Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Tbf Murray gained most of his wins at a time when many mugs feasted on Fed.
Federev
G.O.A.T.
Novak is an amazing ATG. He might very well get into the GOAT convo before he hangs it up.
But once again ignored is the fact that Fed does not really belong in this generation.
The big 4 should be the big 3 by now without Fed.
His peak ended long before Novak had his and he’s stayed wayyyy late in the game and should have lopsided losing H2H’s against all these ATGs by now. It’s amazing he doesn’t.
At 37, still contending for slams, and #1 or #2 in the world for part of EVERY year since 2003 - including this year and last ... this is ridiculous.
It’s a bit of apples and oranges to me at this point.
Go to https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/roger-federer-vs-andy-murray/f324/mc10
and you will realize that you are mistaken. Murray was most successful against Federer in 2008 and 2009. It is true that Federer was a weaker player than present, but the field was much weaker and Federer has done very well against the field, but not against Murray.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
I was referring to that period. Guy won one title above 250 in 2008 and the next one was Madrid in 2009.
What is going on with you? In 2008 Federer played 3 GS finals and won US Open. In 2009 Federer played 4GS finals and won FO and W. Twilight zone music.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Yes the fed fans are in reality. Sure big guy.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
that's not what I meant, I was just talking about you writing style of sensationalizing everything
Mainad
Bionic Poster
No it won't. Just being a 'threat' won't cut it. Wawrinka has got to pad out his Slam count and/or win other big titles eg. WTF and get to the top of the rankings like the real Big 4 have done.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Or more to the point, if you beat 2 of the big 4 before the final then it's less good than beating one of them in the final?
Not that I'm saying this happened, but let's say Nadal beating Djokovic in the semis of Canada 2013, or Fed beating Nadal in the WTF semis
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Give me a list of all these mugs who 'feasted' on Fed to anything like the extent that Murray did?
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
What are you smoking? First off, Djokovic is no mug and neither is Stan.
As for the others, their H2Hs vs Fed:
Fish 1-8
Roddick 3-21
Stepanek 2-14
Simon 2-6
Karlovic 1-13
Blake 1-10
Even Stan is 3-21 (same as Roddick) .
Murray is 11-14, more than all those 'mugs' put together.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
I was referring to the 2008-2009 period. Djokovic had an asterisk because while he was in his prime period but Fed was playing crapola but when he Novak was playing crapola in 2009 he barely met Fed.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Fed was not 'crapola' in 2008-9. He won 3 Slams ('08 USO, '09 FO and '09 Wimbledon). Might have been poor by his peak standards but still far from 'crapola'.
TahoeTennis
Legend
Tbf tbh is ftw, lol
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
From 2008 AO before 2009 Madrid he won only one title above 250.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
That one title was still a Slam. Wasn't most of 2008 his Mono year anyway?
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
It's when the losses come to Nadal and Djokovic,that federer was crapola and far from his prime. That's when the excuses come up. These excuses are already planned beforehand lmao, everything is already planned by the fans.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Partly and partly back issues at the end of the year
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
They played 5 times in 2009. I don't think that constitutes as hardly meeting.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Fed was mugging around for the first two meetings but when was Novak was mugging around (mostly in the slams) they didn't meet till USO.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Murray has definitely showed he's good enough to beat a decent Federer in Masters and lesser tournaments, but when it comes to the biggest stuff, he's got 3 wins, 2 of them when Fed was clearly struggling and even then it was fairly close (WTF 08, AO 13). Olympics 12 is the exception, because even though Federer was obviously tired, Murray pummeled him there alright, which makes me think that he could have honestly beaten Rogr even without the Delpo curse. Olympics was probably Murray's best ever tournament - beat Djokovic and Federer back-to-back in straight break sets without conceding serve once, very impressive!
Except that poster didn’t mention Nadal or Djokovic at all... Fed was quite often crapola outside of slams in 2008-2009 which is where most his losses to Murray, Roddick, Fish, Blake, Karlovic, Stepanek, Tsonga etc came from.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
he was crapola at basically every non-slam event in 08-09 besides 09 Madrid/Cincy/WTF, 08 Madrid/Basel/Hamburg/MC. He started giving a crap outside slams after 2011 USO where it was made clear he would need to vulture to get back to #1.
