Alcaraz will get the better of Sinner in this rivalry ...

Alcaraz will get the better of Sinner more often than not


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Razer

G.O.A.T.
Disagree. We're still at the early stages of their rivalry & we don't know what's gonna happen next. Both are neck & neck, with Sinner having the technical matchup advantage & is the better ballstriker, as well as the better baseliner of the two; but Alcaraz has the benefit of being the better athlete, superior shotmaker & slightly more clutch.

I expect the rivalry to be as close as possible for rhe foreseeable future unless one of them declines sharply due to physical issues or otherwise.

If Alcaraz is major injury free till 30 then Sinner will be his pigeon, the so called matchup advantage which you say for Sinner is non existent... when was the last time Sinner beat Alcaraz in a slam ? ...
 

Rattie

Legend
IF and it has to be a big IF, Alcaraz isn’t beaten by his body, then my guess is that he overshadows Sinner. He is the more talented player. Jannik however possesses an advantage in the sense he is more clinical and is more than capable, injuries aside, of winning the mental battle as Carlos is more emotionally driven. None of us can possibly know how things will pan out so early in their careers but as a Carlos fan, I hope it goes his way.

Just my perspective.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
Disagree. We're still at the early stages of their rivalry & we don't know what's gonna happen next. Both are neck & neck, with Sinner having the technical matchup advantage & is the better ballstriker, as well as the better baseliner of the two; but Alcaraz has the benefit of being the better athlete, superior shotmaker & slightly more clutch.

I expect the rivalry to be as close as possible for rhe foreseeable future unless one of them declines sharply due to physical issues or otherwise.
yeah it's a good stylistic dynamic between them. i would imagine there will be days, particularly on hc, where sinner is particularly dialed in and just keeps carlos pinned back, and slugs his way to victory; and certainly other days where carlos dismantles the sinner game with variety and opportunistic aggression.

edge to carlos over time imo but should be fun to watch. i'm not usually a fan of the baseline grinders but sinner's groundies are fun to watch, they're just...exceptionally good, absolute top shelf off both wings.
 

dking68

Legend
@dking68 - what are your predictions for Sinner at WTF this year? I kind of like the idea of him going all-out during the indoor season and just hoovering up big titles, but that might mean he is running on fumes by the time WTF starts.
Wins the title. I don’t see anyone beating him indoors. Zverev can try as hard as he wants but Sinner is beating him comprehensively there
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
one thing that Sinner does better than Carlos is playing better high percentage tennis and doesn't make random unforced errors while playing his best. Alcaraz can be an error machine out of nowhere while trying to be very aggressive. This advantage can decide their rivalry.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
Wins the title. I don’t see anyone beating him indoors. Zverev can try as hard as he wants but Sinner is beating him comprehensively there
Don't count your chickens before they hatch, dude. Sinner struggles against Zverev's game for some reason, and before he turns it around, his fans should stop propagating such arrogance.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Wins the title. I don’t see anyone beating him indoors. Zverev can try as hard as he wants but Sinner is beating him comprehensively there
I have a feeling Sinner is going to be like a shark smelling blood in the water next time he plays Zverev. Ruthless efficiency.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch, dude. Sinner struggles against Zverev's game for some reason, and before he turns it around, his fans should stop propagating such arrogance.
Respect your opinion on this, and it is true Zverev has historically had some great wins over Sinner. But these guys are two totally different mental beasts nowadays. Zverev has yielded to his mental demons and Sinner has overcome them. I would expect Sinner to show just how big the mental gap is now the next time they meet in a big tournament.
 

dking68

Legend
Respect your opinion on this, and it is true Zverev has historically had some great wins over Sinner. But these guys are two totally different mental beasts nowadays. Zverev has yielded to his mental demons and Sinner has overcome them. I would expect Sinner to show just how big the mental gap is now the next time they meet in a big tournament.
I don’t see Zverev dominating this rivalry. Especially when he turns 30 which is only 3 years away and given his playing style, I expect a sudden drop in level in the next 2 years. The tall giants never last long on the tour. After the loss to Alcaraz, there’s no hope for him. He can vulture 500s and the occasional masters but when it matters most, I think Sinner and Alcaraz have that extra gear that he doesn’t have in a best of five.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Sinner will win every tournament he plays (and probably some he doesn’t enter) between now and 2035 if fit. Like Bull before him, he is now unbeatable unless injured.
o_O Carlitos will have big plans against this for sure. These two are going to be trying to kill each other on every ball for the next ten years.
 

dking68

Legend
Respect your opinion on this, and it is true Zverev has historically had some great wins over Sinner. But these guys are two totally different mental beasts nowadays. Zverev has yielded to his mental demons and Sinner has overcome them. I would expect Sinner to show just how big the mental gap is now the next time they meet in a big tournament.
And now ever since the USO loss, Sinner is a grand slam champion and a world number one. @Rafa4LifeEver mark my words, the next time Zverev plays Sinner it’s going to be ugly for the German.
 

Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
Let's take a look at your "logic":

- Alcaraz developed early.
- I dislike Alcaraz.
- So surely he can't develop further.

And

- Sinner developed later.
- I like Sinner.
- So he still has a lot of room for improvement.

That's basically it. A 21 y.o. player is already "done" because you happen not to fancy him, while a 23 y.o. whom you like has the sky as a limit.

Reality, on the other hand:

- Most players keep improving past the age of 21 and 23, but younger players generally have a bigger upside because people mature later in all regards these days.

- Sinner looks like a pretty developed and consistent player already, and doesn't look like his game is gonna change much, while Alcaraz plays like a different player every match, sometimes even within the same match, which seem to indicate he's still figuring things out.

Alcaraz is one of the biggest technical prodigies in the history of the game, in a pretty meh era of tennis, so he has managed to win big even without being a mature player yet. But anyone paying attention has noticed he's still showing maturity issues almost every match. If he figures it out and learns to use all the ressources he has in his game, he's gonna be a bulldozer.

No one said that Alcaraz cant develop further, just that he had developed sooner to a slam winning level than Sinner.

I only said this because 2022 US Open were used to try to prove that Sinner doesnt have the upper hand on HC.

Simples.
 

Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
I think Alcaraz has done more.

Alcaraz, since that fateful USO 22, has won 2 Slams, and 3 Masters.

Sinner got 1 Slam, and 1 Masters.

Sinner is doing well.

Alcaraz is doing better.

And all that based on facts, not opinions.

Do I have to spell out basic level IQ things here?

The question was a relative question. Relative to their own level.

Alcaraz has kept his level, where as Sinners has lifted since then, to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra).

Which is why at the 2022 US Open Alcaraz was 3rd and Sinner 11, and now Sinner is ranked 1 and Alcaraz 2.

Guys, this wasnt supposed to be a tough question, it was rhetorical lol. Sinner has made bigger strides since then.
 

Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
Let's not forget it was also a match that Alcaraz could've easily finished in 3 sets 63 75 75, he literally dug defeat out of the jaws of victory in sets 2 & 3 before undoing his own demise.

Youre being disingenous, if youre gonna talk about digging defeat out of the jaws of victory, then youd have to mention that Sinner first served for the 2nd set.

So no, thats not true. Sinner could have finished the 2nd set before Alcaraz did.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Sinner is at his peak athletically, there is no more room for maturing in terms of speed and athleticism, but he could hone his game more without dropping his speed and athleticism and so until 26-27 could sustain whatever he has now.
 

Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
Do I have to spell out basic level IQ things here?

The question was a relative question. Relative to their own level.

Alcaraz has kept his level, where as Sinners has lifted since then, to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra).

Which is why at the 2022 US Open Alcaraz was 3rd and Sinner 11, and now Sinner is ranked 1 and Alcaraz 2.

Guys, this wasnt supposed to be a tough question, it was rhetorical lol. Sinner has made bigger strides since then.
Do I have to spell out basic level IQ things here? You ask.

You don't have to, you'd only make a mess trying to explain "things" that are beyond your comprehension.

Then you say:

Alcaraz has kept his level, where as Sinners has lifted since then, to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra).
I'll explain to you what you just said, cause you probably don't know what you just said.

When you say "to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra)" I read that Sinner by way of reaching Alcaraz is at the same
level, and when you add " (and a little bit extra)" I read that Sinner has actually surpassed Alcaraz.

Then, I go back to the achievements to gauge who has pulled the greater accomplishments since that fateful USO 22.

And what I still see, is that Sinner has 1 Slam, 2 Masters, not bad at all.

But then, I stil see Alcaraz with 2 Slams, and 3 Masters, in the same period of time.

How you dare to tell anyone that they are not understanding what you are saying, when you are writing things
you don't understand?
 
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Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
Youre being disingenous, if youre gonna talk about digging defeat out of the jaws of victory, then youd have to mention that Sinner first served for the 2nd set.

So no, thats not true. Sinner could have finished the 2nd set before Alcaraz did.
Somebody on YouTube comment section said "Mugnnik Mugnner"
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
And now ever since the USO loss, Sinner is a grand slam champion and a world number one. @Rafa4LifeEver mark my words, the next time Zverev plays Sinner it’s going to be ugly for the German.
Let's see if they meet in Halle, I'd definitely give the slightest of edges to Sinner due to his better reflexes and ability to hit on the rise which could help him in neutral rallies.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
Zverev will never win a slam.
He should've closed it out in the 2020 USO Final itself when he led 2-0 & a break up against a physically struggling Thiem.
In 2024 RG final, he was lucky enough to have the 2-1 sets lead in the first place before getting destroyed 1 & 2 in next 2 sets, by an Alcaraz who by no means was playing his best tennis.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
I predict a 3 slam season + atp finals for Sinner along with 8 or so titles.
Why do you jump so much from one discussion to another like a ping pong ball? Please stop detailing the discussion. We were talking about Sinner's difficulties against Zverev, not their respective achievements.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
Respect your opinion on this, and it is true Zverev has historically had some great wins over Sinner. But these guys are two totally different mental beasts nowadays. Zverev has yielded to his mental demons and Sinner has overcome them. I would expect Sinner to show just how big the mental gap is now the next time they meet in a big tournament.
Man I understand, but the audacity & arrogance of Sinner fans gets to my nerve at times. Even before anything has happened, they'd start disrespecting his opponents & claiming that Sinner would win this & that and whatnot while being extremely cocky about it; and completely failing to own it after a setback.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
01. Alcaraz seems to not get tired in 5th set like others on your...his level is excellent at the end of the tournaments and this is a big thing.
02. Alcaraz also has more mental toughness than anyone except Djokovic, since Novak is nosediving we can say the coast is clear for Alcaraz as there is none to outclutch him.
03. Alcaraz also seems fastest man on tour now.

So keeping these 3 things in mind, Sinner will remain Alcaraz's pigeon on all surfaces (except indoors) unless one of these 3 points crease to exist....now mental toughness is not going anywhere ....maybe he could get tired in the 5th and also slow down on footspeed years from now but that's still some years away and Sinner himself is 2 years older....so it is not like Sinner is an ageless vampire ..he too will slow down.


So keeping these things in mind I am not sure how Sinner can break free from Alcaraz's grip unless there is a big injury to derail the little fella.

Put your money on Alcaraz for Wimbledon @Kralingen unless you think Djokovic will play and win in dramatic ways...

Putting aside all the intangibles I think Alcaraz will end up with a better career simply because he's a better mover and athlete. All things being roughly equal, I favour the ATG with better movement.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
In my opinion I think that Sinner has displayed better mental toughness, Carlos has amazing mental toughness, absolutely, but Sinner, to me, has shown better mental toughness in the way of coming back from being 1 or 2 sets down and breaking back. Alcaraz may have better mental toughness over long 5 sets, but I think the reason for that is that Sinners stamina, durability and endurance is not as good as Carlos, but he can build on that.

My money is on Sinner to have more wins over Alcaraz. But honestly it is to soon to tell.

Build on that, when exactly? He'll be 23 this year, that's usually when tennis players start to peak, especially when it comes to athleticism/physicality.
Agree that Sinner is tough mentally.
 
Putting aside all the intangibles I think Alcaraz will end up with a better career simply because he's a better mover and athlete. All things being roughly equal, I favour the ATG with better movement.
Sinner does have better reach so the movement factor is mitigated a bit. It is how Medvedev gets to so much **** despite looking hilariously uncoordinated.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Sinner does have better reach so the movement factor is mitigated a bit. It is how Medvedev gets to so much **** despite looking hilariously uncoordinated.

Fair point but it's not enough to offset Carlos' superior footspeed and being better at changing direction, plus having the stamina to do it all match long. I feel Sinner starts slowing down deep in the match while Carlos is Nadal like almost, he's running like a gazelle in the 5th set.
 
Fair point but it's not enough to offset Carlos' superior footspeed and being better at changing direction, plus having the stamina to do it all match long. I feel Sinner starts slowing down deep in the match while Carlos is Nadal like almost, he's running like a gazelle in the 5th set.
Yeah you just have to look at both factors together to make a full evaluation. I think you are probably right. Alcaraz moves with the power of Nadal but the grace of Federer. It is truly mesmerizing to watch, and because it has the grace of Federer you don't think it is going to press on him quite so much as Nadal. Sinner though is definitely not a terrible athlete so I think if he studies how Djokovic for example improved his own mobility over time he can reach some better parity in that department. He definitely feels inefficient but young Djokovic also felt much more inefficient than fine wine Djokovic does now.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Man I understand, but the audacity & arrogance of Sinner fans gets to my nerve at times. Even before anything has happened, they'd start disrespecting his opponents & claiming that Sinner would win this & that and whatnot while being extremely cocky about it; and completely failing to own it after a setback.
Fair
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Man I understand, but the audacity & arrogance of Sinner fans gets to my nerve at times. Even before anything has happened, they'd start disrespecting his opponents & claiming that Sinner would win this & that and whatnot while being extremely cocky about it; and completely failing to own it after a setback.
This is just what fans do and have always done. The obnoxiousness of fans rises when they win more. then it quiets down for awhile when they start losing. This has always been so.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
The great sportsman Djokovic always felt wolfish while Federer moved like a big cat. Sinner is built like a reddish greyhound while bulkier Alcaraz moves more gracefully. Medvedev, Zverev and Djokovic have shown extraordinary stamina just as Nadal.

We will see in some year who has the greater endurance, it is certainly not a forgone conclusion. For now Alcaraz has a clear edge, as demonstrated by his 5th set surges.
 

DariaGT

Professional
not voting, never do for BS, politics or crystal ball dreamers trolling their idols over others.

Sinner should of smashed Raz@RG no excuses as he is now rolling on the turf like my Dog after eating Cheese.
I rdont care who ends with the better career just hope to see beast tennis than never ending rallies.

Now just need the occultist ATP / Lawn Tennis flatulents to bring back real grass and faster balls.
I want to see servebots and all out aggressors go for broke and play to win not defend for charity.

Alpha tennis over Beta any day, so atm its looking great with these 2 young crushers.
The Beta passive aggressive hackery of ZevMeds must be made obsolete asap.
 

FeroBango

Legend
not voting, never do for BS, politics or crystal ball dreamers trolling their idols over others.

Sinner should of smashed Raz@RG no excuses as he is now rolling on the turf like my Dog after eating Cheese.
I rdont care who ends with the better career just hope to see beast tennis than never ending rallies.

Now just need the occultist ATP / Lawn Tennis flatulents to bring back real grass and faster balls.
I want to see servebots and all out aggressors go for broke and play to win not defend for charity.

Alpha tennis over Beta any day, so atm its looking great with these 2 young crushers.
The Beta passive aggressive hackery of ZevMeds must be made obsolete asap.
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Forgive Me Father

Hall of Fame
Do I have to spell out basic level IQ things here? You ask.

You don't have to, you'd only make a mess trying to explain "things" that are beyond your comprehension.

Then you say:

Alcaraz has kept his level, where as Sinners has lifted since then, to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra).
I'll explain to you what you just said, cause you probably don't know what you just said.

When you say "to reach Alcaraz (and a little bit extra)" I read that Sinner by way of reaching Alcaraz is at the same
level, and when you add " (and a little bit extra)" I read that Sinner has actually surpassed Alcaraz.

Then, I go back to the achievements to gauge who has pulled the greater accomplishments since that fateful USO 22.

And what I still see, is that Sinner has 1 Slam, 2 Masters, not bad at all.

But then, I stil see Alcaraz with 2 Slams, and 3 Masters, in the same period of time.

How you dare to tell anyone that they are not understanding what you are saying, when you are not writing things
you don't understand?

Do you understand the word relative?
 

DariaGT

Professional
Let them leap frog each other guys, this is only good for tennis.
Sinner is more efficient at playing like Rublev aka no B game
while Ctos is just good everywhere and mentally a tad weaker
as he is 2 years younger. Im enjoying their evolution.
 

Hawaiian grip

Professional
one thing that Sinner does better than Carlos is playing better high percentage tennis and doesn't make random unforced errors while playing his best. Alcaraz can be an error machine out of nowhere while trying to be very aggressive. This advantage can decide their rivalry.
Sinner used to spray around errors too. It's somewhat inherent to most young players. We should not forget he's still 21 years old.

My gut feeling is, as soon as Alcaraz gets it together and learns better when to pull the trigger, he's gonna dominate. He's winning mostly on raw talent even now.
 
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