay success.. I don’t think he’s got the same eye of the tiger for Wimbledon as he did last year. Sinner meanwhile has all the motivation in the world to go kick ass at Wimbledon.

 

[Razer]

I have already placed a hefty wager on Sinner for Wimbledon. I believe in the “point to prove” theory and how revenge can often be the best motivator. Sinner will come in hungry and focused.

Observe what happened in 2023. Novak beat Carlos due to his cramps at RG, Carlos turned around angry and scorned and proved a point on grass in 2023. It was all revenge and he listened to Ferrero more closely than ever before, because he was hyperfocused to prove a point.

Now, compare to this year, Carlos is already talking about the Olympics and doubles with Rafa, basking in his clay success.. I don’t think he’s got the same eye of the tiger for Wimbledon as he did last year. Sinner meanwhile has all the motivation in the world to go kick ass at Wimbledon.

Interesting theory but what if Alcaraz never allows that revenge fantasy to take place ? Infact Alcaraz already has to take revenge for a loss at W to Sinner in the past, so he must have his own revenge mission ongoing.

 

[The Blond Blur]

You lost me with The Sinner will become Tiny Carl’s pigeon line. This is going to be a back and forth rivalry for a long time health permitting.

 

[GAS]

Too early to call.

At this point, Alcaraz has more ways to win a tennis match than Sinner.

But Sinner is a fast learner.

 

[Spin Diesel]

I think one important point about their RG meeting is that, apart from it being Sinner‘s weakest surface, he wasn‘t just injured before the tournament but also ill and lost weight. So for Wimbledon I expect him to be in much better shape. And it‘s also a different kind of physicality, which works better for him, I‘d say.

 

[Spin Diesel]

Oh and apart from that I don‘t see it becoming a lopsided rivalry. Alcaraz is the pure talent but Sinner is a crazy hard worker and willing to improve and it has worked amazingly so far.

 

[Deleted member 810491]

I mean Sinner is a one-slam-wonder, while Alcaraz has already won 3/4 of the career grand slam and already beat Djokovic in the Wimbledon Final...
Its already a mismatch, and Alcaraz is doing it with poor shot-selection a lot of the time... so he's nowhere near his prime years yet and already has 3 times more slams than Sinner.

 

[jondice]

It'll be like Rafa and Novak. One will run off a few in a row. Then the other.

They will end up close to 50/50 H2H when all is said and done.

 

[NedStark]

It'll be like Rafa and Novak. One will run off a few in a row. Then the other.

They will end up close to 50/50 H2H when all is said and done.

Except that Novak is younger

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Even on Alcaraz most favorable surface / surface advantage, clay; it seemed like Sinner dictated.

So no.

 

[FeroBango]

Even on Alcaraz most favorable surface / surface advantage, clay; it seemed like Sinner dictated.

So no.

Correct. USO 2022 was played on clay.

On topic: nah, this will be a rivalry of pure parity.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Correct. USO 2022 was played on clay.

On topic: nah, this will be a rivalry of pure parity.

Do you think mentioning a match in which Sinner had MP on serve and choked is some kind of argument in your favor?

kek

 

[FeroBango]

Do you think mentioning a match in which Sinner had MP on serve and choked is some kind of argument in your favor?

kek

Sinner won the USO 2022 match, and that's all that matters.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Sinner won the USO 2022 match, and that's all that matters.

^Do mods do anything about trolls here?

 

[aldeayeah]

I hope not. I like Alcaraz a lot but I don't want him winning it all, he needs a regular diet of losses to stay humble.

 

[Humble Crumble]

I hope not. I like Alcaraz a lot but I don't want him winning it all, he needs a regular diet of losses to stay humble.

He needs losses until he stops that insufferable ear-cupping for crowd approval.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Like 99% of TTW I’m a sincaraz fanboy. I can’t split them in terms of who will control the rivalry. They both seem so motivated and have so many weapons that they seem to be able to wrestle momentum from each other over and over again.

At the end of last year I was starting to think that Sinner could potentially take over because he can win service games so much more easily, but Carlitos had other ideas

 

[FeroBango]

^Do mods do anything about trolls here?

Am I wrong though? If Sinner almost won against Alcaraz on the latter's "best" surface, surely, surely, Sinner certainly won against the tiny midget on his best surface and the Tiny's worst surface, no? Take into consideration that said tiny was still two years younger then and only 19.

All logic from your esteemed commentary indicates that Sinner in fact won their slick hard court meeting at Arthur Ashe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Am I wrong though? If Sinner almost won against Alcaraz on the latter's "best" surface, surely, surely, Sinner certainly won against the tiny midget on his best surface and the Tiny's worst surface, no? Take into consideration that said tiny was still two years younger then and only 19.

All logic from your esteemed commentary indicates that Sinner in fact won their slick hard court meeting at Arthur Ashe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Heres the correction:
Regardless of age, Alcaraz was further up his evolution chart / closer to his peak level. And it still took a choke.

 

[FeroBango]

Heres the correction:
Regardless of age, Alcaraz was further up his evolution chart / closer to his peak level. And it still took a choke.

False.

Anyway peak Sinner couldn't win against one armed Alcaraz anyway. At all this year tbh.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

False.

Anyway peak Sinner couldn't win against one armed Alcaraz anyway. At all this year tbh.

False?

Sinner broke out at after Wimbledon last year, Alcaraz started 2022 32-3, which is what Sinners mark was this year.

Its literally correct. The level Alcaraz was at to start 2022, Sinner was at this year.

Good luck with thinking.

 

[TheSlicer]

Heres the correction:
Regardless of age, Alcaraz was further up his evolution chart / closer to his peak level. And it still took a choke.

How can you know how Close to their peak they were? Just because one was better than the other being younger doesnt mean he was closer to his peak, thats totally unobjective and lacks any proof, age is objetive though

 

[FeroBango]

False?

Sinner broke out at after Wimbledon last year, Alcaraz started 2022 32-3, which is what Sinners mark was this year.

Its literally correct. The level Alcaraz was at to start 2022, Sinner was at this year.

Good luck with thinking.

Cope.

 

[FeroBango]

How can you know how Close to their peak they were? Just because one was better than the other being younger doesnt mean he was closer to his peak, thats totally unobjective and lacks any proof, age is objetive though

Bro Sinner is still a baby at 23. The day he beats Alcaraz in slams again, well, he'll still be an unhatched baby and Alcaraz a wise old monster.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Cope.

So much for your rebuttal to me calling you a troll

 

[Forgive Me Father]

How can you know how Close to their peak they were? Just because one was better than the other being younger doesnt mean he was closer to his peak, thats totally unobjective and lacks any proof, age is objetive though

Age doesnt tell you a single thing about how close someone was to their peak, everybody and their mother knows that Alcaraz came to fruition sooner than Sinner. Who do you think has made the bigger strides since 2022 USO? This isnt rocket science.

 

[FeroBango]

Age doesnt tell you a single thing about how close someone was to their peak, everybody and their mother knows that Alcaraz came to fruition sooner than Sinner. Who do you think has made the bigger strides since 2022 USO? This isnt rocket science.

Sinner or Wimbledon 2022>Wimbledon 2023 thus.

It took a choke from him for Novak to escape in five. Massive talent despite being a toddler at that point.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Sinner or Wimbledon 2022>Wimbledon 2023 thus.

It took a choke from him for Novak to escape in five. Massive talent despite being a toddler at that point.

I sense you still have to get some things off your chest. Breathe in young Padawan.

 

[FeroBango]

Age doesnt tell you a single thing about how close someone was to their peak, everybody and their mother knows that Alcaraz came to fruition sooner than Sinner. Who do you think has made the bigger strides since 2022 USO? This isnt rocket science.

Also Wimbledon 2022 Sinner clear of peak 2024 Sinner too because you know, he managed to beat veteran Alcaraz in a slam and all.

 

[TheSlicer]

Age doesnt tell you a single thing about how close someone was to their peak, everybody and their mother knows that Alcaraz came to fruition sooner than Sinner. Who do you think has made the bigger strides since 2022 USO? This isnt rocket science.

Man, the fact that you reach a certain level before another player doesnt show whatsoever how that level ranks inside your potential personal level

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Man, the fact that you reach a certain level before another player doesnt show whatsoever how that level ranks inside your potential personal level

So Alcaraz didnt reach a slam winning level before Sinner? Or consistency?

 

[FeroBango]

Man, the fact that you reach a certain level before another player doesnt show whatsoever how that level ranks inside your potential personal level

He's understandably seething at the OP. Let him grieve about not being able to see peak Sinner beat a half-fit Alcaraz this year. He needs it.

 

[TheSlicer]

So Alcaraz didnt reach a slam winning level before Sinner? Or consistency?

Slam winning level can be ranked differently inside each players best potential level is what im saying, if Alcaraz slam winning level was reached at 19 years old, doesnt mean that hes gonna be worse than sinner at 25 right?

 

[FeroBango]

Slam winning level can be ranked differently inside each players best potential level is what im saying, if Alcaraz slam winning level was reached at 19 years old, doesnt mean that hes gonna be worse than sinner at 25 right?

Nah, Sinner matches the trajectory of Fedr since he's August born and all.

But let me reiterate that even that Sinner could beat Alcaraz -- a feat he's yet to match at all in his ongoing ATG peak year. Wonder why.

 

[Humble Crumble]

False.

Anyway peak Sinner couldn't win against one armed Alcaraz anyway. At all this year tbh.

Literally everybody admitted both players were not at their peak at RG.

Is this entire thread a troll or something?

 

[FeroBango]

Literally everybody admitted both players were not at their peak at RG.

Is this entire thread a troll or something?

Please don't mind me. I'm dealing with a Sinner troll and having a bit of a laugh myself.

For the record, the rivalry will continue to be a delectable, equal one. May they raise Tennis to greater heights.

 

[TheSlicer]

Nah, Sinner matches the trajectory of Fedr since he's August born and all.

But let me reiterate that even that Sinner could beat Alcaraz -- a feat he's yet to match at all in his ongoing ATG peak year. Wonder why.

Lool the comparison with fed because of the lack of early success always gets me... They better Hope a 21 year old Alcaraz has reached his peak, yeah wishful thinking

 

[FeroBango]

Sinner is a terrific talent and as I denied it when Alcaraz was trolled, I refuse to accept that he'll be substantially inferior to Alcaraz.

He has way too robust a game to just fade away and not be a bloody legend of the sport. Have some faith in the Sinner.

 

[Humble Crumble]

Sinner is a terrific talent and as I denied it when Alcaraz was trolled, I refuse to accept that he'll be substantially inferior to Alcaraz.

He has way too robust a game to just fade away and not be a bloody legend of the sport. Have some faith in the Sinner.

This is just an aside but did you see the poll results on that Wimbledon predication thread? Twice as many voted Alcaraz to win than Sinner. So I think we can kiss goodbye the myth of Sinner hype on TTW.

 

[FeroBango]

This is just an aside but did you see the poll results on that Wimbledon predication thread? Twice as many voted Alcaraz to win than Sinner. So I think we can kiss goodbye the myth of Sinner hype on TTW.

I agree. But just wait for Sinner to win (which I think he will) for the hype to comeback.

But tbf, Alcaraz isn't a bad choice either. If it isn't a sinner vs Alcaraz final, indeed we riot.

 

[Razer]

Fit Alcaraz in a Big Final or Semi Final is a very dangerous Alcaraz.

 

[Humble Crumble]

I agree. But just wait for Sinner to win (which I think he will) for the hype to comeback.

But tbf, Alcaraz isn't a bad choice either. If it isn't a sinner vs Alcaraz final, indeed we riot.

Yes, the hype will switch sides until they retire, then non-stop GOAT debates until we’re all dead.

 

[TheSlicer]

This is just an aside but did you see the poll results on that Wimbledon predication thread? Twice as many voted Alcaraz to win than Sinner. So I think we can kiss goodbye the myth of Sinner hype on TTW.

Voting for alcaraz to win a tournament that he won last year is not what i call hype, hype is saying sinner is gonna win every non Clay tournament for the Next 10 years barring injury, or comments like that, same for Alcaraz fans, but a tournament poll cant be hyped enough to call It hype after the things that have been said here

 

[Humble Crumble]

Voting for alcaraz to win a tournament that he won last year is not what i call hype, hype is saying sinner is gonna win every non Clay tournament for the Next 10 years barring injury, or comments like that, same for Alcaraz fans, but a tournament poll cant be hyped enough to call It hype after the things that have been said here

I didn’t say there was Alcaraz hype. I said there was no more Sinner hype.

 

[TheSlicer]

I didn’t say there was Alcaraz hype. I said there was no more Sinner hype.

Maybe the sinner hypers are just a few, but man are they loud