All of Wawrinka fascinanting,mind blowing statistic

lud

Hall of Fame
Only 3 winning matches versus No.1 -- all 3 in GS finals

Bad h2h versus Djokovic - but he won 2 most important matches

Bad h2h versus Nadal - but he defeat him in most important match (after Nadal won all 12 meetings without losing even set!)

Bad h2h versus Federer - 3:18 overall, but he defeat Fed in MC(only masters missing in Fed collection) and quite impressive RG 15 win in QF

After losing two epic,monumental matches against Djok. in 2013(Us Open and Aus.Open) 99% players would never recovered.Not Stan,that only makes him even more dangerous.

Winning GS after saving match point.

Remain cool after Nadal and Djokovic trying to destroy his momentum in GS finals with fake MTO.

Not a top 10 win in whole year, until Us Open final.

Defeat Djokovic after losing 1st in GS finals. TWICE in Djokovic prime.

Won tie-break vs. Nadal on clay with insane comeback from 2-6.I can't remember anybody who did same to Nadal.

In DC 14 final, after Fed lose against Monfils,he remain focus and schooled Tsonga in France. With a pure pressure on him.Truly big matches man.

FASCINANTING. I'm I forget something?
 

TU87

Rookie
Stan was asked in the post match presser why he thinks he plays the finals of the grand slams so well and yet has a bad h2h against the top players at most other events. He said that the Grand Slam format best of 5 and a day off in between helps him play his way into the tournament and that with each victory he gains confidence so by time he gets to the final he truly believes he can defeat anyone.
 

lud

Hall of Fame
Only player in 6 years who defeat Djokovic in Australian Open.

One of the very few players who has more GS than masters.( I can think of Gaudio,Kafelnikov,Del Potro maybe Wilander)

And ALL that stats in age of 29-31. Wow. In very tough era with three of top 10 players evah.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Remain cool after Nadal and Djokovic trying to destroy his momentum in GS finals with fake MTO.
Won tie-break vs. Nadal on clay with insane comeback from 2-6.I can't remember anybody who did same to Nadal.

How the **** was that a fake MTO by Rafa, he couldn't move for ****. Smh at the nonsense some people say

It was at indoor hard in Paris, not on clay. Some memory you got there.
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
Couldn't move eh? Then how do you explain this?


You mean Stan having a mental drop because Rafa was playing so bad?
You can't possibly think that Rafa wasn't heavily injured in that match. He wasn't moving around at all, tried to end the points with 1 or 2 shots. Couldn't serve above 170k and averaged 115 on second serve for a lot of the match. Add that to him being in tears because injury had yet again robbed him of a really good shot at the AO
 

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
You mean Stan having a mental drop because Rafa was playing so bad?
You can't possibly think that Rafa wasn't heavily injured in that match. He wasn't moving around at all, tried to end the points with 1 or 2 shots. Couldn't serve above 170k and averaged 115 on second serve for a lot of the match. Add that to him being in tears because injury had yet again robbed him of a really good shot at the AO

Sure believe what you like!
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
A distinction to be made between Rafa being injured (which I believe to be true and not gamesmanship), and Rafa losing only because he was injured (which I doubt, given Wawrinka's form).

I know, I therefore say that he was robbed of a great chance, deffo not a certainty but had he been able to play at his SF level against Fed, he would have had a really good chance of winning against Stan
 

Flash O'Groove

Hall of Fame
In DC 14 final, after Fed lose against Monfils,he remain focus and schooled Tsonga in France. With a pure pressure on him.Truly big matches man.

The best part is that despite Tsonga and Wawrinka are friends, Tsonga was bitter than Stan won the AO2014 and said that if he had the luck to play against an injured Nadal in a slam final, he could win too. He then lost the DC final in France, and lost again the Roland-Garros SF in 2015.
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
The best part is that despite Tsonga and Wawrinka are friends, Tsonga was bitter than Stan won the AO2014 and said that if he had the luck to play against an injured Nadal in a slam final, he could win too. He then lost the DC final in France, and lost again the Roland-Garros SF in 2015.

Well what can you say Tsonga is a loser. He had his big shot in 2008 AO final against still 'wet behind the ears' Djokovic and blew it.
 

Flash O'Groove

Hall of Fame
Well what can you say Tsonga is a loser. He had his big shot in 2008 AO final against still 'wet behind the ears' Djokovic and blew it.

Hum it was his first final against one of the very best player ever, I don't think it's too fair to hold him a grudge for this one. In my opinion his big loss is being straight setted in a RG SF by Ferrer in 2013. If you can't go through the second tier, shut your mouth when one of your friend beat Djokovic, Berdych and Nadal back to back to win a slam.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Sure believe what you like!
Check back to his peak in 2013. Check his serve. Check the speed. Then look at the video you linked to. Watch as he struggles to get the serve in at around 140 kmh.

It was pretty obvious he was hurting. I seemed to remember he took something for pain.

No disrespect to Wawrinka, but obviously he had a huge let-down in that set.

In fact, this was the precise point at which I saw Rafa suddenly fall off a cliff re his serve and service game. It was night and day.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Stanimal is one fascinating animal. His achievements begun only shortly after him teaming up with Magnus Normann. Before Normann, he had only reached a few QFs in slams. Since Normann, he has 3 GS titles, 4 SFs, 3 QFs. Incredible late bloom for Stan! And what a successful team :) Great for tennis!
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
In DC 14 final, after Fed lose against Monfils,he remain focus and schooled Tsonga in France. With a pure pressure on him.Truly big matches man.

FASCINANTING. I'm I forget something?

Stan played the first tie against Tsonga before Fed lost to Monfils, but yes apart from that mind-boggling stats when it comes to the big stages.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Stanimal is one fascinating animal. His achievements begun only shortly after him teaming up with Magnus Normann. Before Normann, he had only reached a few QFs in slams. Since Normann, he has 3 GS titles, 4 SFs, 3 QFs. Incredible late bloom for Stan! And what a successful team :) Great for tennis!

Norman.
 

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
You're the one believing what you want as 99% of the tennis world knows that Rafa's back gave in that match

Dude 1% of the tennis world is millions of people. So even if we believe your number (and it's probably actually closer to 50%), that's literally millions of people who think he's a cheat!!!
 

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
Check back to his peak in 2013. Check his serve. Check the speed. Then look at the video you linked to. Watch as he struggles to get the serve in at around 140 kmh.

It was pretty obvious he was hurting. I seemed to remember he took something for pain.

No disrespect to Wawrinka, but obviously he had a huge let-down in that set.

In fact, this was the precise point at which I saw Rafa suddenly fall off a cliff re his serve and service game. It was night and day.

Here are my three observations on this:

1. Stan took down Djokovic earlier in that tournament.
2. In the first two sets nadals serve speeds were fine relative to us open 2013 and he was destroyed.
3. After winning RG 2014 Nadal has not done anything of note at majors on clay or off.

Put all of this together and one is forced to conclude, EVEN IF HIS BACK HAD NOT GIVEN WAY, that Wawrinka's level was just much higher than anything Nadal was going to bring that day!

So the discussion about the back is kind of moot.

For the record I do believe that he was pretending he had a back injury and playing possum afterwards - it is in keeping with a long and established trend of nadal being "unfortunately" afflicted with an injury when down in an important match but never when winning. It's not something we can ever objectively agree on. But as I demonstrated above it's a moot discussion!
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
There's this guy called Claude Lemieux a retired NHL player. Guy coasted most seasons until playoffs. When asked why he said nobody remembers good regular seasons and that he wasn't good enough to be a Gretzky or Mario but he'd work his ass of in the playoffs to get the prize.

Won 4 Cups with 3 different teams including playoff MVP in 1995.
 
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Put all of this together and one is forced to conclude, EVEN IF HIS BACK HAD NOT GIVEN WAY, that Wawrinka's level was just much higher than anything Nadal was going to bring that day!

So the discussion about the back is kind of moot.

For the record I do believe that he was pretending he had a back injury and playing possum afterwards - it is in keeping with a long and established trend of nadal being "unfortunately" afflicted with an injury when down in an important match but never when winning. It's not something we can ever objectively agree on. But as I demonstrated above it's a moot discussion!

Rafa was injured during some part of the AO '14 match against wawrinka, agree that it may not have changed the result if he hadn't been.

Your other point is hard to back up. In the AO '11 SF against Ferrer he was injured and lost. It's just hard to imagine that Ferrer would have beaten him if he hadn't been injured, or that he was pretending because Ferrer was getting the better of him. This was the final slam for completion of a Rafa slam since he was holding the previous 3 slams at the time. There was also of course the string of about 7 consecutive final losses to Djokovic between 2011-2012, where there was no claims of injuries during the match.
 

donquijote

G.O.A.T.
And thanks to the support he has received last couple of years.
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falstaff78

Hall of Fame
Rafa was injured during some part of the AO '14 match against wawrinka, agree that it may not have changed the result if he hadn't been.

Your other point is hard to back up. In the AO '11 SF against Ferrer he was injured and lost. It's just hard to imagine that Ferrer would have beaten him if he hadn't been injured, or that he was pretending because Ferrer was getting the better of him. This was the final slam for completion of a Rafa slam since he was holding the previous 3 slams at the time. There was also of course the string of about 7 consecutive final losses to Djokovic between 2011-2012, where there was no claims of injuries during the match.


Fair points. It's really hard to settle objectively. You are a very sensible poster. Good to have people like you around!!
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
The best part is that despite Tsonga and Wawrinka are friends, Tsonga was bitter than Stan won the AO2014 and said that if he had the luck to play against an injured Nadal in a slam final, he could win too. He then lost the DC final in France, and lost again the Roland-Garros SF in 2015.

Tsonga probably forgot Wawrinka beat Djokovic too in that slam, something Tsonga hasn't done in ages.
 

noobforehand20

Professional
The Monte Carlo loss was so, so frustrating. Instead of beating his old man at Indian Wells or the WTF that Fed's already won many times, he has to stop Fed from ever tying Djokovic's 8 out of 9 Masters.

this is this paintfull to remember, and its hard to not be happy for a stan victory but the thing is that federer was the price to pay that time, couldnt he destroy roger in the WTF? that way he would have been a much better fit to face djokovic in the final and potentially win it and djokovic would have one less and stan could be even higher on the list, or in rome or shanghai , ANYWHERE but in montecarlo i mean had federer won the tittle we would basically look forward to rome just as we do with cincy with the hype of the golden masters.

also i have this bad feeling that something like this will repeat itself in wimbledon 2017, in wich by some miracle federer will reach the final beating djokovic (let a man dream) and will have to face stan there and because of the fact that stan will be on a mission for the career slam federer will become the latest víctim of stan perfect récord in slam finals and allow him to sort of come full circle and be the only ever man to destroy the big 3 in slam finals and have statues of him everywhere in the world (ok that would be sort of epic) and erase the very last breath of hope that will ever exist of #18
 

Boom-Boom

Legend
Remain cool after Nadal and Djokovic trying to destroy his momentum in GS finals with fake MTO.

In DC 14 final, after Fed lose against Monfils,he remain focus and schooled Tsonga in France. With a pure pressure on him.Truly big matches man.

Those two show how he can really stay cool under pressure :cool:
 

noobforehand20

Professional
Rafa was injured during some part of the AO '14 match against wawrinka, agree that it may not have changed the result if he hadn't been.

Your other point is hard to back up. In the AO '11 SF against Ferrer he was injured and lost. It's just hard to imagine that Ferrer would have beaten him if he hadn't been injured, or that he was pretending because Ferrer was getting the better of him. This was the final slam for completion of a Rafa slam since he was holding the previous 3 slams at the time. There was also of course the string of about 7 consecutive final losses to Djokovic between 2011-2012, where there was no claims of injuries during the match.

you could not have said it better, and to back up your point if you understand spanish you can clearly see at one point in the match that toni was signaling rafa about retiring from that match to wich rafa exactly responded "estoy en los cuartos de australia no me retiro ni cagando" (im in the quarters of australia, im not retiring even if im $h**ng myself) also dont remember what exactly he had during that tournmanet but earlier in doha he had some fever
 
Even more crazy is that he is achieving all this at an age at which most tennis players are winding down. He is hitting his absolute peak around age 30.

Now, imagine if he can win Wimbledon. Career Grand Slam with only 4 slams. Can Stan the Slam Man become Stan the Career Grand Slam Man? :eek:

#CareerGrandStanimal
 
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donquijote

G.O.A.T.
Even more crazy is that he is achieving all this at an age at which most tennis players are winding down. He is hitting his absolute peak around age 30.

Now, imagine if he can win Wimbledon. Career Grand Slam with only 4 slams. Can Stan the Slam Man become Stan the Career Grand Slam Man? :eek:

#CareerGrandSlanimal
Maybe it's not too late for us?
 

VarmasPermo

Semi-Pro
Beating an injured Nadal or vulturing slams when he is not there seems to be the highlights of many players.
Injury excuses and early off seasons seem to be the highlight of Nadal's career.

Even a supposedly healthy Nadal could not beat a tired Pouille who played two 5 setters in a row before he beat Nadal, the guy who only played easy 3 set matches before they met in USO 2016.
 
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smoledman

G.O.A.T.
Injury excuses and early off seasons seem to be the highlight of Nadal's career.

Even a supposedly healthy Nadal could not beat a tired Pouille who played two 5 setters in a row before he beat Nadal, the guy who only played easy 3 set matches before they met in USO 2016.

There is no need to pretend that Rafa is an elite player anymore.
 
You mean Stan having a mental drop because Rafa was playing so bad?
You can't possibly think that Rafa wasn't heavily injured in that match. He wasn't moving around at all, tried to end the points with 1 or 2 shots. Couldn't serve above 170k and averaged 115 on second serve for a lot of the match. Add that to him being in tears because injury had yet again robbed him of a really good shot at the AO

You are right.

Nadal wasn't heavily injured, because he wasn't injured at all (or at least nothing more than a blister or a bleeding toe).

Some time ago I made a full analysis on his stalling tactics and it showed clearly that he was changing his tactics throughout the match to try to throw Stan off of his game.

Some Nadal fans ....

:cool:
 

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
You are right.

Nadal wasn't heavily injured, because he wasn't injured at all (or at least nothing more than a blister or a bleeding toe).

Some time ago I made a full analysis on his stalling tactics and it showed clearly that he was changing his tactics throughout the match to try to throw Stan off of his game.

Some Nadal fans ....

:cool:

Hahahaha, some of the morons here....
 

JoelSandwich

Hall of Fame
I know, I therefore say that he was robbed of a great chance, deffo not a certainty but had he been able to play at his SF level against Fed, he would have had a really good chance of winning against Stan
I think he was clearly injured too, it was also disappointing, because I believe that would have been one of the best matches of 2014 if he didn't get injured.
 
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