All of this hype over a H2H is insane

Dominic & Andrey said:
It's just funny and a tad satisfying to mention now when thinking back at how insufferable and arrogant some Sinner fans here were early 2024, at times even clearly not taking Carlos seriously as a rival, or considering him inferior to Sinner or whatever. "Peak Sinner finally arrived, Alcaraz stands no chance anymore against him", yeah right. Sampras Bruguera or whatever his newest account was called, who used to call Carlos by the very pleasant moniker of "Teeth", must be seething now, and it is fully deserved. Spamming "3-0" isn't really directed towards Sinner himself.
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I lean toward Sinner but mostly based on petty stuff like his South Tyrolean background, but I do hate these big announcements people make after every victory for their player. The same thing that the Sinner stans did after AO happened after Carlos won Wimbledon. I don't know when this started with Sincaraz but it has certainly ramped up to low IQ levels in 2024.

In terms of this forum, there are only 1-2 annoying Sinner accounts. I have spotted more than triple the number of Carlos accounts that are absolutely insufferable. Perhaps you just have them on ignore but it's getting ridiculous how many of these people I have had to block on twitter.
 
It's one of the stats we use to measure things, but obviously it shouldn't be the only one.
That being said Sinner has played well this year, but so has Alcaraz and besides that he is 3-0 in h2h. And in all 3 of those victories he ended up winning the title, including a slam. So this metric isn't as shallow as you think, at least in this case.
 
It's also funny when people say "computer #1" or "numbers bla bla bla". Isn't all of this numbers? The H2h is numbers, the W/L is numbers, the title count is numbers. You have your favourite player and you have the numbers.
 
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Daniel Andrade said:
It's one of the stats we use to measure things, but obviously it shouldn't be the only one.
That being said Sinner has played well this year, but so has Alcaraz and besides that he is 3-0 in h2h. And in all 3 of those victories he ended up winning the title, including a slam. So this metric isn't as shallow as you think, at least in this case.
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I predicted Sinner would lose this final ever since WADA announced its appeal of the Sinner case. Everybody was saying Sinner's level/form was far below expectations and that Carlos was on top form. Surprise surprise, he wins the title. Now the stans are saying Sinner played "lights out" in a classic manoeuvre to throw shade on Sinner's talent. It's never about just celebrating the win, it's always got to involve negativity.
 
islappadaface said:
I predicted Sinner would lose this final ever since WADA announced its appeal of the Sinner case. Everybody was saying Sinner's level/form was far below expectations and that Carlos was on top form. Surprise surprise, he wins the title. Now the stans are saying Sinner played "lights out" in a classic manoeuvre to throw shade on Sinner's talent. It's never about just celebrating the win, it's always got to involve negativity.
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New coping mechanism
 
Lleytonstation said:
Clearly Carlos is not better on Hards... as has been proven by everything but head to head, so clearly there is a matchup issue.

Sinner is better on HCs. That is a FACT.
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It's funny. In 2022 & 23, a lot of people were saying it was Sinner who had a match-up advantage over Alcaraz. Alcaraz was the higher-ranked, more successful player, and yet Sinner led the head-to-head 4-2 in that span. This year it's basically reversed: Sinner ranked higher and overall more successful, yet Alcaraz has gone 3-0.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
New coping mechanism
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Lol stop being disingenuous. I saw it with my own eyes. It's the same level I saw Sinner play ever since his legal battle with the ITIA in April. He still has not returned to the form he found after winning the AO. Commentators have been saying it, every online space has people acknowledging his dip in form. Just put yourself in Sinner's shoes for a minute. He was smiling more, he seemed genuinely happy to be on the court. Ever since then he has been a shadow, just not enjoying it at all and that has shown in the level, and everybody else has said much to the same effect. It's sad and I want this nonsense to end so both players can compete at the top of their levels.
 
tudwell said:
It's funny. In 2022 & 23, a lot of people were saying it was Sinner who had a match-up advantage over Alcaraz. Alcaraz was the higher-ranked, more successful player, and yet Sinner led the head-to-head 4-2 in that span. This year it's basically reversed: Sinner ranked higher and overall more successful, yet Alcaraz has gone 3-0.
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So maybe. at 23 and 21 they have a long way to go, and any strong statements right now are just pointless and inaccurate.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
You make a valid point but for how long are we going to keep counting sinner trolls ? I suggest people just put 5 sinner accounts on ignore and we will have much better quality.
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Hype was much worse and senseless before wimbledon, now its actually average, so i dont really mind, from my side, there wont be any more retaliation, i Will just give my honest opinión on things
 
mike danny said:
I am talking exclusively about this season though
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Razer said:
If somebody says that the H2H between 2 similar aged players who are at the top of the game does not matter then it means they don't understand sports, rivalries.

Embarrassing
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My point is we don't know yet because the rivalry is in its infancy. Granted, Sinner should get some more wins in (and soon) to give himself a morale boost over his biggest rival, but other than that, it isn't that important to have a couple of more losses to Carlos if both players continue to sweep titles. It is certainly too early to predict that either player somehow has already won the rivalry or dominates the other. Too many variables are included in that.

I want to see a season where Sinner is not battling tribunals in the courts and Carlos has no injury.
 
NeutralFan said:
Don't think Sinner fans care too much about Mickey mouse 500 when he won USo in a dominant style and is a lock for AO ( he will win AO for sure)
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“Is a lock for AO”. Lmao you better hope and pray to whichever God you believe in that Alcaraz has yet another slow start to the year. Alcaraz is coming to the CYGS next year. It’s all on Alcaraz’s hands to be fair. After all, he has an obviously higher ceiling than Binner. Which he has proved time and time again.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Clearly Carlos is not better on Hards... as has been proven by everything but head to head, so clearly there is a matchup issue.

Sinner is better on HCs. That is a FACT.
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Is this the best cope you can come up with? There is literally no matchup issue. There is a clear talent gap though.
 
Krish0608 said:
“Is a lock for AO”. Lmao you better hope and pray to whichever God you believe in that Alcaraz has yet another slow start to the year. Alcaraz is coming to the CYGS next year. It’s all on Alcaraz’s hands to be fair. After all, he has an obviously higher ceiling than Binner. Which he has proved time and time again.
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Ah, so you admit that players like Alcaraz can only lose because they have a "slow start"? So will you now provide full credit to Sinner for achieving the 2 GS + 6 titles in 2024 despite battling international courts and tribunals effectively "slowing" him down? Because I think Sinner's rivals are enjoying Sinner's slowness right now ;)
 
Let's move this thread from Sinner fannatics trying to control the conversation to something Positive.
Alcaraz since Madrid loss

Beats Tsitsipas Sinner Zverev to win RG
Beats Tiafoe Medvedev Djokovic to win Wimbledon
Reaches Olympics final losing to the GOAT
Wins matches vs Fritz/Shelton and wins for team europe
Thrashes Griekspoor, beats Medvedev Sinner to win Beijing

Incredible run he is on.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Let's move this thread from Sinner fannatics trying to control the conversation to something Positive.
Alcaraz since Madrid loss

Beats Tsitsipas Sinner Zverev to win RG
Beats Tiafoe Medvedev Djokovic to win Wimbledon
Reaches Olympics final losing to the GOAT
Wins matches vs Fritz/Shelton and wins for team europe
Thrashes Griekspoor, beats Medvedev Sinner to win Beijing

Incredible run he is on.
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I'm not trying to control the conversation, I just have an opinion you disagree with. This is a forum, and we're all entitled to our opinions.

Also you are a hypocrite because you were a Sinner fanatic yesterday and now you've done a 180 degree swivel just because Sinner lost a final, it's akin to a high school drama.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
What are you insinuating OP?
You have joined TODAY. I don't want to be banned for calling duplicate accounts but you can not realistically know what I posted till Yesterday when you joined today.

Do others agree?
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either he went on the forum to just check it out.
or this is some bozo’s alt acc who doesn’t want to get flamed.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
What are you insinuating OP?
You have joined TODAY. I don't want to be banned for calling duplicate accounts but you can not realistically know what I posted till Yesterday when you joined today.

Do others agree? @GloW ?
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Lol don't you realise you can see posts on this forum without being a member?
 
GloW said:
the only tournaments sinner wins are the ones where the draws fall apart
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Hilarious clown post. "The only tournaments Sinner wins are the ones where his rivals lose to journeymen"

Also I didn't realise Medvedev and Djokovic were journeymen.
 
GloW said:
in another thread you made you said to @Federer and Del Potro that “weren’t you people
crying for almost a month because you thought sinner “got away with it.”” implying that you have been on this forum for at least a month.
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Yes. I check MTF and reddit too. I like to see peoples' opinions and sadly I stumble upon a lot of clown opinions also.
 
islappadaface said:
Hilarious clown post. "The only tournaments Sinner wins are the ones where his rivals lose to journeymen"

Also I didn't realise Medvedev and Djokovic were journeymen.
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bad form djokovic and exhausted medvedev? and he was tested positive for doping then? what about the other tournaments? miami against dimitrov? Cincinatti against tiafoe and zverev the choker himself? US open against Taylor Fritz? some deserved wins those are lol.
 
islappadaface said:
It's also funny when people say "computer #1" or "numbers bla bla bla". Isn't all of this numbers? The H2h is numbers, the W/L is numbers, the title count is numbers. You have your favourite player and you have the numbers.
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Yes, a particularly dumb criticism is, "He/she is only no. 1 on paper!" Well, of course. All rankings are just the product of calculations. No one receives an anointment from on high.
 
GloW said:
bad form djokovic and exhausted medvedev? and he was tested positive for doping then? what about the other tournaments? miami against dimitrov? Cincinatti against tiafoe and zverev the choker himself? US open against Taylor Fritz? some deserved wins those are lol.
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Sinner beat Medvedev to win Miami. He beat Zverev to win Cincinnati. He beat Medvedev to win the US Open. Your attempts to call these fluke runs are very low effort.
 
I have not once in my life seen what MTF is. TTW is very good place.
Reddit is OK but when you can get Downvoted, its not a good place.
 
islappadaface said:
Sinner beat Medvedev to win Miami. He beat Zverev to win Cincinnati. He beat Medvedev to win the US Open. Your attempts to call these fluke runs are very low effort.
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bad form medvedev miami ,choking zverev, and horrible form Medvedev open, How many times do I have to repeat myself?
 
Tbh 3 matches is still a low sample size. If they play like 2 more times and Alcatraz goes something like 4-1 or 5-0, then that definitely says something, especially since Sinner has beat up the rest of the field like the 2006 example you brought up.
 
GloW said:
bad form medvedev miami ,choking zverev, and horrible form Medvedev open, How many times do I have to repeat myself?
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So they all had bad form/choked, but of course Sinner has never choked and was always in constant 110% top form right?

How old are you, seriously? Do you write draft posts in crayon?
 
islappadaface said:
Last time I checked, the H2H was 6-4. Where is this 3-0 coming from?
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3-0 in 2024. Alcaraz beat Sinner this year in the semi final of Indian Wells (1-6, 6-3, 6-2), in the semi final of the French Open (2-6, 6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3) and in the final of Beijing (6-7, 6-4, 7-6).

Another big match in the past was the 2022 US Open quarter final, which Alcaraz won 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 7-5, 6-3.

Sinner's biggest win over Alcaraz was at 2022 Wimbledon, winning 6-1, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3, in the fourth round, which is Alcaraz's last loss at Wimbledon to date.
 
Mustard said:
3-0 in 2024. Alcaraz beat Sinner this year in the semi final of Indian Wells (1-6, 6-3, 6-2), in the semi final of the French Open (2-6, 6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3) and in the final of Beijing (6-7, 6-4, 7-6).

Another big match in the past was the 2022 US Open quarter final, which Alcaraz won 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 7-5, 6-3.

Sinner's biggest win over Alcaraz was at 2022 Wimbledon, winning 6-1, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3, in the fourth round, which is Alcaraz's last loss at Wimbledon to date.
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I honestly would have been upset if Carlos lost today. Especially with Sinner having Novaks team now :sick: beat his ass Carlos :D
 
islappadaface said:
Long-time lurker here and I have to say what a topsy-turvy match as usual from Sincaraz. Brilliant in moments, lots of UEs, but I think that's because these two young stars get quite nervous due to the media buzz around whenever they play. Having said that, I've noticed a lot of repetitive talk of the H2H this year. The H2H between Alcaraz-Sinner is now 6-4, with 2024 giving Alcaraz 3-0. This has been hyped to death on this board, which I have noticed includes a lot more Carlos fans than Sinner fans, which is expected because Carlos has the flashier game which invites the likes of casual and online fans.

However, hindsight will make this forum realise (I hope) how useless this stat actually is.

2023: Sinner's H2H with Alcaraz stood at 2-1 in Sinner's favour, yet nobody would possibly be stupid as to suggest Sinner was the better player that year. Sinner also led the H2H in 2022. Now let's go back a bit further...

2006: Federer wins 3/4 slams + WTF. His H2H with Nadal for that year was still 4-2 in Nadal's favour. Some may say Nadal was better but most say Federer was dominant this pretty much ends that discussion.

Long story short: The H2H is one of the most useless stats out there and tells us virtually nothing if judged alone. That's why a certain fanbase has been over-reliant on the H2H in 2024 when in previous years they were conveniently missing that out of the conversation, largely because they could fallback on titles. They can't do that this year, so the H2H is suddenly front and centre.

My advice is to just enjoy the great rivalry developing and stop the constant threads by these fan accounts. After the AO 2024 the Sinner-stanning was ridiculous and was rightly pushed back, yet over the summer months we saw this momentum shift dramatically, and both fanbases appear to be reverting to Big 3-tier war camps, now throwing missiles at each other. I hope this is just an online thing and most fans can just enjoy the tennis because Sinner and Alcaraz themselves clearly respect each other and make each other better during their matches. So if you're a Sinner fan, you should love it when he loses to Carlos because Sinner will go away and improve. The same is true for when Carlos loses to Sinner.
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H2H is not useless! It just seems to get a lot of weight after a close match.
 
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