Among the Next-Gen players...

CYGS

Legend
Who's likely to break through in slams?

My bet is on Coric. He has the discipline, will and skills to make it.

Kyrgios and Zverev are jerks, so I hope Coric can pull it off, or tennis would be unwatchable after Big 3 retire.
 
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Deleted member 756486

Guest
I hope De Minaur but probably Zverev or Coric.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
The sad truth is that none of them look very special to me. I hope Chung gets his act together as he does have some distinguishing characteristics
 

onyxrose81

Hall of Fame
Chung’s serve will never allow him to get a slam.

It’ll be either Sascha or Coric probably. I’m banking on Coric because I don’t think Zeverev has the tools for Bo5.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.

This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.

Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
 

CYGS

Legend
Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.

This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.

Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Djokovic won his 1st slam at 20 in 2008.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Djokovic won his 1st slam at 20 in 2008.

Ah. Got it. I thought that you meant the next person to dominate for a year. I misread your statement.

I think Coric could be the next guy to win a slam. But I think that Zverev could be the next guy to dominate. Coric will probably be too injury prone.

This excludes Thiem because he is not next-gen, right?

Otherwise, my answer would have been Thiem on both accounts.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Chung’s serve will never allow him to get a slam.

It’ll be either Sascha or Coric probably. I’m banking on Coric because I don’t think Zeverev has the tools for Bo5.
Shots can improve. He’s tall enough and has strong legs. Just needs to get the technique down. He has a decent serve speed but has no accuracy at all. Way too many DFs and shots in the middle of the service box
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Ah. Got it. I thought that you meant the next person to dominate for a year. I misread your statement.

I think Coric could be the next guy to win a slam. But I think that Zverev could be the next guy to dominate. Coric will probably be too injury prone.

This excludes Thiem because he is not next-gen, right?

Otherwise, my answer would have been Thiem on both accounts.
Thiem is the NextGen's spiritual leader, but he's squarely in his prime so now at age 25 no longer NextGen.
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.

This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.

Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Djoker by age 22:

1 Slam title, 1 additional slam final, 5 additional slam semis, 5 masters titles, no.3 in the world.

Coric by age 22:

Marakech and Halle titles LOL and no slam QF.
 

NuBas

Legend
Its Zverev next. He's not a jerk, he's just very passionate. Other than him, only probably Chung if he can stay healthy. Coric is more like Wawrinka, he'll make his mark later on.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Let’s not write these guys off just yet. Djoker broke though during his age-24 season.

This is only coric’s age-22 season and Zverev’s age 21 season. Coric seems like a good bet. But I worry that he will break down. He has already had knee surgery.

Zverev seems like the best bet. But Djoker and Nadal will make him wait a couple more years.
Its really quite a crop with Edmund turning 24 in January getting back on track after multiple Tonsil issues have derailed his year, but now has moved back up to 13 in the ATP race. With his serve and forehand plus the rest of his game, a slam can't be ruled out down the road. He's got an excellent chance of making top ten next year.

Jarry burst onto the scene this year and just turned 23. Big serve and ultimate aggression plus oddly a clay based game. 36 in ATP race and probably rising until Rio next year. Top 20 can't be ruled out by then if he takes to Australia like has to North American hard courts. Wins over Thiem on clay and Cilic plus the Rio final.

Medvedev has really astounded of late including his dismissal of an in form Nishikori in the Tokyo final. The ultimate troll who loves to take down local heroes with the entire fan base against him. Red hot form and 18 in the ATP race. 3 tourney wins this year. The tall Medvedev is making great strides with his serve game so top 10 next year or very close seems in hand especially since a bad knee destroyed his 2018 grass results. Has a suddenly more efficient game yet also can grind with the best from the baseline. Auz Open should be favorable surface ongoing as well. Turns 23 in February.

Khachanov has had a banner year and has stunned me with his hard court results post Wimbledon despite facing some very tough opponents:
R32 Hard Stefanos Tsitsipas Karen Khachanov 6-4 7-6(8) H2H 2.10 - 1.69
40 / 2018 Beijing
R16 Hard Juan Martin Del Potro Karen Khachanov 6-4 7-6(4) H2H 1.33 - 3.25
38 / 2018 St. Petersburg
R16 I Hard Stan Wawrinka Karen Khachanov 7-6(10) 7-6(1) H2H 2.40 - 1.57
35 / 2018 US Open
R32 Hard Rafael Nadal Karen Khachanov 5-7 7-5 7-6(7) 7-6(3) H2H 1.10 - 7.50
32 / 2018 Cincinnati Masters
R16 Hard Marin Cilic Karen Khachanov 7-6(5) 3-6 6-4 H2H 1.50 - 2.50
32 / 2018 Canadian Masters
SF Hard Rafael Nadal Karen Khachanov 7-6(3) 6-4 H2H 1.20 - 4.80

Khach is on fire and turns 23 in May. 23 in ATP race and likely top 20 by year end. Can't be rules out for slams with his serve and ground game.

Chung also turns 23 in May and has floundered this year due to injuries, but slowly climbing back late this year. Its easy to be pessimistic, but still 24 in race and a good chance of making top 20 by year end. Showed his stuff at Auz Open so can't be ruled out from slam contention as his serve game inevitably improves over the coming years; just needs some healthy patches.

Coric is just 21 years old (22 come November) and with his penchant for beating Fed he could make a deep slam run soon. 11th in the ATP race and he's got the stats to win Roland Garros and the matchup with Thiem, Zverev, and Nadal. Some injury issues stopped his progress on clay. With his wins over Fed on grass and hard this year hard to rule him out from winning any of the slams. Possible multi-slam winner, but the biggest choker of the bunch and some injury issues.

Zverev turns 22 in April and obvious potential to win all four slams.

Rublev turns 21 this month and has been derailed by horrible fractured back injury just before clay season. Hard to be optimistic, but top 5 potential in the long run for sure. Still very young.

Tiafoe turns 21 in January and sits at 41 in the race with loads of long run potential. Could easily win some slams and highly regarded by McEnroe.

The cream of the crop:
Tsitsipas - just turned 20 in August and my favorite player of the bunch. Tremendous potential on clay and has delivered big time on all the other surfaces this year. 14 in the ATP race and should be top ten in short order. Has every facet of the game. A clay court version of Federer with a far, far superior backhand. Will have a good shot at winning all four majors in his career.
de Minaur - turns 20 in February and already 28th in ATP race. A lot of serve for his height and tremendous speed. Could easily be a slam winner. An odd game given the "Demon" has spent a lot of time, but currently doesn't have the power to thrive on clay (top tier counter puncher.) Hard to rule out from slams like his mentor, the even more diminutive Hewitt.
Shapovalov - turns 20 in April, slight blip this Summer due to serve overhaul, but his return game up nicely this year and serve game awesome for his age and height. 27th in ATP race and with his impressive, surprise clay season can't be ruled out from winning all four majors in his career.
Auger Alliasime - just turned 18 in August. A little bit far out with the stats and I'm not happy with his failure to make Milan this year after being in range last year. Has game to win slams on all surfaces, but because early and the slowdown in ranking progress I'd say top ten assured in the future.

What are the prospects for these players ongoing:
1. Edmund at near age 24 is pretty much down making rapid progress, but should slowly improve for years to come.
2. Jarry's clock is ticking at age 23 and we'll soon see what he can do on clay next year. Might have one more big speed boost to propel him up the rankings. Really Med, Khach, and Chung in the same boat with another performance jump possible in 2019.
3. Coric amazingly has two more years where he may have big performance jumps so his prospects are very, very bright.
4. Rublev and Tiafoe with three more years where big performance jumps likely.
5. Tsitsi 3.5 more years with big jumps possible
6. Four more years of rapid progress for Shapo and Demon.
7. 5.5 years for FAA

Loads and loads of talent on the horizon. Strong Era has begun with unprecedented potential through 2030.

We've had the big 4 for over ten years now. FAA, Tsitsi, Shapo, Zverev and Coric have potential to win all four slams. Coric has potential Murray caliber career possible. And the other 4 big 3 potential. Throw in de Minaur and Tiafoe plus Rublev with some slam potential and its quite a group not even accounting for the obvious threat of the Medvedev and Khachanov serve games. DIAMOND ERA INCOMING CONFIRMED.o_O
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Djoker by age 22:

1 Slam title, 1 additional slam final, 5 additional slam semis, 5 masters titles, no.3 in the world.

Coric by age 22:

Marakech and Halle titles LOL and no slam QF.
Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut.
 

Fedole

Semi-Pro
Zverev and Coric being talked about as the biggest next gen stars? Lol that is so 2014. Tsitsipas, De Minaur and Felix are gonna be better :cool:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut.
Your Next Gen players would have still been trashed in that "vacuum" era an would have been slamless :D Including Thiem :D
 

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
Stefanos seems to have the Cajones to be the next big star on the tour.

Ah. Got it. I thought that you meant the next person to dominate for a year. I misread your statement.

I think Coric could be the next guy to win a slam. But I think that Zverev could be the next guy to dominate. Coric will probably be too injury prone.

This excludes Thiem because he is not next-gen, right?

Otherwise, my answer would have been Thiem on both accounts.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Your Next Gen players would have still been trashed in that "vacuum" era an would have been slamless :D Including Thiem :D
To be quite fair, junkballing was not the only highlight of the 2003 – 2007. Let’s take another look at the highlights now, shall we?

- top-competition high-mileage Sampras limping toward retirement bench
- brokeback Agassi crawling into slam finals between acid hits and cortison injections
- Safin already spiritual leader of Eurasia playing tennis part-time still all over slams
- 3.5-volley Roddick firmly stuck in top 10, waltzing all over slam finals
- Witten-Fish-Nalbandian alternate between buffet eating contests, deep slam draws, and weight-loss clinics
- Baghdatis eats 20 hotdogs between slam semis and finals
- Ginepri torn up between Atlanta 4.5 playoffs and USO semis
- goes on and on
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
To be quite fair, junkballing was not the only highlight of the 2003 – 2007. Let’s take another look at the highlights now, shall we?

- top-competition high-mileage Sampras limping toward retirement bench
- brokeback Agassi crawling into slam finals between acid hits and cortison injections
- Safin already spiritual leader of Eurasia playing tennis part-time still all over slams
- 3.5-volley Roddick firmly stuck in top 10, waltzing all over slam finals
- Witten-Fish-Nalbandian alternate between buffet eating contests, deep slam draws, and weight-loss clinics
- Baghdatis eats 20 hotdogs between slam semis and finals
- Ginepri torn up between Atlanta 4.5 playoffs and USO semis
- goes on and on
Why not mention how Anderson is suddenly reaching multiple slam finals and Isner is suddenly reaching slam semis in this strong era? :D

Or how Zverev is in the top 5 and vulnerable to every top 50 player in slams.

Or how Thiem is useless off clay despite being 25 now and is vulnerable to every top 30 player off clay. And he is in the top 10. And he is the 2nd best on clay with no masters titles on the surface.

I could go on, but you understand the gist ;)
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
I would have said the same before this season. Now Shapo explicitly targeting RG.:D
Shapo is the new version of your favorite player Roddick and shares similar prospects when it comes to clay. If he converts better, maybe he can end up with a nicer slam tally overall than A-Rod who lost a lot of finals.

Fittingly, Roddick also made a semi in a clay masters (Rome) at age 19, also eventually getting stopped by a handsome German;) similarities abound.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Why not mention how Anderson is suddenly reaching multiple slam finals and Isner is suddenly reaching slam semis in this strong era? :D

Or how Zverev is in the top 5 and vulnerable to every top 50 player in slams.

Or how Thiem is useless off clay despite being 25 now and is vulnerable to every top 30 player off clay. And he is in the top 10. And he is the 2nd best on clay with no masters titles on the surface.

I could go on, but you understand the gist ;)
ur fed sucks like an old german vacuum:D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Shapo is the new version of your favorite player Roddick and shares similar prospects when it comes to clay. If he converts better, maybe he can end up with a nicer slam tally overall than A-Rod who lost a lot of finals.

Fittingly, Roddick also made a semi in a clay masters (Rome) at age 19, also eventually getting stopped by a handsome German;) similarities abound.
Agree Shapo is very much in the Roddick stats box that's why its critical he keep making progress on return. Hoping for something from Shapo here at the end of the year as his serve seems to be heading in the right direction.

By the way Rublev v Kyrgios first round clash at Kremlin days away.:eek:
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Agree Shapo is very much in the Roddick stats box that's why its critical he keep making progress on return. Hoping for something from Shapo here at the end of the year as his serve seems to be heading in the right direction.

By the way Rublev v Kyrgios first round clash at Kremlin days away.:eek:

Yes, they are a bit of the same type of player stat-wise.

Still. Shap's current (last year) stats: SPW: 65.6% and RPW: 35.1%.

Roddick in 2001, when he was Shapo's age (4–5 months younger): SPW: 69.9%, RPW: 36.3%. What an impressive youngster.

So perhaps Shapo would be lucky to match Roddick's impressive consistency near the top too. What do I know. Or perhaps the current trend of later development of players allows Denis to still reach Roddickesque heights.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Yes, they are a bit of the same type of player stat-wise.

Still. Shap's current (last year) stats: SPW: 65.6% and RPW: 35.1%.

Roddick in 2001, when he was Shapo's age (4–5 months younger): SPW: 69.9%, RPW: 36.3%. What an impressive youngster.

So perhaps Shapo would be lucky to match Roddick's impressive consistency near the top too. What do I know. Or perhaps the current trend of later development of players allows Denis to still reach Roddickesque heights.
It was easier for Roddick early because Poly had not made big inroads outside of the clay courters.

I like to exclusively look at hard court numbers so let me get my Shapo tea leaves out....:
2017 from Rogers Cup forward we have 67.4% on serve and 36.0% on return.
This Summer forward to now we have 64.5% on serve and 36.9% on return.

This matches with the eye test on return where Shapo just seems a bit better. New serve motion has clobbered his serving numbers and we'll see if my eye test is right and he's getting used to new serve this last event.

Serve is really a side show and the return is most critical for Shapo lest he become another Roddick type. So I have 2018 Shapo at 36.9%, but if we add in early year he's at 36.1% for all of 2018 on hard courts. 2017 was 35.9% on hard courts, but all challengers before Rogers Cup.

Roddick in 2000 we don't have challenger data so a four months younger Roddick won 31.2% of return points in 2000 the year he turned 18 on hard court ATP events. Shapo was 36.0% in similar events when 18. 2001 Roddick jumps to 37.0% on return, better than Shapo but a more limited schedule. If we do post Wimbledon, Roddick is 38.2% which is very nice to Shapo's 36.9% so far this year post Wimbledon. Roddick stuck around this return level until 2005 when he dropped down and was a lesser returner. Unlike Shapo, Roddick jumped his serve points won to 69.0% while Shapo for the time is stuck in reverse.

Another reality is that some of the Roddick decline on return in 2005 and beyond was the new Poly game which elevated baseline play and everyone's serve. Not so sure a young Roddick would have returned quite as well early on in the current environment. Roddick also was a bigger, less mobile slug which didn't help him maintain his youthful serving levels, so Shapo has more room for improvement given his speed advantage. If Shapo gets to 38% on hard return points and maintains that most of his career it will be enough to do very, very well at slams. Roddick's numbers dropped down to an area from 2005 onwards that made it difficult for him to wins slams.

Physics is a bit against Shapo on serve. Despite some eye test serving improvement in early 2018, before the mid-season change, Shapo still at a healthy 66.8% serve points won on early hard courts. Was hoping he'd be at 68% now, but they had to mess with this serve.:rolleyes:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I really never figured out that you were emulating SoBad. ;) Haven't seen that poster in a long time. Wonder what happened to him.
Stopped posting just a little over a year ago. I think my two last replies were complete quotes with no changes hehe.;) I loved Sobad's style so enjoying the excavation of his nearly 10,000 posts. His 2003-2007 diatribe I love because I can fight back against the whole comparison thing short and sweet.

You brought up Djoko and he and Murray are the fairest comparisons with what NextGen face, but still I think it was easier for them to break in. Basically they had Roddick (Cilic/Anderson type by then with bigger serve and less ground game), young Nadal on hard courts, and Fed starting to falter. I'll take Fed 2017 over Fed 2008. Nadal 2017 over Nadal 2008 on hard courts and not all that far off on clay to his peak clay year in 2008. Djoko2018 definitely rougher customer than 2008 Djoko. We could argue over all these details and its just much easier for me to go to the SoBad playbook:cool: and then we really avoid the whole discussion for what must be the hundredth time on TTW. My adaption "Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut." much betterer and much more succinct than the rest of this paragraph.

My new term Diamond Age is what I see coming up. I doubt any of these players will be big 3 dominant, but I do think they will be around the Agassi level in accomplishments. So for four to have such great prospects and perhaps Coric (who might shed his choking ways yet) as a Murray type is really quite good. Much of the rest of the top 20 is almost in the bag pretty much with the list above and they are a very, very nice group of players to watch.

If one-legged Coric can compete with Djoko in top form they all have hope and I think as a group they will take their toll much like with what happened to Nadal at US Open with Khach, Basha, and then Thiem gauntlet. Federe got bled my Med early in Shanghai and was ripe for the picking come Coric after Nishikori match. Its just a matter of time before Djoko's aura gets tarnished and we have to remember Shanghai has been a great surface for him. The much faster Paris, WTF, and Auz Open will be a different kettle of fish from what he was used to pre 2016.;)

The game is afoot big time and its a very interesting time, as in the Strong Era. If only Murray could come back then we'd have a perfect storm of young and old. One more Auz for Federe would be fine by me.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Stopped posting just a little over a year ago. I think my two last replies were complete quotes with no changes hehe.;) I loved Sobad's style so enjoying the excavation of his nearly 10,000 posts. His 2003-2007 diatribe I love because I can fight back against the whole comparison thing short and sweet.

You brought up Djoko and he and Murray are the fairest comparisons with what NextGen face, but still I think it was easier for them to break in. Basically they had Roddick (Cilic/Anderson type by then with bigger serve and less ground game), young Nadal on hard courts, and Fed starting to falter. I'll take Fed 2017 over Fed 2008. Nadal 2017 over Nadal 2008 on hard courts and not all that far off on clay to his peak clay year in 2008. Djoko2018 definitely rougher customer than 2008 Djoko. We could argue over all these details and its just much easier for me to go to the SoBad playbook:cool: and then we really avoid the whole discussion for what must be the hundredth time on TTW. My adaption "Yeah, but the competition level was still low during that period as the vacuum window of 2003--2007 got shut." much betterer and much more succinct than the rest of this paragraph.

My new term Diamond Age is what I see coming up. I doubt any of these players will be big 3 dominant, but I do think they will be around the Agassi level in accomplishments. So for four to have such great prospects and perhaps Coric (who might shed his choking ways yet) as a Murray type is really quite good. Much of the rest of the top 20 is almost in the bag pretty much with the list above and they are a very, very nice group of players to watch.

If one-legged Coric can compete with Djoko in top form they all have hope and I think as a group they will take their toll much like with what happened to Nadal at US Open with Khach, Basha, and then Thiem gauntlet. Federe got bled my Med early in Shanghai and was ripe for the picking come Coric after Nishikori match. Its just a matter of time before Djoko's aura gets tarnished and we have to remember Shanghai has been a great surface for him. The much faster Paris, WTF, and Auz Open will be a different kettle of fish from what he was used to pre 2016.;)

The game is afoot big time and its a very interesting time, as in the Strong Era. If only Murray could come back then we'd have a perfect storm of young and old. One more Auz for Federe would be fine by me.
Except I don't think young Djokovic and Murray would find it difficult breaking through in this era.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Except I don't think young Djokovic and Murray would find it difficult breaking through in this era.
Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.
Not at all delusional. Maybe 2017 Fedal looked good because there was no one young pushing them out. And it's true.

2007 Djokovic and 2008 Djokovic >>> Zverev.

2008 Murray >>>> Zverev too.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Not at all delusional. Maybe 2017 Fedal looked good because there was no one young pushing them out. And it's true.

2007 Djokovic and 2008 Djokovic >>> Zverev.

2008 Murray >>>> Zverev too.
Zedrot is a good whipping boy. I sense some wind in his sails here at the end of 2018 so we'll see. He's definitely treading water post clay.
 

NuBas

Legend
none of them has done nothing remarkable but zverev 5 masters finals ,won 3 ,hate as much as you want but none of those nextgen is better than him RIGHT NOW .

2019 will be very telling for Zverev with addition of Lendl on his team. Though none of the young guys feel special to me like the Big 3 are. I might be wrong since I did not have chance to watch the Big 3 when they were young but there is no special factor for these current young players, no one stands out exceptionally.
 

Fedole

Semi-Pro
Pretty delusional if you think 2007/2008 Djokoray better than 2017 Fedal or 2018 combo of the three. I'm not so sure their pushery would have fared all that well either in the current environment. Djoko on clay would be fine rolled 10 years forward, but still would have been crushed by Nadal. I look at 2011 Djoko v Nadal run ins and not all that impressed except for 2011 US Open level.

?????o_O
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
The sad truth is that none of them look very special to me. I hope Chung gets his act together as he does have some distinguishing characteristics
None of them are special. All of them have either major holes in their game or just a lack of Slam level upside.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
It would be Cilic, Anderson , Nishikori , RAonic and ISner who would win slams if Big 3 fade and not Coric and Zverev.

Let us see who among the NextGen made the WTF - just Zed alone - and he made a lone grand slam QF and that too Winning multiple 5 setters
 

reaper

Legend
It would be Cilic, Anderson , Nishikori , RAonic and ISner who would win slams if Big 3 fade and not Coric and Zverev.

Let us see who among the NextGen made the WTF - just Zed alone - and he made a lone grand slam QF and that too Winning multiple 5 setters

Momentum is with young players at the moment. There are 6 young (ish) players quite high in the rankings who are at career highs: Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Khachanov, De Minaur, Coric and Edmund.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Momentum is with young players at the moment. There are 6 young (ish) players quite high in the rankings who are at career highs: Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Khachanov, De Minaur, Coric and Edmund.

Together have they made more than 1 QF at a major ? Majors are a different breed than Marrakech and Antalya.
 

reaper

Legend
Together have they made more than 1 QF at a major ? Majors are a different breed than Marrakech and Antalya.

Djokovic is the only real barrier to slam results becoming quite random. Nadal's won 2 slams off clay in 8 years. Federer's won 3 slams in the last 6 years and has deteriorated over the last 6 months. Those 2 aren't capable of dominant runs, neither are Cilic, Del Potro, Raonic, Anderson, Isner et al. The young players who are rising in the rankings will also rise in the slams.
 
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