Amplifeel problem with Wilson BLX Six.One 95 16x18 Racquets 2012
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hcb0804
Hall of Fame
Wrist Pain, hand pain, shoulder pain, any arm pain is almost always the result of poor technique or overuse, not the racquet or the strings. I use the BLX Six.one Pro Staff 100 with amplifeel, with no issues.
It's the Indian, not the bow or arrow.
shaneno
Professional
i play with the 90 and 95 i had not frame or anything my technique was fine and i got this really bad hand pain.
shaneno
Professional
yeah i did too. but i really like the design of this one... currently using ncode six.one 16X18 95
shaneno
Professional
i don't know about u but i play with the Prostaff six.one 90 and prostaff Six.one 95 i had not frame or anything my technique was fine and i got this really bad hand pain that it made it hard to hold my racket.
Yes, sold mine.
The idiots put metal shanks in the handle. My hand has never fully recovered.
Remove the butt cap, push any foam aside, and you'll see the machined ends of the metal shanks/bars.
It got so bad I couldn't close my hand on mornings after a hitting session with the PS 95. Never had that problem with other frame before or since the Pro Staff 95 2012. It's the ONLY frame that caused me so much grief. It felt good while hitting but the after effects were debilitating.
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Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
You know you can't say stuff like that here. Nobody ever has problems with his/her technique and fitness. Everything comes down to equipment "issues".
Pinky hurts, blame the racquet. Knee hurts? Got to be the racquet/strings.
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It's funny that, as I have been a PD user for 10 years, and we all know the label that sticks gets with so called "causes arm trouble" speak!, yet I have found it to be the most comfortable stick for me, and only when I let the better of the "you gotta do some more Demo's" voice get to me, and I start demo-ing do I start to really experience arm pain, and this has happened when I demoed so-called arm friendly sticks ie PK Ki5, K Blades, etc.! I think that Babs have unfairly received his reputation of causing arm pain personally, but I guess we all have our individual experiences
Why do you list your racquet specs in your signature? They don't matter, right?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Learn to interpret simple statements. What does my specs have to do with injuries? Where in my post did I mention a correlation between tennis racquet specs and misc. injuries? My post simply reinforces what others have been saying about OP's post: injuries are likely the result of poor technique and fitness.
But to answer your question, I was asked a few times regarding the specs of my BLX90 in the past. And I never bother to memorize the numbers, so I made the necessary measurements, listed them here. That way, people can look at it without prompting a question, and I can use it as a reference if I need to make changes.
Anything else you want to say?
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So you feel racquet specs are important enough to go through the time consuming effort to use TW's swing weight calculator.
What drives your interest in racquest specs? Why do you want to know yours?
In what manner do you use this information?
You say you posted in reply to questions from others. How might that information help them?
What drives your interest in racquest specs? Why do you want to know yours?
In what manner do you use this information?
You say you posted in reply to questions from others. How might that information help them?
Well that's interesting. Your specs don't match stock specs. You've gone to the trouble of modding your frame.
Clearly you felt the need to change the specs of our stock frame. Why did you do that?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
So you're looking for an argument, as pointless and irrelevant it is. Well good for you, but I choose not to entertain you.
You really don't read, do you? Why do I want to know my specs? I said in my post, so I can use them as a reference point should I need to make changes.
What drive my interest in racquet specs? Because I grew up playing with similarly spec'd racquets, how does that impact you?
Finally, did I point the readers to the specs listed? Did I say anything about my specs and injuries? Did I establish any relationships between my specs and injuries?
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Again, what does my desire to modify racquets to fit my preference have anything to do with injuries?
You claimed the op's injuries were not caused by the frame but by poor technique. In many other threads you've repeatedly denigrated those seeking advice about tennis HARDWARE in a forum dedicated to tennis HARDWARE telling them to improve their technique and not to worry about their hardware.
IMO There's a hardware-related playing experience continuum from extremely negative (to the point of causing injury) to extremely positive (to the point the player is truly free to focus on technique instead of fighting hardware ill-suited for his or her physique and abilities).
Clearly you sought a better playing experience by modifying your hardware. In other words, you felt the need to mod your hardware to push your playing experience towards the positive end of that spectrum.
In my own case any issue I had with hand pain correlated directy with my use of a frame incorporating Ampli-Feel. Use another frame, no pain. Use my frame with Ampli-Feel, pain. Others have reported similar experiences and yet you were so quick to dismiss THEIR negative experiences with hardware while ignoring your OWN negative experience with hardware.
You see, your experience with a stock Tour 90 was negative enough that you spent the time and money to make it more positive by modding it.
Or maybe you should follow your own advice, stop blaming the stock frame for your negative experience, stop wasting your time doing mods, and just use the stock frame and improve tour technique.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
... says the person with a modded Pure Storm GT... yeah alright. Now I know you're just looking for a fight. I'm done with this.
Yes, I mod frames precisely because I do believe it's best to fit the tool to the person as best as possible. No quandry there. I practice what I preach.
You're the one repeatedly denigrating folks for seeking advice on frames and strings telling them to worry about technique and not hardware. I believe technique is paramount but also influenced by hardware for good or bad.
Not looking for a fight. Just suggesting that you refrain from being snarky and dissing other TT members for discussing hardware on a hardware forum.
Allow others the pleasure of doing precisely what you do: figure out how hardware choices can improve their playing experience without being berated by snarky comments about their technique when they make it clear that's not the issue in a given case. Technique CAN be the issue and often is. But why insult the OP by insisting he's wrong and it's his technique to blame? Do you have some secret network of agents who know the OP is wrong?
Or is the privilege of exploring tennis hardware choices and their effect on playing experience reserved for you alone?
Do you feel any vibration that you didn't feel with your other rackets? Any rattling? Does it feel like the grip is not solid?
DonDiego
Hall of Fame
I play with both six one 95 (amplifeel and BLX). At first I thought the amplifeel felt less solid and was transmitting a bit too much «feel» to my arm (was it bad vibrations? Not sure, since the goal of Amplifeel is to REDUCE bad vibrations).
I fixed the problem by increasing my grip size, from a 4 1/2 to a 4 5/8. I did this with an heat shrink sleeve. So not only does my grip feel huge and my hand doesn't move, but the rubber tube seem to have muted at least half of the vibrations I used to feel. So I'm left with the nice smooth feeling of Amplifeel (but not too much), and it feels even more solid than my BLX now.
I have to get used to the bigger grip for my serves. But for volleying, returning big serves and everything else, it's great. I'm never going back to small or medium grip.
Also keep in mind that this racquet is unforgiving. You do need good technique. Miss the sweetspot on heavy balls, and your arm will let you know.
I fixed the problem by increasing my grip size, from a 4 1/2 to a 4 5/8. I did this with an heat shrink sleeve. So not only does my grip feel huge and my hand doesn't move, but the rubber tube seem to have muted at least half of the vibrations I used to feel. So I'm left with the nice smooth feeling of Amplifeel (but not too much), and it feels even more solid than my BLX now.
I have to get used to the bigger grip for my serves. But for volleying, returning big serves and everything else, it's great. I'm never going back to small or medium grip.
Also keep in mind that this racquet is unforgiving. You do need good technique. Miss the sweetspot on heavy balls, and your arm will let you know.
tennisnut09
Rookie
Men, this is scary...I am thinking about switching to this six one 95 16X18 racket. How long does it take you to discover the pain? a few hours, a couple games or a few weeks? what problems start to show up first, like the hand feels tire/weak/sore after hitting? I want to know because i have this racket for demo....this week.
Thx for your reply!
Thx for your reply!
DonDiego
Hall of Fame
Hey, I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a great racquet. And I had a tennis elbow BEFORE using it. And as a matter of fact, my arm is slowly recovering while I'm playing with it. I'd be better off with a more flexible racquet, but with the right strings and the right tension, I'm fine.
I just thought the amplifeel system provided too much feel for me. But like I said, it's not necessarely a bad thing. In fact, it makes volleying very comfortable. I was used to the BLX version so I didn't like it a t first, but increasing my grip size made it perfect. Enjoy your demo, I'm sure you'll love it.
bertrevert
Legend
True to its name it amplifies what the player feels - whatever they feel! :twisted:
Kind of like "Ever So Much More So" (if anyone out there remembers their childhood Rupert books)
Actually, if the amplifeel pad (or whatever it actually is) comes slightly lose, it would vibrate against the racket when the ball is hit, possibly transmitting vibrations to the hand. Of course a heat-shrink sleeve would hold the amplifeel in place, which should fix the problem.
Just a theory, but a decent possibility.
Actually, if the amplifeel pad (or whatever it actually is) comes slightly lose, it would vibrate against the racket when the ball is hit, possibly transmitting vibrations to the hand. Of course a heat-shrink sleeve would hold the amplifeel in place, which should fix the problem.
Just a theory, but a decent possibility.
RoddickistheMan
Professional
This is my racquet of choice. I get no pain to wrist. I did get some pain at first but it was from getting used to smaller sweetspot etc but now its gone. It could be your technique and the overall specs of the racquets (maybe too light who knows) not the amplifeel. I think a sample size of 2 people with pain isnt enough to justify "amplishock" Its a great racquet guys!
Yes, that's right genius, I had zero hand pain prior to the PS 95, had hand pain every morning after using the PS 95, and the pain went away after I stopped using the PS 95. And the tech's stated intention is to INCREASE the feel of the ball's impact through the frame and to the player's hand which can ONLY occur by transmitting more vibration.
In other words, I experienced precisely what Wilson intended, more vibration, but perhaps to a degree far greater than intended which would not be the first time in the history of humans using tools a tool designer made a mistake.
In fact, google tool/vibration/injuries and you'll quickly learn there's an entire field of science behind attempts to REDUCE vibrations which are KNOWN to cause injury while Wilson has deliberately INCREASED vibrations in this particular tool.
Are you always this dense or only when posting on internet forums?
It didn't bother me at first and never during actual play. It was always after a hitting session and usually at night or the following morning.
Injuries or damage Due to tool vibration don't always show up instantly. For example, long term use of power tools at certain frequencies is now known to cause long term damage with the severity varying by person. Some experience the damage sooner than others.
This is why tool companies try to REDUCE tool vibrations instead of increasing them. It's all well understood physics and medicine, nothing fancy here. Just science. Increase shock/vibrations and you get more damage/injuries. And since people are different the rate and severity of damage varies by person.
And whether or not it's a great racquet has NOTHING to do with its intended function of transmitting MORE shock/vibration to the hand. It's very precise and has great spin potential. The only downside is that it's designed by Wilson to deliberately transmit more of the impact vibrations to the hand which might cause damage in some cases.
Saying that calling it "ampli shock" is unjustified ignore the fact that Wilson designed the frame to amplify the transmission of vibration/shock/impact on purpose.
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AYone
Rookie
I share the reactions/observations as the thread-starter. For some reason, the ampli-feel technology in my Wilson ProStaffs was unbearable. It was a little more bearable in my 100 than my 95, and after adding shock-shield replacement grips and softer strings. But who wants to go through all that jazz? Had to move on to other sticks. I'm wondering if its just a ProStaff thing. I played really well with those sticks, so it was very frustrating, to say the least.
Now Wilson is introducing HOLLOW, STIFFER, LIGHTER handles with their new Ampli-Feel 360. Seems like they're doubling down on their old Hammer approach to inflicting tennis elbow.
"The new basalt/graphite construction still filters out jarring vibrations and improves the racquet’s feel. But because it’s hollow, it also increases the handle’s stiffness. Amplifeel 360 strengthens the lower third of the racquet by about 15 percent, which increases the racquet’s power. (Any time we can make a racquet stiffer, it increases the amount of energy that goes back into the ball, because less energy is going into making the racquet bend.) Additionally, the new handle allows us to take grams of foam out of the handle. This gives us the option of taking some weight out of the racquet, or using those grams elsewhere to make the racquet stronger and more powerful. So with Amplifeel 360, you get a little more power, a lighter racquet, and better feel."
John Lyons
Wilson Tennis
http://m.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/gear-talk-wilsons-john-lyons-part-4/39435/#.UOCTzkko6M8
"The new basalt/graphite construction still filters out jarring vibrations and improves the racquet’s feel. But because it’s hollow, it also increases the handle’s stiffness. Amplifeel 360 strengthens the lower third of the racquet by about 15 percent, which increases the racquet’s power. (Any time we can make a racquet stiffer, it increases the amount of energy that goes back into the ball, because less energy is going into making the racquet bend.) Additionally, the new handle allows us to take grams of foam out of the handle. This gives us the option of taking some weight out of the racquet, or using those grams elsewhere to make the racquet stronger and more powerful. So with Amplifeel 360, you get a little more power, a lighter racquet, and better feel."
John Lyons
Wilson Tennis
http://m.tennis.com/gear/2012/09/gear-talk-wilsons-john-lyons-part-4/39435/#.UOCTzkko6M8
