Almost ready to pull the trigger: Stringway vs Eagnas

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I have been looking into some constant-pull machines to replace my lowly dropweight. I'd like your input as I make my final choice.

Laserfibre Quantum
http://www.laserfibre.com/

Looked into this machine with much interest. But no longer interested for two reasons.
1. Unreliability of the company: A 10-year warranty means nothing if the company does not stand behind the product. These days people can't even pay to get these machines shipped. I sent Laserfibre an email asking for some info, I haven't heard back and it has been over 2 weeks.
2. Diablo: I usually do a gut/poly hybrid. My current choice of poly is Luxilon M2, but I am not sure if this string can be wrapped around a tiny diablo without being damaged. I didn't think about this until !Tym brought it to my attention, but M2 and some other polys become susceptible to snapping when bent or tightly wound. If the diablo had a larger diameter it may be okay, but the way it looks in the picture, I would not want to take the chance.


Stringway ML100 single action clamps
http://www.stringway-nl.com/USA/index.html

I like the fact that the reliable service team at Alpha stands behind this product.

Already pricier than Laserfibre, Stringway seems to nickle and dime you for options, but ultimately I am willing to pay more for reliable service. Their 10-year warranty sounds like a real warranty compared to that of Laserfibre.

I think I would take !Tym's advice and go for the single-action clamps. Since I don't really need a stand ($300 more for a stand? Give me a break.), it will cost $899.

I like the automatic dropweight feature, but I am still worried whether it can work for me without snapping my strings.

So those of you who have used this, can you tell me whether this machine can string up VS Team 17 at 68 lbs without snapping it? (I usually use 65 lbs, but need some room for possible future changes).

I would also like to know if this does a reliable job on polys. I am quite convinced that my current dropweight machine is not suited for stringing stiff polys. For example, when the tension arm is at the horizontal level, I would think that the tension arm would drop lower if I increase the tension by 3-4 lbs at that moment, but often nothing happens with very stiff polys. So I am not sure if the tension is accurate.


Eagnas Plus 8000
http://www.eagnas.com/plus8000.html
Unlike Laserfibre, Maxline responded to my email inquiry the next day (Kudos to Michele!).

This particular machine received some favorable reviews here. What attracts me to it is the 3 different settings for speed. Since I sometimes snap my 17-gauge VS Team or 18-gauge Klip Legend on my dropweight, I usually take it to a professional stringer and ask them to use the "slow-pull" function on the gut. When pulled at slow speed,my thin-gauge guts have never snapped. So having this function is an attractive option.

I know all about Eagnas/Maxline and their reliability problem. I have had one bad experience and one good experience with them in the past when I bought flying clamps from them.

But it seems that the notorious Victor is quite dependable and even well-mannered when you deal with him in person at his warehouse. I live less than an hour-drive away from Maxline warehouse, so I can go pick up the machine, and in case I need service, I can just drive over there. I think this makes Eagnas more attractive to me than, let's say, Silent Partner DG.

Silent Partner may well make a better electronic machine (I simply don't know), but both Eagnas and SP offer the same warranty (only 1 year on the electronic tensioner). In case something goes wrong, I would have to ship the Silent Partner back to the East Coast, whereas I can drive down to Eagnas.

Not only that, Eagnas offers extended warranty at $65 per year. So I can purchase a few more years of warranty for peace of mind.


All right, those are some of my thoughts. Let's hear from you experts.
 

fastdunn

Legend
But it seems that the notorious Victor is quite dependable and even well-mannered when you deal with him in person at his warehouse. I live less than an hour-drive away from Maxline warehouse, so I can go pick up the machine, and in case I need service, I can just drive over there. I think this makes Eagnas more attractive to me than, let's say, Silent Partner DG.
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I have exactly same situation here. They are within 30 minute drive. One time they agreed to meet me at 9PM ! (They fixed my flying clamp of my 1st string machine rather than replace it. But then again I purachsed one at $13.95 anyway).

Have you considered Plus 6500 + Wise ? (This would be about $1195)...
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
Once again, the Stringway clamshell design is the GENTLEST on strings I've ever tried. It's hands down gentler on fragile strings than say the Wise with diablo for example.

Never strung VS 17g on it, but I have Pacific Prime Gut 17g numerous times at 60lbs. without a single issue. BDE Performance 16g gut at 65lbs., never a problem. Bow Brand championship gut 16 and 17g from 60-65lbs. never a problem. Maybe I just got lucky all these years, I don't know; but gentlesness/lack of scuffing on strings is one of the best features of the Stringway. You don't SLAM the dropweight down with the Stringway. You just insert it, and the drowpeight GENTLY releases on its own. The only way you'll damage a string is if you try and FORCE the weight bar down which you would NEVER do anyway unless you're feeling particularly pathological that day so it's not even a consideration.

Were I too start over, a MS200DX with single action clamps would be my dream machine personally.
 
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Deleted member 25923

Guest
Ask mark about the extra weight for the dropweight. On my tension bar, it says that I need a third weight to attach to go to 66 lbs or higher. Was this supposed to be included?
 

topspin

Semi-Pro
Can't comment on the Eagnas, but I have the ML100 since 1999 and never had a problem with any string. I used BDE Performance 17 a lot and it has never been damaged by the machine. The clamps and string gripper are very gentle on it.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I have exactly same situation here. They are within 30 minute drive. One time they agreed to meet me at 9PM ! (They fixed my flying clamp of my 1st string machine rather than replace it. But then again I purachsed one at $13.95 anyway).

Have you considered Plus 6500 + Wise ? (This would be about $1195)...

No, I have not considred that. I guess the Plus 8000 at 1295 would be a better deal?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Once again, the Stringway clamshell design is the GENTLEST on strings I've ever tried. It's hands down gentler on fragile strings than say the Wise with diablo for example.

Never strung VS 17g on it, but I have Pacific Prime Gut 17g numerous times at 60lbs. without a single issue. BDE Performance 16g gut at 65lbs., never a problem. Bow Brand championship gut 16 and 17g from 60-65lbs. never a problem. Maybe I just got lucky all these years, I don't know; but gentlesness/lack of scuffing on strings is one of the best features of the Stringway. You don't SLAM the dropweight down with the Stringway. You just insert it, and the drowpeight GENTLY releases on its own. The only way you'll damage a string is if you try and FORCE the weight bar down which you would NEVER do anyway unless you're feeling particularly pathological that day so it's not even a consideration.

Were I too start over, a MS200DX with single action clamps would be my dream machine personally.

Thank you once again for helpful information.

Which one is MS 200DX? Is that the foot-operated one?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Ask mark about the extra weight for the dropweight. On my tension bar, it says that I need a third weight to attach to go to 66 lbs or higher. Was this supposed to be included?

What? We have to pay extra to string higher than 65 lbs?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Can't comment on the Eagnas, but I have the ML100 since 1999 and never had a problem with any string. I used BDE Performance 17 a lot and it has never been damaged by the machine. The clamps and string gripper are very gentle on it.

Good to hear. Is 65 lbs max on your machine as Manswerz said above?
 

topspin

Semi-Pro
Actually the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. You can get an add-on weight that will take you to 80lbs.

The reason why others thought the max was 65lbs is because the range for the 3rd optional weight is from 66 to 80lbs. But there is a bit of overlap for 66-68lbs.

Anyhow, the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. I never see the need to string any racquet at that tension. The most I've strung is 65lbs and that was on a large sized head. If you string a midplus frame higher than 62 or 63lbs then the word "ouch" comes to mind, lol. Seriously though.
 

1012007

Hall of Fame
Thank you once again for helpful information.

Which one is MS 200DX? Is that the foot-operated one?

When i was looking for information before i bought my MS 200DX (MS200) I received a list of 11 reviews of people that have owned the machine. This basically swung my decision, and now I have one, i wouldnt want anything else

I forgot to say lol, if you want the document, im happy to send it to you, just leave your email or pm me
 

1012007

Hall of Fame
Ask mark about the extra weight for the dropweight. On my tension bar, it says that I need a third weight to attach to go to 66 lbs or higher. Was this supposed to be included?

May I ask.. why are you planning to string over 66 lbs:confused:

I think that it is important to understand the difference between 65 on a lock out and stringing 65 on a Constant Pull machine. You loose 10 to 18 lbs on a lock out, so when stringing at 65 lbs on a CP, it actually equals 75 to 83 lbs on a lock out.

For anyone who is interested, I have a test report with graphs that show the actual tensions of string when being pulled with a Constant Pull, and a Crank
 
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Deleted member 25923

Guest
May I ask.. why are you planning to string over 66 lbs:confused:

I think that it is important to understand the difference between 65 on a lock out and stringing 65 on a Constant Pull machine. You loose 10 to 18 lbs on a lock out, so when stringing at 65 lbs on a CP, it actually equals 75 to 83 lbs on a lock out.

For anyone who is interested, I have a test report with graphs that show the actual tensions of string when being pulled with a Constant Pull, and a Crank

I don't personally string over that amount, but if a customer wanted to. But your argument makes sense, since I could tell them that 66 lbs on a constant pull is much tighter.
 

1012007

Hall of Fame
I don't personally string over that amount, but if a customer wanted to. But your argument makes sense, since I could tell them that 66 lbs on a constant pull is much tighter.

Whatever tension they tell you, whether its 40 or 90 lbs, you need to ask them what type of machine their racket was strung on before, so you are able to compensate. 70 lbs on a crank is ok, because its actually 52-60 lbs on a CP, where as stringing 70 lbs on your CP machine, would kill their arm, especially with poly etc.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Actually the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. You can get an add-on weight that will take you to 80lbs.

The reason why others thought the max was 65lbs is because the range for the 3rd optional weight is from 66 to 80lbs. But there is a bit of overlap for 66-68lbs.

Anyhow, the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. I never see the need to string any racquet at that tension. The most I've strung is 65lbs and that was on a large sized head. If you string a midplus frame higher than 62 or 63lbs then the word "ouch" comes to mind, lol. Seriously though.

Thank you.

I asked Mark at Alpha for the info. Unfortunately, ML100 is out of stock at Alpha, and Mark did not want to give me the info off ML90, fearing there might be a difference.

Anyway, you beat him to it.
 

GPB

Professional
For anyone who is interested, I have a test report with graphs that show the actual tensions of string when being pulled with a Constant Pull, and a Crank

Would you send me this report? I think you can click my name and email me through TW. Thanks!
 

1012007

Hall of Fame
Would you send me this report? I think you can click my name and email me through TW. Thanks!

Yeah sure, however i do need your address as i need to the attatch the file. If you dont want to post it on here, just email me then ill have your address:)
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
All right, Mark from Alpha got back to me, and he says the max tension on ML100 is 66 lbs without the third weight.

The 68 lbs reported by "topspin" may still be correct, since Mark is still getting himself familiar with Stringway products.

But 66 lbs is the official answer thus far.
 
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
Calling Mansewerz...

Mansewerz,

Would you mind sending me an email (you can access it by clicking my user name on the left).

I tried to contact you, hoping you might run a couple of tests on your new machine for me. But your TW email function is disabled.
 

JamesBond

Rookie
Actually the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. You can get an add-on weight that will take you to 80lbs.
The reason why others thought the max was 65lbs is because the range for the 3rd optional weight is from 66 to 80lbs. But there is a bit of overlap for 66-68lbs.
Anyhow, the max is 68lbs with the regular weight. I never see the need to string any racquet at that tension. The most I've strung is 65lbs and that was on a large sized head. If you string a midplus frame higher than 62 or 63lbs then the word "ouch" comes to mind, lol. Seriously though.
Hey Topspin,
I couldn't agree more, with the constant pull and co-polymer or poly strings, my usual tension ranges between 46 and 54lbs, but as I use flying clamps and double pull on the last 2 mains (on each side) and the last crosses, I usually add from 6 to 8lbs to compensate the loss of tension from the double-pull, but also from the knot.

This requires me to push the weight up to more than 60lbs from time to time, but I have never needed to go to up 68lbs. I can imagine that sometimes a syngut in an O/S frame may require higher tensions than I use, but to go over 68lbs, even for the last pull before the knots does seem to be unlikely.

I am not a great fan of lock-outs, but as it has been pointed out previously, the real tension in the string-bed with a L/O tensioner set at 68lbs is no more than 54-58lbs (at the most). On a SW ML.100 D/W, if you set at 58lbs, you should end up with the 54-56lbs that you would get with trhe L/O set at 10lbs higher.

It's hard to believe that you would set a SW ML.100 DW at more than 68lbs, but if is really necessary, the additional weight is available, but rarely needed as far as I can see from my many years experience with this machine.
Cheers,
JB
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Hey Topspin,
I couldn't agree more, with the constant pull and co-polymer or poly strings, my usual tension ranges between 46 and 54lbs, but as I use flying clamps and double pull on the last 2 mains (on each side) and the last crosses, I usually add from 6 to 8lbs to compensate the loss of tension from the double-pull, but also from the knot.

JamesBond,

Why do you use flying clamps on the last 2 mains? Do the fixed clamps not reach those areas?

I use a 100 sq in frame with 16X20 pattern. Would you recommend the Double Action clamps or Single Action clamps.
 
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