All-time players’ top performance by surface (with a constant update) (hard indoor)

[Ivan69]

An update of the data was made as of 31 Dec 2021 up in the tables. Changes are underlined.

 

[DSH]

Lendl being officially credited with 'only' 94 titles including 42 indoors (obviously though still an insane number) is one of the most misleading stats around in terms of players that exclusively played in the open era, when he clearly won many more than that. His body of work at unsanctioned events was pretty unrivalled, so he is an even bigger victim of having an understated title count than Connors or McEnroe.

Ignoring all 4 man invitational events, I previously counted at least 30 additional titles that he won, in which he had to play in 4 or 5 matches (and my list is likely to be incomplete as well), 17 of which were indoors.

Of course it goes without saying that 'ranking points' is not a factor in terms of what should count and what shouldn't, with the Masters / YEC not awarding any ranking points before 1990 (and it was still a more highly regarded tournament then than it has been in recent times), the WCT Finals and WCT events also not counting for ATP rankings etc.

The ECC in Antwerp (which Lendl won 5 times) looked to be a more highly regarded tournament in the 80s when it was an unofficial invitational tournament, than it was in the 90s after 1991 when it was an official ATP tournament. The Toronto Indoor event at Maple Leaf Gardens was a bigger deal when it was an invitational tournament from 1981-1984 (Lendl won it twice during that period), than when it was an 'official' grand prix / ATP tour event in the mid-80s / 1990 (when Lendl won it again). Of course there was a big difference between a proper invitational tournament (many of which had packed crowds, great fields and more prize money on offer than most / many official tour events) and a hit and giggle exhibition.

In your estimation, roughly how many titles did Ivan Lendl win in his career and what about Connors as well?

 

[DSH]

To me Roger is best indoor hard courter. Unfortunately there are not enough indoor events - no indoor Slam. Otherwise Fed would have won 2-3 more easily.

Federer is one of the best indoor hard court players in history but not the best in general, in those conditions.
However, he is the most successful by winning 6 ATP Finals, which is a record in the Open Era.
And that tournament is itself the "Indoor Slam" that you claim so much.
All four Grand Slam events are tournaments that are played, as much of the time as possible, outdoors and that will not change.

 

[Ivan69]

In your estimation, roughly how many titles did Ivan Lendl win in his career and what about Connors as well?

No estimation.
153 singles titles for Lendl.
152 singles titles for Connors.

 

[DSH]

No estimation.
153 singles titles for Lendl.
152 singles titles for Connors.

So, Lendl is the player with the most titles in the Open Era, right?
What about the number of titles at that stage from Borg, McEnroe, Laver, Rosewall, Becker, Edberg, Newcombe, Nastase, etc?

 

[Ivan69]

So, Lendl is the player with the most titles in the Open Era, right?
What about the number of titles at that stage from Borg, McEnroe, Laver, Rosewall, Becker, Edberg, Newcombe, Nastase, etc?

Have in mind that many players have careers in both eras. All the experts make the rude mistake to compare entirely open era players with part open era players with only open era stats. That's stupid. Laver's and Rosewall's careers are incredibly bigger than other mentioned.
Technically yes, it's Lendl with the most.
Big Mac - 103
Borg - 100
Becker - 54
Edberg - 51
Nastase - 99

Laver - 211
Rosewall - 159
Newcombe - 74

 

[timnz]

TOTAL RANKING on hard indoor
1. John McEnroe
2. Jimmy Connors
3. Ivan Lendl
4. Rod Laver
5. Bjorn Borg
5. Boris Becker
7. Roger Federer
8. Arthur Ashe
9. Pancho Gonzales
10. Ken Rosewall

* No changes as of 31 Dec 2021 in top 10.

Did you include non-atp important tournaments like the European community championships that Lendl won many times?

 

[Ivan69]

Did you include non-atp important tournaments like the European community championships that Lendl won many times?

That was one of the first tasks.

 

[timnz]

That was one of the first tasks.

So it was included. Great

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Nadal is the indoor hard court GOAT, he won the Madrid M1000 on the surface

 

[Ivan69]

Update of the data as of 31 July 2022

Total regular wins on hard indoor - No changes as of 31 July 2021 in top 10.

Win/Loss ratio on hard indoor - No changes as of 31 July 2021 in top 10.

Total regular titles on hard indoor - No changes as of 31 July 2021 in top 10.

TOTAL RANKING on hard indoor - No changes as of 31 July 2021 in top 10.