Alize Cornet given code violation for changing shirt

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Then why is it OK in gymnastics and figure skating?

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Because those sports aren't tennis?
 
Appears it has nothing to do with her gender & everything to do with where she did it.

NEW YORK — The U.S. Open on Wednesday clarified its rules about players changing their shirts during a match after a women’s player was penalized for doing so.

The tournament said it regretted the code violation issued to Alize Cornet of France day earlier, a ruling that was criticized by people who thought it was unfair to women because male players frequently do it.

Cornet returned from a break in action during her match Tuesday with her shirt on backward. She took off the shirt and put it back on correctly while standing near the rear of the court and was given a code violation by the chair umpire.

The penalty drew criticism on social media, with people — including Andy Murray’s mother, Judy — noting that men frequently change their shirts while sitting in their chairs during changeovers.

"The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the US Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court," the women’s tour said in a statement. "The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports. This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong."

U.S. Open officials said all players can change their shirts when sitting in the player chair, adding that women can also change their shirts in a private location near the court if it is available without being assessed a bathroom break.

Cornet, who was playing in a doubles match Wednesday, was given no further penalty or fine.
 
Appears it has nothing to do with her gender & everything to do with where she did it.

NEW YORK — The U.S. Open on Wednesday clarified its rules about players changing their shirts during a match after a women’s player was penalized for doing so.

The tournament said it regretted the code violation issued to Alize Cornet of France day earlier, a ruling that was criticized by people who thought it was unfair to women because male players frequently do it.

Cornet returned from a break in action during her match Tuesday with her shirt on backward. She took off the shirt and put it back on correctly while standing near the rear of the court and was given a code violation by the chair umpire.

The penalty drew criticism on social media, with people — including Andy Murray’s mother, Judy — noting that men frequently change their shirts while sitting in their chairs during changeovers.

"The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the US Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court," the women’s tour said in a statement. "The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports. This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong."

U.S. Open officials said all players can change their shirts when sitting in the player chair, adding that women can also change their shirts in a private location near the court if it is available without being assessed a bathroom break.

Cornet, who was playing in a doubles match Wednesday, was given no further penalty or fine.

How can one properly virtue signal when you bring facts into the situation
 
'Lovin' it--sports-bra-gate--this will bring much needed attention to tennis--it will be all over the medias tonight. It's a nothing burger of an event. Just shows how Puritancial tennis is--until the clubbies get a couple of wines under their belts.

Enjoying ESPN's talking heads consternation over this outrage against women's rights. It's HOT in that broadcast booth--would love it if sweet little virtual signaler Chris McKendry would do her bit in her undies--in Russia they have the "Naked News"--they are so far more advanced there.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
ridiculous... unless there's some rule about changing clothes "on the court" (ie. only allowed to make clothing changes near/at your bench).
(ie in football there are rules: https://www.quora.com/Why-are-football-players-booked-for-taking-their-shirts-off)
i wouldn't be surprised if the ump was some european football fan...

[edit] davenport, mentioned it might have been combined with an already long bathroom break.
Yes but it was unsportsmanlike conduct, not a time violation
 
So gender is supposedly not relevant even though there is a private location where women can protect their modesty.

Virtue signalling in the real sense, not the phony sense.

Women have long been discriminated against in that they are unable to go topless in public unlike men, even here they apparently might not want to be seen wearing a sports bra for a matter of seconds. While at the same time men are de-sexualised to where they can be topless during breaks in play with nowhere to hide should they feel the need-even though sometimes like Nadal they are wolf-whistled at by female members of the audience & drooled over by the likes of Sue Barker, Judy Murray & some female players on television & social media with nary an outcry, while of course as soon as Andrew Castle or whoever says anything about a a female players appearance being aesthetically pleasing he is a sex offender.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I don't wish to be pedantic but Cornet didn't even change her shirt. She re-arrannged it. When was the last time anyone was sanctioned for re-arranging their clothing?

Women have long been discriminated against in that they are unable to go topless in public unlike men, even here they apparently might not want to be seen wearing a sports bra for a matter of seconds. While at the same time men are de-sexualised to where they can be topless during breaks in play with nowhere to hide should they feel the need-even though sometimes like Nadal they are wolf-whistled at by female members of the audience & drooled over by the likes of Sue Barker, Judy Murray & some female players on television & social media with nary an outcry, while of course as soon as Andrew Castle or whoever says anything about a a female players appearance being aesthetically pleasing he is a sex offender.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
"The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the US Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court," the women’s tour said in a statement. "The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports. This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong."

U.S. Open officials said all players can change their shirts when sitting in the player chair, adding that women can also change their shirts in a private location near the court if it is available without being assessed a bathroom break.
Is this the case even if a woman is wearing nothing underneath her shirt? Or what she is wearing underneath would be "revealing" if she wasn't wearing a shirt?

Or let's just imagine an undershirt / bra that is very sweaty. For example, could Daniela Hantuchova change her shirt on court?

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r2473

G.O.A.T.
The penalty drew criticism on social media, with people — including Andy Murray’s mother, Judy — noting that men frequently change their shirts while sitting in their chairs during changeovers.

"The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the US Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court," the women’s tour said in a statement. "The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports. This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong."

U.S. Open officials said all players can change their shirts when sitting in the player chair, adding that women can also change their shirts in a private location near the court if it is available without being assessed a bathroom break.

Cornet, who was playing in a doubles match Wednesday, was given no further penalty or fine.

Carlos Bernardes famously refused to allow Nadal to go back into the tunnel so he could put his shorts back on the right way round. He just sat and laughed while Nadal had to use a towel by his chair. Nadal got the ATP to ban him from umpiring any of Nadal's matches for a while but I'm not sure if Cornet has the same kind of leverage with the ITF.

Can men and women change their shorts on court? Or only men? If so, does it need to be under a towel, or can they do it on center court if they wish? Does it matter what they are wearing underneath?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They'd probably go with the argument that the act can't be contrary to law, so it might depend on whether public nudity is criminalised.

The fact is that nakedness in men and women is defined differently.

But it's also a fact that men would have a problem with the law if they were required to cover up their torsos on the beach.

And some women have difficulties accepting that this is immodesty even if the general law assumes that it is.

The difference is clearly eroding however.

Is this the case even if a woman is wearing nothing underneath her shirt?
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
If I were a “journeyman” on the WTA tour with a decent body, I’d be “first mover” on this and make taking off my shirt during my match my “signature move”.

I’d blow Bouchard out of the water and make more money than most of the women on tour.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Can men and women change their shorts on court? Or only men? If so, does it need to be under a towel, or can they do it on center court if they wish? Does it matter what they are wearing underneath?

The USTA has since issued a statement that it is permissable only if the player is seated in a chair.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Cornay is definitely not a French pronunciation.

The french "o" sound in Cornet is different from the english "o" sound. Most know the Beatles song "Obladi, oblada". The "o" sound there is pretty close. The latter part / second syllable - [Cor]net - is pronounced similar to the first syllable of ne[gotiation].
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You change your shirt at the chair in any event because you keep your spare shirts in a bag by the chair.

Cornet was not changing her shirt. She was re-arranging it. This is perfectly legal in practice, by the way:

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The USTA has since issued a statement that it is permissable only if the player is seated in a chair.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
No, they were referring to the shirt incident.
I’d still make this work. Especially if there isn’t any time restrictions on how long it can take (most of the changeover), how often you can do it, and what you have to wear underneath.

I’d team up Nike, Addis, etc. It would be well known I was going to take my shirt off (several times) during my matches. Stands would be full. Cameras on me waiting. Not only would guys get to look at my body, but much attention would be on my shirt and bra. I’d change it up so it was always an anticipated event so see what I’m wearing. Huge clothing contract.

But you have to move first. And have the right body
 

Purplemonster

Hall of Fame
Is this the case even if a woman is wearing nothing underneath her shirt? Or what she is wearing underneath would be "revealing" if she wasn't wearing a shirt?

Or let's just imagine an undershirt / bra that is very sweaty. For example, could Daniela Hantuchova change her shirt on court?

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I thought Tennis was a summer sport.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Yes, well, you are stretching the point here as then the act becomes a promotion which would be regulated by other rules.

I’d still make this work. Especially if there isn’t any time restrictions on how long it can take (most of the changeover), how often you can do it, and what you have to wear underneath.

I’d team up Nike, Addis, etc. It would be well known I was going to take my shirt off (several times) during my matches. Stands would be full. Cameras on me waiting. Not only would guys get to look at my body, but much attention would be on my shirt and bra. I’d change it up so it was always an anticipated event so see what I’m wearing. Huge clothing contract.

But you have to move first. And have the right body
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
The french "o" sound in Cornet is different from the english "o" sound. Most know the Beatles song "Obladi, oblada". The "o" sound there is pretty close. The latter part / second syllable - [Cor]net - is pronounced similar to the first syllable of ne[gotiation].
Correct, the last syllable actually is the biggest deviation, it should not sound as a vowel diphthong.
Also Merlot is not Mer-LOW, but Mer-LOH.
As English does not have these vowels sounds in the tonic last syllables of words, it’s hard for English speakers.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Was he wearing a sports bra in order to maintain modesty? - a manziere, in Seinfeld speak.

Nadal just took his shirt off on court after his win

And he was standing, not seated in a chair.

Should he have been disqualified?
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
I'm not getting the Sania Mirza reference. Please enlighten me. Alize should claim she was only trying to be American like Brandi Chastain and why not give Serena a code violation for wearing a catsuit?

OP is a creepy pervert. Hope you are enlightened.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Correct, the last syllable actually is the biggest deviation, it should not sound as a vowel diphthong.
Also Merlot is not Mer-LOW, but Mer-LOH.
As English does not have these vowels sounds in the tonic last syllables of words, it’s hard for English speakers.

Nobody I know, or at least those who know the slightest thing about wine, ever pronounces Merlot as Mer-Low.
 
I don't wish to be pedantic but Cornet didn't even change her shirt. She re-arrannged it. When was the last time anyone was sanctioned for re-arranging their clothing?

Only Nadal when he is rearranging his shorts etc during serving & gets a time violation.
 
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