All time greats based on competition in GS finals

[mxmx]

Perhaps all ATG's should be rated on who they faced in grand slam finals. The measure will generally be who won the most grand slams. So perhaps one should look at the level of opposition they faced to actually measure their strength.

Also, not sure if we should only look at the open era to make things simpler.

(I'm assuming the big 3 will gain more from the above measuring stick due to having faced each other so much).

In Grand Slams (example):

Sampras:
Faced Agassi x times
Faced Courier x times
Faced Becker x times
Faced (weak opposition name here) x times
Rating:

Federer:
Faced Nadal x times
Faced Djokovic x times
Faced Hewitt x times
Faced (weak opposition name here) x times
Rating:

Perhaps someone has a better approach to this? Can by any ATG's.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nadal comes out on top then.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Perhaps all ATG's should be rated on who they faced in grand slam finals. The measure will generally be who won the most grand slams. So perhaps one should look at the level of opposition they faced to actually measure their strength.

Also, not sure if we should only look at the open era to make things simpler.

(I'm assuming the big 3 will gain more from the above measuring stick due to having faced each other so much).

In Grand Slams (example):

Sampras:
Faced Agassi x times
Faced Courier x times
Faced Becker x times
Faced (weak opposition name here) x times
Rating:

Federer:
Faced Nadal x times
Faced Djokovic x times
Faced Hewitt x times
Faced (weak opposition name here) x times
Rating:

Perhaps someone has a better approach to this? Can by any ATG's.

The search function is your friend.

 

[weakera]

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Rank	Country	Name	Adjusted Grand Slam Titles	Grand Slam Titles
1	ESP	Rafael Nadal	21.36	20
2	SRB	Novak Djokovic	20.91	19
3	SUI	Roger Federer	19.27	20
4	USA	Pete Sampras	13.15	14
5	SWE	Bjorn Borg	11.49	11
6	USA	John McEnroe	8.51	7
7	USA	Ivan Lendl	8.47	8
8	USA	Jimmy Connors	8.34	8
9	SWE	Mats Wilander	7.60	7
10	USA	Andre Agassi	7.38	8

 

[mxmx]

Nadal comes out on top then.

- Would Fed and Djoko fans agree?

- Should semis be included?

 

[mxmx]

Ps. Willander greater than Agassi?

 

[T007]

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Rank	Country	Name	Adjusted Grand Slam Titles	Grand Slam Titles
1	ESP	Rafael Nadal	21.36	20
2	SRB	Novak Djokovic	20.91	19
3	SUI	Roger Federer	19.27	20
4	USA	Pete Sampras	13.15	14
5	SWE	Bjorn Borg	11.49	11
6	USA	John McEnroe	8.51	7
7	USA	Ivan Lendl	8.47	8
8	USA	Jimmy Connors	8.34	8
9	SWE	Mats Wilander	7.60	7
10	USA	Andre Agassi	7.38	8

What was the criteria to decide it....

 

[Backspin1183]

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Rank	Country	Name	Adjusted Grand Slam Titles	Grand Slam Titles
1	ESP	Rafael Nadal	21.36	20
2	SRB	Novak Djokovic	20.91	19
3	SUI	Roger Federer	19.27	20
4	USA	Pete Sampras	13.15	14
5	SWE	Bjorn Borg	11.49	11
6	USA	John McEnroe	8.51	7
7	USA	Ivan Lendl	8.47	8
8	USA	Jimmy Connors	8.34	8
9	SWE	Mats Wilander	7.60	7
10	USA	Andre Agassi	7.38	8

That looks like Djoker will edge Nadal with another title.

 

[Third Serve]

That’s a great idea, I’m surprised no one’s thought about doing this before.

 

[daggerman]

That looks like Djoker will edge Nadal with another title.

Right. I think winning this Wimbledon would probably yield the lowest adjusted slam value of Djokovic's career, but it won't be lower than the 0.45 adjusted slam gap currently separating them. I'd guess it'd be around 0.7 if he beats Hurkacz, 0.75 if he beats Berrettini. But the fact that Anderson's Elo rating is misleadingly high and Garin is a top-20 player might inflate the number a bit, I'm not sure.

 

[GabeT]

That’s a great idea, I’m surprised no one’s thought about doing this before.

This is what keeps people returning to TTW. Always a new topic to discuss and debate in a friendly manner!

 

[jm1980]

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Rank	Country	Name	Adjusted Grand Slam Titles	Grand Slam Titles
1	ESP	Rafael Nadal	21.36	20
2	SRB	Novak Djokovic	20.91	19
3	SUI	Roger Federer	19.27	20
4	USA	Pete Sampras	13.15	14
5	SWE	Bjorn Borg	11.49	11
6	USA	John McEnroe	8.51	7
7	USA	Ivan Lendl	8.47	8
8	USA	Jimmy Connors	8.34	8
9	SWE	Mats Wilander	7.60	7
10	USA	Andre Agassi	7.38	8

Seeing how the 2017 USO was worth 0.89 Slams according to their calculation, I don't see how Djokovic wouldn't surpass Nadal's total if he wins this Wimbledon, being only 0.45 adjusted Slams behind

 

[mxmx]

Did Graf or Serena have the toughest finals?

Did Federer or Sampras or Nadal or Djokovic have the toughest finals?
(Yes, age can be considered for Federer).

We can take this further and ask who had less rounds to their finals.