Amazing stat for Djokovic

[Deleted member 757377]

Finals won against a big4 member in each big annual event:

DJOKOVIC

Australian Open: 6
Roland Garros: 1
Wimbledon: 3
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 4
Indian Wells: 3
Miami: 4
MonteCarlo: 1
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 3
Canadian Open: 1
Cincinnati: 1
Shanghai/Madrid: 1
Bercy: 1

NADAL

Australian Open: 1
Roland Garros: 6
Wimbledon: 1
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 0
Indian Wells: 2
Miami: 0
MonteCarlo: 5
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 4
Canadian Open: 0
Cincinnati: 0
Shanghai/Madrid: 0
Bercy: 0

FEDERER

Australian Open: 2
Roland Garros: 0
Wimbledon: 3
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 1
Indian Wells: 0
Miami: 2
MonteCarlo: 0
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 0
Canadian Open: 0
Cincinnati: 3
Shanghai/Madrid: 1
Bercy: 0

Federer and Nadal never beat a big4 member in 6 big events' finals, while Djokovic did it in all of them.

 

[Hamnavoe]

Fedr

Am I doing it right?

 

[Antonio Puente]

Big 4?

How many of Djoker's are vs. Murray?

 

[swordtennis]

Great stuff. Also it looks like he is frustrated and not satisfied with just maintaining. He wants to improve. Want him to just play the villain role edgy frustrated pissed off. Love it. A complacent djokovic is a beaten man djokovic.

 

[shazbot]

These stats are always so useless.

So if Djokovic loses before the final and Nadal beats the guy (who is not big 4) that beat Djokovic, that somehow plays into your argument.

You can only beat who is in front of you and who progresses through the tournament.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Federer's record

 

[swordtennis]

They are actual match wins. Actual big match wins are fantastic. Love them far more than hypotheticals and agenda fitting stats. Celebrate do not hate.

 

[clout]

There is no big four. If Wawrinka can get back to the top 10 and continue to be a threat at big tourneys while Murray can't, then the big 4 will forever be debunked.

 

[Milehigh5280]

I'm not saying Djokovic is better, but you could argue he had the hardest path in winning each of his slams. He always had to face either one of the two greatest players or a multiple slam winning hall of famer in Murray or Stan

 

[swordtennis]

I'm not saying Djokovic is better, but you could argue he had the hardest path in winning each of his slams. He always had to face either one of the two greatest players or a multiple slam winning hall of famer in Murray or Stan

When i hear anything associated with weak era and djokovic i scratch my head. Noob nole was dropped face first smack dab in the middle of the fedal furnace. He was forged in the kilns of the gods. Redick we hear dissing of djoko.

 

[Djokovic2011]

There is no big four. If Wawrinka can get back to the top 10 and continue to be a threat at big tourneys while Murray can't, then the big 4 will forever be debunked.

I think it's fair to say you're not that big a fan of Murray are you clout?

 

[clout]

I think it's fair to say you're not that big a fan of Murray are you clout?

I'm perfectly fine with Murray as a player but I just don't think it's right to include him in the same group as 3 GOAT candidates, that's all.

Imagine Sampras, Laver, Borg and Courier all playing in the same era and ppl always bunched Courier in with those three. That'd be a bit ridiculous don't you think?

 

[swordtennis]

I think it's fair to say you're not that big a fan of Murray are you clout?

Ya think lol. Murray has prob had it just as brutal as djokovic. Only thing he has had a few easier draws than djoke but that is it.

 

[swordtennis]

I'm perfectly fine with Murray as a player but I just don't think it's right to include him in the same group as 3 GOAT candidates that's all.

But he has been integral in the goat epick novel.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I'm perfectly fine with Murray as a player but I just don't think it's right to include him in the same group as 3 GOAT candidates that's all.

Certainly not in terms of overall career achievements but in terms of consistency over a long period of time he's much closer to Fedalovic than Wawrinka is and it isn't even close.

 

[Antonio Puente]

I'm not saying Djokovic is better, but you could argue he had the hardest path in winning each of his slams. He always had to face either one of the two greatest players or a multiple slam winning hall of famer in Murray or Stan

That only makes sense if you believe Fed and Nadal would have lost four finals to Murray and Stan. Without beating Djoker a combined four times in finals, they wouldn't be multiple slam winners.

 

[clout]

Certainly not in terms of overall career achievements but in terms of consistency over a long period of time he's much closer to Fedalovic than Wawrinka is and it isn't even close.

He is in terms of consistency, but achievements and totality is what ppl will look at 20-30 years from now and in that case, Wawrinka is closer to Murray than Murray is to Djokovic

 

[weakera]

Murray's inclusions should be thrown out the window here. To include him in the same breath as Joko, Ned or Fed is a Joko.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Total score:

Djokovic 33
Nadal 23
Federer 16

 

[D.Nalby12]

Beating second tier player Murray is not same as beating ATGs like Nadal and Federer. It's more like Fedr beating in form Hewitt, Roddick, Gonzo, Nalby and Safin.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

There is no big four. If Wawrinka can get back to the top 10 and continue to be a threat at big tourneys while Murray can't, then the big 4 will forever be debunked.

Titles in the tournaments above:

Murray 18
Wawrinka 4

 

[D.Nalby12]

What is Djokovic' score if you remove Murray?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Amazing

 

[Antonio Puente]

Total score:

Djokovic 33
Nadal 23
Federer 16

If you subtract Murray, it's 23-23, right?

 

[D.Nalby12]

If you subtract Murray, it's 23-23, right?

Nadal has never beat Murray in big Final?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

That only makes sense if you believe Fed and Nadal would have lost four finals to Murray and Stan. Without beating Djoker a combined four times in finals, they wouldn't be multiple slam winners.

It may be true for Wawrinka (who still showed an amazing consistency in 2013-17's grand slams, beating the other big4 too), not at all for Murray: Djokovic beat peak Murray (2011-16) in 8 slam matches out of 10.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Nadal has never beat Murray in big Final?

Yeah, one, I think. Might be 23-22? Feel free to count it.

 

[OhYes]

What about having someone lower in skills, determination and consistency than Murray ?
Every player would wish such player in final, even big 3.
If you want just to check hardness of reaching a title, you can put Wawrinka, Delpo or Cilic in those stats, I believe result would be the same.

 

[FHtennisman]

Federer's record

Such a mug; his GOAT status is based on the weakera where he feasted on mugs and clowns!

 

[E36BMWM3]

Finals won against a big4 member in each big annual event:

DJOKOVIC

Australian Open: 6
Roland Garros: 1
Wimbledon: 3
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 4
Indian Wells: 3
Miami: 4
MonteCarlo: 1
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 3
Canadian Open: 1
Cincinnati: 1
Shanghai/Madrid: 1
Bercy: 1

NADAL

Australian Open: 1
Roland Garros: 6
Wimbledon: 1
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 0
Indian Wells: 2
Miami: 0
MonteCarlo: 5
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 4
Canadian Open: 0
Cincinnati: 0
Shanghai/Madrid: 0
Bercy: 0

FEDERER

Australian Open: 2
Roland Garros: 0
Wimbledon: 3
US Open: 2
ATP Finals: 1
Indian Wells: 0
Miami: 2
MonteCarlo: 0
Madrid/Hamburg: 2
Rome: 0
Canadian Open: 0
Cincinnati: 3
Shanghai/Madrid: 1
Bercy: 0

Federer and Nadal never beat a big4 member in 6 big events' finals, while Djokovic did it in all of them.

An even more amazing stat are the number of inches that your head is stuck up Djokovic's arse

 

[clout]

Titles in the tournaments above:

Murray 18
Wawrinka 4

Murray >>> Wawrinka easily, there's no debate about that whatsoever. However, I believe the gap between Murray and Wawrinka is closer than the gap between Murray and Djokovic.

Slams:
Federer- 20
Nadal- 17
Djokovic- 13
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 3
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 0; Gap between player in third & Murray: 10

Slam Finals:

Federer- 30
Nadal- 24
Djokovic- 22
Murray- 11
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 7; Gap between player in third & Murray: 11

Year End Number One:
Federer- 5
Nadal- 4 (likely 5 by the end of the year)
Djokovic- 4
Murray- 1
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 1; Gap between player in third & Murray: 3

Weeks at number one:
Federer- 310
Nadal- 187
Djokovic- 223
Murray- 41
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 41; Gap between player in third & Murray: 146

Masters Titles:
Federer- 27
Nadal- 33
Djokovic- 31
Murray- 14
Wawrinka- 1
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 13; Gap between player in third & Murray: 13

Career Slam:
Federer- Won all 4
Nadal- Won all 4
Djokovic- Won all 4
Murray- Won 2/4
Wawrinka- Won 3/4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: Wawrinka leads 3/4 to 2/4; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4/4 > 2/4

Big Titles (including Majors, Masters, WTF and Olympics):
Federer- 53
Nadal- 51
Djokovic- 49
Murray- 20
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 16; Gap between player in third & Murray: 29

Wins vs top 10 players:
Federer- 214
Nadal- 161
Djokovic- 187
Murray- 101
Wawrinka- 52
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 49; Gap between player in third & Murray: 60

Wins vs players who've been in the top 10:
Federer- 599
Nadal- 468
Djokovic- 427
Murray- 298
Wawrinka- 165
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 133 Gap between player in third & Murray: 129

Major Match Wins:
Federer- 300 something
Nadal- 245
Djokovic- 253
Murray- 189
Wawrinka- 134
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 55; Gap between player in third & Murray: 56

Year End Top 2:
Federer- 11
Nadal- 9
Djokovic- 6
Murray- 2
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 2; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4

Year End Top 3:
Federer- 13
Nadal- 10
Djokovic- 10
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 3; Gap between player in third & Murray: 7​

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Murray >>> Wawrinka easily, there's no debate about that whatsoever. However, I believe the gap between Murray and Wawrinka is closer than the gap between Murray and Djokovic.

Slams:
Federer- 20
Nadal- 17
Djokovic- 13
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 3
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 0; Gap between player in third & Murray: 10

Slam Finals:

Federer- 30
Nadal- 24
Djokovic- 22
Murray- 11
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 7; Gap between player in third & Murray: 11

Year End Number One:
Federer- 5
Nadal- 4 (likely 5 by the end of the year)
Djokovic- 4
Murray- 1
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 1; Gap between player in third & Murray: 3

Weeks at number one:
Federer- 310
Nadal- 187
Djokovic- 223
Murray- 41
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 41; Gap between player in third & Murray: 146

Masters Titles:
Federer- 27
Nadal- 33
Djokovic- 31
Murray- 14
Wawrinka- 1
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 13; Gap between player in third & Murray: 13

Career Slam:
Federer- Won all 4
Nadal- Won all 4
Djokovic- Won all 4
Murray- Won 2/4
Wawrinka- Won 3/4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: Wawrinka leads 3/4 to 2/4; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4/4 > 2/4

Big Titles (including Majors, Masters, WTF and Olympics):
Federer- 53
Nadal- 51
Djokovic- 49
Murray- 20
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 16; Gap between player in third & Murray: 29

Wins vs top 10 players:
Federer- 214
Nadal- 161
Djokovic- 187
Murray- 101
Wawrinka- 52
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 49; Gap between player in third & Murray: 60

Wins vs players who've been in the top 10:
Federer- 599
Nadal- 468
Djokovic- 427
Murray- 298
Wawrinka- 165
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 133 Gap between player in third & Murray: 129

Major Match Wins:
Federer- 300 something
Nadal- 245
Djokovic- 253
Murray- 189
Wawrinka- 134
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 55; Gap between player in third & Murray: 56

Year End Top 2:
Federer- 11
Nadal- 9
Djokovic- 6
Murray- 2
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 2; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4

Year End Top 3:
Federer- 13
Nadal- 10
Djokovic- 10
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 3; Gap between player in third & Murray: 7​

True, but Wawrinka is closer to Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga, than he is to Murray.

 

[ABCD]

Murray >>> Wawrinka easily, there's no debate about that whatsoever. However, I believe the gap between Murray and Wawrinka is closer than the gap between Murray and Djokovic.

Slams:
Federer- 20
Nadal- 17
Djokovic- 13
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 3
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 0; Gap between player in third & Murray: 10

Slam Finals:

Federer- 30
Nadal- 24
Djokovic- 22
Murray- 11
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 7; Gap between player in third & Murray: 11

Year End Number One:
Federer- 5
Nadal- 4 (likely 5 by the end of the year)
Djokovic- 4
Murray- 1
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 1; Gap between player in third & Murray: 3

Weeks at number one:
Federer- 310
Nadal- 187
Djokovic- 223
Murray- 41
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 41; Gap between player in third & Murray: 146

Masters Titles:
Federer- 27
Nadal- 33
Djokovic- 31
Murray- 14
Wawrinka- 1
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 13; Gap between player in third & Murray: 13

Career Slam:
Federer- Won all 4
Nadal- Won all 4
Djokovic- Won all 4
Murray- Won 2/4
Wawrinka- Won 3/4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: Wawrinka leads 3/4 to 2/4; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4/4 > 2/4

Big Titles (including Majors, Masters, WTF and Olympics):
Federer- 53
Nadal- 51
Djokovic- 49
Murray- 20
Wawrinka- 4
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 16; Gap between player in third & Murray: 29

Wins vs top 10 players:
Federer- 214
Nadal- 161
Djokovic- 187
Murray- 101
Wawrinka- 52
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 49; Gap between player in third & Murray: 60

Wins vs players who've been in the top 10:
Federer- 599
Nadal- 468
Djokovic- 427
Murray- 298
Wawrinka- 165
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 133 Gap between player in third & Murray: 129

Major Match Wins:
Federer- 300 something
Nadal- 245
Djokovic- 253
Murray- 189
Wawrinka- 134
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 55; Gap between player in third & Murray: 56

Year End Top 2:
Federer- 11
Nadal- 9
Djokovic- 6
Murray- 2
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 2; Gap between player in third & Murray: 4

Year End Top 3:
Federer- 13
Nadal- 10
Djokovic- 10
Murray- 3
Wawrinka- 0
Gap between Murray & Wawrinka: 3; Gap between player in third & Murray: 7​

You forgot some crucial statistics: 1) Grand Slam (hold of all 4 GS at the same time) and 2) Career Masters (wining all masters), 3) Out of how many on ATP tour (matches in case of matches, years in case of years, slams played in case of slams etc.).

 

[Red Rick]

On a logarithmic scale Murray is much closer

Duh

 

[Sport]

Djokovic never beat Nadal or Federer in an Olympic match. Thus, he has not defeated Fedal in any big title.

 

[ABCD]

Djokovic never beat Nadal or Federer in an Olympic match. Thus, he has not defeated Fedal in any big title.

Is this you on your avatar?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Is this you on your avatar?

That's Taxi Driver DeNiro movie.

 

[ABCD]

That's Taxi Driver DeNiro movie.

Hitman, my friend, did you really doubt me? This is a movie from my youth I watched many times. However, this does not answer my question.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Djokovic never beat Nadal or Federer in an Olympic match. Thus, he has not defeated Fedal in any big title.

It's not an annual tournament, he had only 3 chances.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Big 4?

How many of Djoker's are vs. Murray?

Exactly. Had Roger ever met Murray in a FO final, hello DCGS! Why is Murray even in the mix? He skews the results ridiculously. Don’t compare a guy with 3 majors with those having 20, 17 or even 13.

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic never beat Nadal or Federer in an Olympic match. Thus, he has not defeated Fedal in any big title.

Olympics is an exhibition.

 

[ABCD]

Exactly. Had Roger ever met Murray in a FO final, hello DCGS! Why is Murray even in the mix? He skews the results ridiculously. Don’t compare a guy with 3 majors with those having 20, 17 or even 13.

 

[metsman]

When i hear anything associated with weak era and djokovic i scratch my head. Noob nole was dropped face first smack dab in the middle of the fedal furnace. He was forged in the kilns of the gods. Redick we hear dissing of djoko.

you should be a fantasy fiction writer or something.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Exactly. Had Roger ever met Murray in a FO final, hello DCGS! Why is Murray even in the mix? He skews the results ridiculously. Don’t compare a guy with 3 majors with those having 20, 17 or even 13.

The topic takes into account the masters and the YEC too, where Murray isn't so far from Fedalovic. Titles:

Djokovic 36
Nadal 33
Federer 33
Murray 15

 

[metsman]

The topic takes into account the masters and the YEC too, where Murray isn't so far from Fedalovic. Titles:

Djokovic 36
Nadal 33
Federer 33
Murray 15

not so far. Huh, do you read numbers from right to left by any chance?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

I'm not saying Murray is on the same level as Fedal, I'm saying Djokovic beat Fedal OR Murray, which is still more impressive than beating other players, who are not on the same level as Murray's.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

not so far. Huh, do you read numbers from right to left by any chance?

In the other tournaments he's not as far as he is in slams. That's what I meant.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Anyway Federer and Nadal won only 63% of their matches against Murray, and only 50% in finals, so I don't know why you think they would have beaten him easily in finals.

It's better not to have him around, that's for sure.

 

[Enceladus]

Olympics is an exhibition.

Poster Sport just provokes.

 

[ABCD]

Anyway Federer and Nadal won only 63% of their matches against Murray, and only 50% in finals, so I don't know why you think they would have beaten him easily in finals.

Don't be surprised, BeatlesFan does not know much about tennis. Federer overtook Murray in H2H just recently after he developed his game in post-2014 period. Current H2H is 14:11 for Federer and until 2014 it was 11:9 for Murray. Thus, Fed won 56% of matches played against Murray. These numbers show that a statement that Murray is a non-factor suggest either a total lack of information or deliberate laying.