Alcaraz will get the better of Sinner in this rivalry ...

Alcaraz will get the better of Sinner more often than not


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Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Can’t believe how well the rest of this year is setup for dramatic tennis. It could not have been scripted any better.

I won’t have as much free time to watch tennis the remainder of the year so the only men’s tennis matches I will be watching are Sinner, Alcaraz and Nadal and possibly Djokovic to follow his comeback. Even watching far less tennis than I normally would I’ve got so much confidence in how much entertainment these guys are going to bring.
 

dking68

Legend
Who has won 90% of their matches on hard court in the last 52 weeks and are more matches played on hard court or clay? Provide me the answers to those questions and you’ll see who will dominate the rivalry
 

Jack300

New User
In my opinion I think that Sinner has displayed better mental toughness, Carlos has amazing mental toughness, absolutely, but Sinner, to me, has shown better mental toughness in the way of coming back from being 1 or 2 sets down and breaking back. Alcaraz may have better mental toughness over long 5 sets, but I think the reason for that is that Sinners stamina, durability and endurance is not as good as Carlos, but he can build on that.

My money is on Sinner to have more wins over Alcaraz. But honestly it is to soon to tell.
 

FeroBango

Legend
In my opinion I think that Sinner has displayed better mental toughness, Carlos has amazing mental toughness, absolutely, but Sinner, to me, has shown better mental toughness in the way of coming back from being 1 or 2 sets down and breaking back. Alcaraz may have better mental toughness over long 5 sets, but I think the reason for that is that Sinners stamina, durability and endurance is not as good as Carlos, but he can build on that.

My money is on Sinner to have more wins over Alcaraz. But honestly it is to soon to tell.
Sinner is amazing but please revisit the RG SF and F (aaand their own USO 2022 match). You'll know who came back from 1-2 deficit!
 

FeroBango

Legend
Maybe the sinner hypers are just a few, but man are they loud
leaving the forum aside for a moment, you should check out the unprecedented ATP PR for Jannik.

Homecoming video (documentary), dressing room opinions on Jannik, ex number ones congratulations. It's an overdrive.

But it's necessary for their business so all is far, but to say Jannik is not generally rated is not true. He's always had the better PR (though Alcaraz' PR can get a bit nauseating too tbf).
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
leaving the forum aside for a moment, you should check out the unprecedented ATP PR for Jannik.

Homecoming video (documentary), dressing room opinions on Jannik, ex number ones congratulations. It's an overdrive.

But it's necessary for their business so all is far, but to say Jannik is not generally rated is not true. He's always had the better PR (though Alcaraz' PR can get a bit nauseating too tbf).

Let’s end this debate here.

Sinner is getting hype from the ATP because he just reached no. 1 ranking for the first time.

Now go over to the BBC sports page and check it daily for the next 12 months. You will see daily Alcaraz updates no matter how insignificant the tournament, and the praise for him will reach embarrassing levels. Just yesterday after beating Cerunmuglo, they use words like “electrifying and “sparkle” to describe him.

Again, I’m not criticising Alcaraz. This is not butthurt, this is just pure observation of the media. I am pointing out the clear hyping by the media for both of these men is roughly equal at the moment.
 
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FeroBango

Legend
Let’s end this debate here.

Sinner is getting hype from the ATP because he just reached no. 1 ranking for the first time.

Now go over to the BBC sports page and check it daily for the next 12 months. You will see daily Alcaraz updates no matter how insignificant the tournament, and the praise for him will reach embarrassing levels. Just yesterday after beating Cerunmuglo, they use words like “electrifying and “sparkle” to describe him.

Again, I’m not criticising Alcaraz. This is butthurt, this is just pure observation of the media. I am pointing out the clear hyping by the media for both of these men is roughly equal at the moment.
Not gonna disagree. But my point is, as far as tennis media goes, Sinner has replaced Alcaraz comfortably to the extent he's getting tributes made that never happened before.

All in all, the hype is good for the sport. It entices the casuals to go "hmm, Sinner huh? Lemme check him out I guess".
 

Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
Slam winning level can be ranked differently inside each players best potential level is what im saying, if Alcaraz slam winning level was reached at 19 years old, doesnt mean that hes gonna be worse than sinner at 25 right?

Youre making something out of this that its not.

Alcaraz was further up the trail than Sinner was in 2022 and developed faster. Same for Nadal compared to Federer.

Its really simple.

Its the poster who tried to use 2022 USO as some argument that Alcaraz would be better on HC.
 

Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
Sure, the player with half the winners dictated.

Delusional falls short of describing some Sinner fans.

half the winners, are you insane? lol

He did hit a hefty bit more winners, but that was mainly because Sinner lost his legs, cramped, etc.

Anyone who saw the first 10 games, knew that Sinner had him under wraps. Once he left that level, it became an open game.
 
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Deleted member 806402

Guest
I have already placed a hefty wager on Sinner for Wimbledon. I believe in the “point to prove” theory and how revenge can often be the best motivator. Sinner will come in hungry and focused.

Observe what happened in 2023. Novak beat Carlos due to his cramps at RG, Carlos turned around angry and scorned and proved a point on grass in 2023. It was all revenge and he listened to Ferrero more closely than ever before, because he was hyperfocused to prove a point.

Now, compare to this year, Carlos is already talking about the Olympics and doubles with Rafa, basking in his clay success.. I don’t think he’s got the same eye of the tiger for Wimbledon as he did last year. Sinner meanwhile has all the motivation in the world to go kick ass at Wimbledon.
This is precisely why we need Fonseca to end the cycle of hatred.
 
Only the first half of the year. From June on everything speeds up. Sinner will get him then. It will be a Fed/Nadal scenario

I’m not convinced either guy stays healthy though. I bet both are plagued by injuries within 2 years from now big time and missing tons of tournaments


Sinner is just too skinny(those twigs for legs and hips are gonna rupture) and Carlos is a demolition derby on the court running all over. They won’t have half the longevity of the big 3 IMO. Within 2-3 years both guys will be getting multiple surgeries. You can probably take that to the bank. The big 3 are a rarity. They aren’t the rule, they are the exception

They better get their titles now cause they won’t get them later
 
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Hawaiian grip

Professional
half the winners, are you insane? lol

He did hit a hefty bit more winners, but that was mainly because Sinner lost his legs, cramped, etc.

Anyone who saw the first 10 games, knew that Sinner had him under wraps. Once he left that level, it became an open game.
61 W vs 39
37 FH W vs 22
16 BH W vs 9

He hit more winners than Sinner every set, INCLUDING THE FIRST, except for the third when it was Alcaraz who was actually cramping.

Keep coping mate. Your boy got beaten fair and square.
 

Hawaiian grip

Professional
Youre making something out of this that its not.

Alcaraz was further up the trail than Sinner was in 2022 and developed faster. Same for Nadal compared to Federer.

Its really simple.

Its the poster who tried to use 2022 USO as some argument that Alcaraz would be better on HC.
Let's take a look at your "logic":

- Alcaraz developed early.
- I dislike Alcaraz.
- So surely he can't develop further.

And

- Sinner developed later.
- I like Sinner.
- So he still has a lot of room for improvement.

That's basically it. A 21 y.o. player is already "done" because you happen not to fancy him, while a 23 y.o. whom you like has the sky as a limit.

Reality, on the other hand:

- Most players keep improving past the age of 21 and 23, but younger players generally have a bigger upside because people mature later in all regards these days.

- Sinner looks like a pretty developed and consistent player already, and doesn't look like his game is gonna change much, while Alcaraz plays like a different player every match, sometimes even within the same match, which seem to indicate he's still figuring things out.

Alcaraz is one of the biggest technical prodigies in the history of the game, in a pretty meh era of tennis, so he has managed to win big even without being a mature player yet. But anyone paying attention has noticed he's still showing maturity issues almost every match. If he figures it out and learns to use all the ressources he has in his game, he's gonna be a bulldozer.
 
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tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I’m thinking 75-25 Sinner. Dude is going to be a beast 2 years from now.
How. Sinner is already in his prime, Alcaraz isn't and he's leading the h2h, Slam h2h and he's won 4 of the last 6 matches. Dont get me started on their achievements too.

So on what planet is Sinner going to dominate Alcaraz cause it certainly isn't going to be planet Earth.

In reality only injuries can't prevent the only sane scenario.

Actually, I think it's going to be even more one-sided than 75-25 once Alcaraz reaches his peak 2-3 years from now. Sinner should make the most out of this small 2-year windows that he has now when they are fairly evenly matched cause once Alcaraz takes over it's over.
 
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gqnelly

Rookie
Sinner's issue is that over five sets his lack of net game will get the best of him....he has improved but it still isn't nearly what it should be. Alcatraz also talks to his coach more than anyone and this helps him find adjustments mismatch....not a fan but it's the reality.
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
How. Sinner is already in his prime, Alcaraz isn't and he's leading the h2h, Slam h2h and he's won 4 of the last 6 matches. Dont get me started on their achievements too.

So on what planet is Sinner going to dominate Alcaraz cause it certainly isn't going to be planet Earth.

In reality only injuries can't prevent the only sane scenario.

Actually, I think it's going to be even more one-sided than 75-25 once Alcaraz reaches his peak 2-3 years from now. Sinner should make the most out of this small 2-year windows that he has now when they are fairly evenly matched cause once Alcaraz takes over it's over.

I was kidding. I just mirrored your dumb prediction of 75-25 to bait you into a wall text.

Also lol - Alcaraz leads the H2H by ONE match. One match!

You cannot keep making these ridiculous predictions based on a 4-5 H2H with both players still in their early 20s.

Alcaraz trolls are just as insufferable as Sinner trolls.

There also is ZERO EVIDENCE that Sinner or Alcaraz are in their prime or yet to reach their prime. This is nothing but speculation.

Djokovic did not reach his “prime” until he turned 23-24 and completed his 2011 season. So to suggest Sinner has already reached his prime at 22 without any explanation is troll bait.
 
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Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
We are also forgetting Boris Becker won two Wimbledon titles before he reached 19 years of age. If they had TTW in 1986 there would have been predictions of 30+ grand slams including 10 Wimbledon titles. None of that materialised.
 

FeroBango

Legend
61 W vs 39
37 FH W vs 22
16 BH W vs 9

He hit more winners than Sinner every set, INCLUDING THE FIRST, except for the third when it was Alcaraz who was actually cramping.

Keep coping mate. Your boy got beaten fair and square.
He may just be the worst of the Sintrolls the board has seen yet -- one that doesn't predict falsehoods bravely, but in fact cares not about the facts and straight up lies about things that have already happened.
 

FeroBango

Legend
Let's take a look at your "logic":

- Alcaraz developed early.
- I dislike Alcaraz.
- So surely he can't develop further.

And

- Sinner developed later.
- I like Sinner.
- So he still has a lot of room for improvement.

That's basically it. A 21 y.o. player is already "done" because you happen not to fancy him, while a 23 y.o. whom you like has the sky as a limit.

Reality, on the other hand:

- Most players keep improving past the age of 21 and 23, but younger players generally have a bigger upside because people mature later in all regards these days.

- Sinner looks like a pretty developed and consistent player already, and doesn't look like his game is gonna change much, while Alcaraz plays like a different player every match, sometimes even within the same match, which seem to indicate he's still figuring things out.

Alcaraz is one of the biggest technical prodigies in the history of the game, in a pretty meh era of tennis, so he has managed to win big even without being a mature player yet. But anyone paying attention has noticed he's still showing maturity issues almost every match. If he figures it out and learns to use all the ressources he has in his game, he's gonna be a bulldozer.
You're gonna get called a troll, mate, because such is the discourse from the man you've quoted.
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
He may just be the worst of the Sintrolls the board has seen yet -- one that doesn't predict bravely, but in fact cares not about the facts and straight up lies.

One cannot deny Alcaraz’s achievements currently outshine that of Sinner at a younger age. However I think Sinner has a lot of room to improve alongside his rival and is always expressing a willingness to do so.

All I want to see is a maturing rivalry between these two great players without these stupid fanboy predictions.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
@dking68 - what are your predictions for Sinner at WTF this year? I kind of like the idea of him going all-out during the indoor season and just hoovering up big titles, but that might mean he is running on fumes by the time WTF starts.
 

Hawaiian grip

Professional
We are also forgetting Boris Becker won two Wimbledon titles before he reached 19 years of age. If they had TTW in 1986 there would have been predictions of 30+ grand slams including 10 Wimbledon titles. None of that materialised.
More like you're forgetting that what we call early bloomers today was the relatively regular career path of a top player back then. Very different situation. Alcaraz nowadays is a one-off, literally the only elite early bloomer since Rafael himself. You should ask yourself why is it you're comparing him to Becker instead of Nadal...
 

FeroBango

Legend
One cannot deny Alcaraz’s achievements currently outshine that of Sinner at a younger age. However I think Sinner has a lot of room to improve alongside his rival and is always expressing a willingness to do so.

All I want to see is a maturing rivalry between these two great players without these stupid fanboy predictions.
Unrelated to my post though. But I fully agree. I am not particularly a Sinner fan, no, but even when he wasn't showing results, I did back him because in Sinner we had/have a young player who's consistently strived to improve.

It cannot be said about most players and it's precisely why he is the best in the world today.
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
More like you're forgetting that what we call early bloomers today was the relatively regular career path of a top player back then. Very different situation. Alcaraz nowadays is a one-off, literally the only elite early bloomer since Rafael himself. You should ask yourself why is it you're comparing him to Becker instead of Nadal...

You make a fair point. I was only comparing the youngest tennis players who win the big titles. Alcaraz is certainly special.
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
I disagree with almost 100% of your posts. But not with this one.

100% on the money!!!

And I'm an Alcaraz fan, but that ear-cupping ........ it's a double face palm.

Sinner did a similar thing in 2023 of putting a hand up as if to beckon the crowd. It didn’t look as annoying as the ear-cupping but it was still obnoxious.

Luckily for me, as a fan, he stopped all of that dead last year.
 

Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
Sinner did a similar thing in 2023 of putting a hand up as if to beckon the crowd. It didn’t look as annoying as the ear-cupping but it was still obnoxious.

Luckily for me, as a fan, he stopped all of that dead last year.
I'm a fan of both, Alcaraz and Sinner.

Alcaraz game is more exciting.

On court behavior, Sinner is a gentleman.
 

Pheasant

Legend
I can’t call this rivalry at this stage. Hopefully, we will see a lot more matches between the two of them to get a larger sample size. But even there, I don’t believe either one has peaked yet. Sinner will continue to work on his fitness and Alcaraz will continue to improve his servers.
 

Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
Age doesnt tell you a single thing about how close someone was to their peak, everybody and their mother knows that Alcaraz came to fruition sooner than Sinner. Who do you think has made the bigger strides since 2022 USO? This isnt rocket science.
I think Alcaraz has done more.

Alcaraz, since that fateful USO 22, has won 2 Slams, and 3 Masters.

Sinner got 1 Slam, and 1 Masters.

Sinner is doing well.

Alcaraz is doing better.

And all that based on facts, not opinions.
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
I think Alcaraz has done more.

Alcaraz, since that fateful USO 22, has won 2 Slams, and 3 Masters.

Sinner got 1 Slam, and 1 Masters.

Sinner is doing well.

Alcaraz is doing better.

And all that based on facts, not opinions.

I’m not sure why you disagree with me so much when I agree with you, apart from counting challenger wins to beef up the score.

Fact-based analysis > infinite slam predictions
 

FeroBango

Legend
I’m not sure why you disagree with me so much when I agree with you, apart from counting challenger wins to beef up the score.

Fact-based analysis > infinite slam predictions
Truly. It's just more practical to watch their careers unfold and be content with what they've already achieved.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
01. Alcaraz seems to not get tired in 5th set like others on your...his level is excellent at the end of the tournaments and this is a big thing.
02. Alcaraz also has more mental toughness than anyone except Djokovic, since Novak is nosediving we can say the coast is clear for Alcaraz as there is none to outclutch him.
03. Alcaraz also seems fastest man on tour now.

So keeping these 3 things in mind, Sinner will remain Alcaraz's pigeon on all surfaces (except indoors) unless one of these 3 points crease to exist....now mental toughness is not going anywhere ....maybe he could get tired in the 5th and also slow down on footspeed years from now but that's still some years away and Sinner himself is 2 years older....so it is not like Sinner is an ageless vampire ..he too will slow down.


So keeping these things in mind I am not sure how Sinner can break free from Alcaraz's grip unless there is a big injury to derail the little fella.

Put your money on Alcaraz for Wimbledon @Kralingen unless you think Djokovic will play and win in dramatic ways...
Disagree. We're still at the early stages of their rivalry & we don't know what's gonna happen next. Both are neck & neck, with Sinner having the technical matchup advantage & is the better ballstriker, as well as the better baseliner of the two; but Alcaraz has the benefit of being the better athlete, superior shotmaker & slightly more clutch.

I expect the rivalry to be as close as possible for rhe foreseeable future unless one of them declines sharply due to physical issues or otherwise.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
At this point I will give an edge to Alcz, but I think Sinner is more 'trainable', if you will. Look at his improvement just from the last year, then stellar improvement from the previous year before that even. All the way to the #1 spot. Where Alcz just has more natural ability and athleticism, think strategic changes will be tougher. But both have VERY good coaches and teams, so it certainly is going to be exciting!
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
Fonseca is finished. Losing to journeymen now

I got you some t shirts.


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