All Pro Staff 85 editions in photos.

12oz

New User
There’s also the regular Japan only pro staff 85 with the words ‘db limited’ on the throat. This one weighs around 326g so similar to the lighter asian versions of the ps85.


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Pistol10

Professional
There’s also the regular Japan only pro staff 85 with the words ‘db limited’ on the throat. This one weighs around 326g so similar to the lighter asian versions of the ps85.

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The db limited was produced in 2000 I guess. The price of this one in Japan around 400$, much more expensive than St.vincent!

I'm looking for buying one it when I'll find one with a reasonable price.
 

Pistol10

Professional
Anyone heard about this midsize pro staff before, made in Taiwan, bumperless, 325g strung.

It's written "Junior Graphite" on the throat (from top, near the handle):

 

Pistol10

Professional
Thank you very much!!
nCode is paint job. Actually, 85 sq/in. 18x20.
Nice trick :giggle:.

Are those the same model with different pj?

18×20 for a midsize (85), that's strange! I guess it's too difficult to hit spin using these rackets.

What are the weight of each racket?
How do you rank them base on power level?
How do you rank them based on flexibility?
 

dnguyen

Hall of Fame
What if this one is the first batch that was produced in Taiwan after closing the factory in St.vincent? The one that was made of unidirectional graphite not braided.
You read my mind the other day until you posted it.

How will we know it is? That would be awesome if it does exist.
 

Pistol10

Professional


This one is perhaps one of my favourites along with PSC 6.1 85 pj

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This one is light, right? Is it more flexible than other chinese ps 6.0 85?

Very nice collection by the way (y).

I'll annoy you with my usual questions as what I did to the others :giggle:. Which one is the most flexible? Which one is liter? Which one is the most powerful?

I see all of it made in china except the classic one (made in Taiwan), right? Because the throat is narrower than others, specially the area between the throat & the handle.
 

12oz

New User
This one is light, right? Is it more flexible than other chinese ps 6.0 85?

Very nice collection by the way (y).

I'll annoy you with my usual questions as what I did to the others :giggle:. Which one is the most flexible? Which one is liter? Which one is the most powerful?

I see all of it made in china except the classic one (made in Taiwan), right? Because the throat is narrower than others, specially the area between the throat & the handle.
The Japan spec ones are definitely lighter. They have all come in weighing between 342g-345g strung. So green Sampras 85, PSC6.1 85 and hyper 85.

The others I haven’t gone round to weighing.

As for how they play and one being flexier than the other I can’t say. These are old racquets and I haven’t really tried playing with them.
 

wilson fan

New User
Hello everyone,
I would like to ask Pro Staff master. I got PS 6.6 Stars and Stripes 85sq/in. several days ago. According to my memory, I believed that the string pattern was only 16x18. However, that frame has 76 string holes of 18x20. Of course, I know that 95sq/in. was 18x20 string pattern. Does anyone know if this 85sq/in. 18x20 is a retail version, prototype or Pro Stock version? Although the shape looks like the throat is slightly angular compared to China production, the beam width is 20.5 mm for both frames.

Interestingly, Steffi Graf's Pro Staff 85sq/in. 18x20 grommet may fit.

 

myth

Semi-Pro

I am not sure about this one.
Chicago or St Vincent?
 

Sanglier

Semi-Pro
It's almost certainly a "GMQ" (I say 'almost' only because there is no clear photo of the butt cap in this listing); the little squiggly tail is not always easy to make out. The letter "G" dates the frame to 1984, the "Q" indicates St Vincent manufacture.

PS85 were made in both Chicago and St Vincent in 1984; the ones finished in Chicago were stamped "G_I", those from St Vincent "G_Q". The middle letter ("M" in this case) was the lot identifier. The letter "G" became (erroneously) associated with Chicago among some collectors because 1984 was the only year PS85 were made there, so all Chicago-made PS85 with original butt caps were "G" stamped, even though "G" was never Chicago-specific.

Also, the code "GMO" could not have existed, because both letters "M" and "O" were only used as lot identifiers, and only frames made by Long-Y (Taiwan) had their lot identifier in the last position in 1984 (and their year identifier in the second position). In other words, the only valid code on a 1984 Wilson frame that had an "O" in the last position was "LGO" (at that time, SanHoSun, Wilson's main Taiwanese contractor, followed the same letter order as Chicago and St Vincent, so their production code for lot "O" from 1984 would have been "GOS". They didn't change their letter order to be the same as Long-Y's until 1986, the "J" year).
 

joe sch

Legend
How much is a Pete Sampras 1st St. Vincent manufacture worth? Based on the chart above it is a Version 3 in nice condition. The listing is also on **** for $5,000 however it may be signed. How much is Sampras signature worth?
Depends on condition and current market. Mint condition is worth a premium.
The player signatures do not increase the value like a racket from the players stock and then even lots more if it was played and of course what match it was played at. All this would need some COA otherwise its just a story.
 

joe sch

Legend
I bought two belgian made Pro Staff 85 rackets last summer.





There are some measurement data from last stringing (2007) on both of them. One is clearly visible, the other is faded. Both have leather grips, grip size 4.



Do you know whats this is? Crack under the paint?



Given its a Belgium version that did not have the red primer then the paint would probably not last as long especially at stress points like the throat junctions.
 
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boxerrumble

New User
Can you guys help me identify this racket? Is it a SV1? It has red primers, white BC with GMQ (looks like O but the bottom is worn), bumperless, square end of grommet, I think the only thing is the person might have taken off the sticker on the inside of the throat because both sides is empty. I can still see some sticker residue maybe on the side that's suppose to have a sticker.

 

MagicBen

New User
Ok. Because many people don't know the differences between all versions of Pro Staff 85, I want to make this thread to show the differences in pictures.

I'll focus only on the main differences that you can detect easily in photos, other differences such as primary paint under paint job and the type of black color used for the paint job are really difficult to be detected in most photos, so I'll not mention it. Hope this will help who wants to buy one.

This is not complete,, I'm missing photos, I hope who has PS85 help us with some photos, and to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks in advance to all. I'll keep updating this first post based on your posts.


This is a schedule below, you'll find all the editions. Note: one edition is missed which is the last "second" edition of made in Taiwan, I'll describe it and mention some notes at the end of this post.




1) Throat.


* Chicago (bumperless):


Side1: Tension rec 65-70lbs lable:


Side2: Empty.






* Belgium: (bumperless).

Side1: Only one lable on throat, tension rec 55-65lbs:


Side2: Empty, same as Chicago.





* St. Vincent 1 (bumperless):
Side1: Same as Chicago.
Side2: Empty, same as Chicago.


* St. Vincent 2 & 3 (100% The same paint job) :

Side1: Tension rec 55-65lbs lable:


Side2: Empty, same as Chicago.


* St. Vincent 4:
Side1:
Side2:


* St. Vincent 5: used by SAMPRAS (tension rec 50-60lbs printed on throat)

Side1:


Side2:






* Taiwan 1:

Side1:


Side2:



* Taiwan 2:
Side1: A recommendation of using Syn Gut was printed:


Side2: Same as Taiwan 1.





* China 1:
Side1: Note, Printed Pro Staff (first letter is capital letter) on the top :


Side2:



* China 2,3,4,5:
Side1: Note, printed "ProStaff6.0" on the top:




Side2:






2) End of grommet.
* In general, Chicago, Belgium, All St. Vincent have a square shape (slight differences):



* In general, Both Taiwan & All China have a round shape (slight differences):




Notes:
About the Taiwanese frames. There's 2 editions.
A_ The first edition is in the schedule. This one only was made of unidirectional graphite, not braided.

B_ The late edition. The same paint job, but Wilson added a recommendation of using Syn Gut.
Hello @Pistol10 and everyone here, thank you very much for the great work you published here for us all. I'm in France and I know that PS85 owners here rely very much on your table and pictures which are definitely our main reference.
One thing that we could add to the table is the year for each version, if it's relevant and identifiable. It would be very useful I think. In the thread @Sanglier explained that the first letter G in the 3-letter code corresponds to year 1984. So from this is it true to deduct the following years for the Chicago / St Vincent / Belgium versions ?
G for 1984
H for 1985
I : skipped and never used ?
J for 1986
K for 1987
For the Taiwanese and Chinese versions, is it possible to get the correspondance of the first letter with a specific year, or a period of X years ?
 
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onehandbh

Legend
There were also some versions sold only in Japan but made in China. Some were a little bit lighter. I think maybe 320 or 330g. Can't remember.
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
Just an FYI: I got a China I (1993-1994 I believe) with SAME cosmetics of Taiwan, and the stiffness (RA 66) is also stiffer than the later China versions. (RA 62 or so)
 

Sanglier

Semi-Pro
Hello @Pistol10 and everyone here, thank you very much for the great work you published here for us all. I'm in France and I know that PS85 owners here rely very much on your table and pictures which are definitely our main reference.
One thing that we could add to the table is the year for each version, if it's relevant and identifiable. It would be very useful I think. In the thread @Sanglier explained that the first letter G in the 3-letter code corresponds to year 1984. So from this is it true to deduct the following years for the Chicago / St Vincent / Belgium versions ?
G for 1984
H for 1985
I : skipped and never used ?
J for 1986
K for 1987
For the Taiwanese and Chinese versions, is it possible to get the correspondance of the first letter with a specific year, or a period of X years ?
It's a little bit more complicated than that. On Wilson frames made from 1990 thru today, it's almost always the second letter that denotes the year of manufacture. Prior to that, it could be the first, or the second, or even the third letter. One of the other letters also tells you which factory made the racquet, though its position also shifted over the years, depending on the factory. I went into some detail on this system in another thread. If you are curious, have a look here from page 1 thru page 4. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-pro-staff-classic-6-1-mutual-appreciation-club.569795/

As I mentioned before a number of times already (like a broken record), so long as the butt cap is original to the frame and the code is legible, you really don't need to get too hung up on all the cosmetic stuff when it comes to dating post-1978 Wilson products, unless you are specifically interested in collecting cosmetic variants. Exceptions to this system do exist, but they are exceedingly rare in my personal experience. Si vous avez encore des questions, n'hésitez pas à m'écrire en privé.
 

KANZA

Semi-Pro
I’ve had so much fun this week scrutinizing this thread because I found a WPS on another website. Let’s just say the website is reseller that let’s people Play Sports Again. the only description they had: Wilson pro staff Unknown type. No grip size, nothing else. It wasn’t a terrible price, so I bought it. Its in the mail, and I’m anxiously awaiting arrival on Monday. All they gave me was two photos. I have been over these photos as if they were a crime scene. I’ve probably spent way too many hours on this, but it has been fun. I’ll post the pics and close ups to see if anyone agrees with my conclusion:



Given the PRO STAFF all capitals font, it must be Chicago, Belgium, SV or taiwan.
it has a bumper (I think) even though one side of the bumper may be warped. That nails it down to SV or Taiwan


now, it may have a grip size on the inside (I think that what this is):

and the end of those grommets may be square or round. I can’t tell.
And it appears to say “midsize” on this side

and is this inside blank?

by my best guess is that I have a SV3 in the mail, but I don’t see any red primer paint chips at all
 

KANZA

Semi-Pro
A follow up from last week: it’s a Taiwan 2. Recommendation for syn gut gives it away. For the record my buttcap code is SGU and nearly impossible to read, much less photograph.
 
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