All-time players’ top performance by surface (with a constant update) (grass)

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
My first big study was https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...om-1877-to-2020-with-a-regular-update.685425/. Now I continue with other types of studies.

The theme “performance by surface” has been always interesting to the tennis fans. The discussions go often with the numbers of slam titles and some other selectively chosen data. More interesting for me is the whole performance of the players on every surface.

Types of surfaces

Basically I split the surfaces into 4 categories:

Clay – includes clay outdoor and indoor;

Grass;

Hard outdoor – includes all hard outdoor surfaces (cement, wood, carpet and any other artificial hard surfaces)

Hard indoor - includes all hard indoor surfaces (wood, carpet, canvas and any other artificial hard surfaces)

Scope

The study covers the players from 1877 to current which have at least 1 title in their careers.

The study covers the tournaments, tours and one-night matches from 1877 to current (after Miami 2021). The tournaments include Davis cup, Nations cup, World team cup and Kramer cup.

Limits

1. Excluded from the number of titles and number of matches are the challengers, the futures and the tournaments with a scrappy competition (especially in the pre-open era). This is made intentionally to place all players on equal terms due to the different functionality, specificity and level of competitiveness of the different eras and every single year.

2. Only the players with at least 100 wins and at least 120 matches played per surface participate in the final rankings by surfaces. Only 1 exception of this rule is made – Novak Djokovic is included in the “grass” section with 95 wins and 113 total matches played on grass. He has the incredible win/loss ratio of 84.1% but has only 6 titles and practically does not affect the rankings.

This criterion has been implied because they are too many players with a limited play on a specific surface and their data distort the chief indicators.

Chief indicators

After a long consideration and analyses of the best possible methods of evaluating the surface’ performance I focused on the following indicators:

1. Number of wins per surface – shows the player’s preference and consistency on a surface;

2. Win/loss (W/L) ratio per surface – shows the level of dominance on a surface;

3. Number of titles per surface – shows the level of efficiency of reaching the target;

Methodology of evaluating the performance by surface

All the players are ranked on each of the three indicators for each surface in descending order. The total ranking is summed by the rankings of the 3 indicators and sorted in ascending order.

Example – a player is ranked 9th by w/l, 6th by wins and 10th by titles. His total ranking is 25 which compared to other players’ total rankings means for example 7th place in total rank.

Players with equal number of wins or equal number of titles get the same ranking for this indicator.

Presentation

For the best viewing options I will present the top 10 players of each indicator and the total rank’s top 10 players – 4 tables in total.

As they are too many tables (16 for all surfaces) I think it’s better that every surface will be presented in a different thread indicated in the thread’s title.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Grass

Total regular wins on grass
1. Ken Rosewall 592
2. Roy Emerson 563
3. Josiah Ritchie 444
4. Rod Laver 430
5. Bill Tilden 404
6. John Newcombe 391
7. Jack Crawford 361
8. Fred Stolle 360
9. Neale Fraser 345
10. Vic Seixas 343

No recent changes.
 
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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Win/Loss ratio on grass
1. Roger Federer 86,9%
2. Maurice McLoughlin 86,8%
3. Tony Wilding 86,8%
4. Laurence Doherty 86,2%
5. Bill Tilden 86,1%
6. Novak Djokovic 85,8%
7. John McEnroe 85,4%
8. Bill Johnston 84,4%
9. Sidney Smith 84,0%
10. Ellsworth Vines 83,8%

* The underlined are the last updated. Djokovic goes from No 7 to No 6.
 
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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Total regular titles on grass
1. Ken Rosewall 49
2. Rod Laver 48
2. Bill Tilden 48
4. Roy Emerson 45
5. Sidney Smith 42
5. William Larned 42
7. Frank Sedgman 31
8. Josiah Ritchie 29
9. Lew Hoad 28
9. Tony Wilding 28
9. Laurence Doherty 28

No recent changes.
 
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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
TOTAL RANKING on grass
1. Bill Tilden
2. Roy Emerson
3. Ken Rosewall
4. Rod Laver
5. Sidney Smith
6. William Larned
7. John Newcombe
8. Tony Wilding
9. Bill Johnston
10. Laurence Doherty

* No recent changes
 
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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
This is the most recent update of the data. Effective changes in the top 10 relate to Nadal (2021 results), Djokovic (2021 results) and Tilden.

Tilden's stats have been fully reviewed in the last 4 months from the newspapers, almanacs and annuals. 359 new singles matches and 612 doubles matches have been found. Total Tilden matches reached 2,794 singles matches and 1,747 doubles.

Total regular Tilden singles matches (after deduction of the weak matches) reached 2,281 matches.

Total regular Tilden singles grass matches after deduction reached 469 matches.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Win/Loss ratio on grass
1. Roger Federer 86,9%
2. Maurice McLoughlin 86,8%
3. Tony Wilding 86,8%
4. Laurence Doherty 86,2%
5. Bill Tilden 86,1%
6. John McEnroe 85,4%
7. Novak Djokovic 85,0%
8. Bill Johnston 84,4%
9. Sidney Smith 84,0%
10. Ellsworth Vines 83,8%

* The underlined are the last updated. Before that Djokovic was No 8.

And this is why Fed's the grass GOAT.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Win/loss ratio weighs heavily in his favor.
All 3 indicators weigh heavy. The performance' assessment include either quality or quantity.
If a player has much less matches than other players he has much better chances to have better ratios in percentages. That's why everything matters - numbers and percentages.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Other players have much more matches and titles.
All pre-OE with no historical background on the caliber of opponents or weak fields. Including Tilden is specious, he won grass titles when he played no early rounds a d merely had to play the title match. Not criticizing the stats compilation, merely the fact you're including players from 85 years ago.
 

Mediterranean Might

Professional
All pre-OE with no historical background on the caliber of opponents or weak fields. Including Tilden is specious, he won grass titles when he played no early rounds a d merely had to play the title match. Not criticizing the stats compilation, merely the fact you're including players from 85 years ago.
Yep 100% agreed.

I understand the OP is going for "all time", but I think leaving it to OE only would be much cleaner
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
All 3 indicators weigh heavy. The performance' assessment include either quality or quantity.
If a player has much less matches than other players he has much better chances to have better ratios in percentages. That's why everything matters - numbers and percentages.

You can't weight the other two as highly, because there just aren't as many titles available.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
All pre-OE with no historical background on the caliber of opponents or weak fields. Including Tilden is specious, he won grass titles when he played no early rounds a d merely had to play the title match. Not criticizing the stats compilation, merely the fact you're including players from 85 years ago.
Already was explained that matches and tournaments with weak opponents and weak fields have been excluded from this stats. It's my principle that if you compare players from different eras you need to use comparable data.

Re Tilden - he played only 1 tournament (Wimbledon 1921) in his career without early rounds but only in the challenge round.
 
My first big study was https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...om-1877-to-2020-with-a-regular-update.685425/. Now I continue with other types of studies.

The theme “performance by surface” has been always interesting to the tennis fans. The discussions go often with the numbers of slam titles and some other selectively chosen data. More interesting for me is the whole performance of the players on every surface.

Types of surfaces

Basically I split the surfaces into 4 categories:

Clay – includes clay outdoor and indoor;

Grass;

Hard outdoor – includes all hard outdoor surfaces (cement, wood, carpet and any other artificial hard surfaces)

Hard indoor - includes all hard indoor surfaces (wood, carpet, canvas and any other artificial hard surfaces)

Scope

The study covers the players from 1877 to current which have at least 1 title in their careers.

The study covers the tournaments, tours and one-night matches from 1877 to current (after Miami 2021). The tournaments include Davis cup, Nations cup, World team cup and Kramer cup.

Limits

1. Excluded from the number of titles and number of matches are the challengers, the futures and the tournaments with a scrappy competition (especially in the pre-open era). This is made intentionally to place all players on equal terms due to the different functionality, specificity and level of competitiveness of the different eras and every single year.

2. Only the players with at least 100 wins and at least 120 matches played per surface participate in the final rankings by surfaces. Only 1 exception of this rule is made – Novak Djokovic is included in the “grass” section with 95 wins and 113 total matches played on grass. He has the incredible win/loss ratio of 84.1% but has only 6 titles and practically does not affect the rankings.

This criterion has been implied because they are too many players with a limited play on a specific surface and their data distort the chief indicators.

Chief indicators

After a long consideration and analyses of the best possible methods of evaluating the surface’ performance I focused on the following indicators:

1. Number of wins per surface – shows the player’s preference and consistency on a surface;

2. Win/loss (W/L) ratio per surface – shows the level of dominance on a surface;

3. Number of titles per surface – shows the level of efficiency of reaching the target;

Methodology of evaluating the performance by surface

All the players are ranked on each of the three indicators for each surface in descending order. The total ranking is summed by the rankings of the 3 indicators and sorted in ascending order.

Example – a player is ranked 9th by w/l, 6th by wins and 10th by titles. His total ranking is 25 which compared to other players’ total rankings means for example 7th place in total rank.

Players with equal number of wins or equal number of titles get the same ranking for this indicator.

Presentation

For the best viewing options I will present the top 10 players of each indicator and the total rank’s top 10 players – 4 tables in total.

As they are too many tables (16 for all surfaces) I think it’s better that every surface will be presented in a different thread indicated in the thread’s title.

Do you have one for the Open Era ? The environment during the 1900s etc are just vastly different.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
You can't weight the other two as highly, because there just aren't as many titles available.
Yep, I can. The question is what is your success even at the available once. Federer played 48 grass tournaments and won 19 (39.6%). Not the perfect ratio.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
I have everything.
Are you going to make a ranking with the players with the most outdoor titles in history?
I understand that Laver and Wilding occupy the first position in terms of titles (114 each).
:D
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Are you going to make a ranking with the players with the most outdoor titles in history?
I understand that Laver and Wilding occupy the first position in terms of titles (114 each).
:D
Total outdoor titles (regular titles)
Rod Laver 151
Ken Rosewall 122
Bill Tilden 113
Roy Emerson 100
Rafael Nadal 95
Roger Federer 80
Ivan Lendl 80
Novak Djokovic 77
Tony Wilding 77
Jimmy Connors 74
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Update of the data as of 31 July 2022

Total regular wins on grass - No recent changes.

Win/Loss ratio on grass - Djokovic goes from No 7 to No 6. No other changes.

Total regular titles on grass - No recent changes.

TOTAL RANKING on grass - No recent changes.
 
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